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[Just A Bit Outside]

Recap of Friedman's interview with Donnie & Dhali. Not much new here.

Canucks

• The defence is definitely better; everyone knew the defence was a concern
• Lot of optimism that they’ll extend Marcus Pettersson and potential O’Connor
• Thought the Canucks looked faster
• New players were really excited to play for the Canucks

Moving Forward

• Thinks management wants to see how the team plays now
• Dialing back discussions on Pettersson; at the very least they know what the market for him is
• Going to try and re-sign M-Petey and O’Connor

Boeser

• Focused so much on Miller that “it took all the oxygen out of the front office”
• Can now look at what they want to do with Boeser
• Don’t have to rush with Boeser because he’s not part of the 4 Nations tournament

Their Own First Round Pick

• Rumours on Saturday and Sunday that the Canucks were looking to move their own 1st but Canucks have indicated that they aren’t keen on trading it since they aren’t a playoff team right now
• Have time to figure out how good they are

Noise in the Market

• Thinks it will simmer down now
• Miller didn’t specifically ask for a trade but everyone knew that was the best option
• Number one thing they had to do is done and now have time to sort everything else out
• Want to let the team breathe
• Lots of moving parts: Boeser, Lankinen, Marcus Pettersson, & O’Connor
• Want to see how the Canucks react to these trades

Miller Benching

• Heard different things after the game against Nashville
• Can’t confirm what happened that day and won’t guess
• Was decided between the team, player, and his representative that it was time to move on

Trade, re-sign, re-sign, re-sign

 

[Nuckles]

There will obviously be increases but I don't see where a guy will go from being a $5.5 million player to a $7.5 million player in one offseason. That's nearly a 40% increase.

I'll be stunned if he gets more than $7 million.

With all the teams desperate for good top 4 D, and the fact he'll only be 29 and can play big minutes reliably, I would be surprised if he gets less than 7M considering every team is getting an additional 8M in cap space. (and additional big bumps the following years)

Is it ridiculous? Absolutely. But teams were already throwing around stupid contracts in free agency with a fairly flat cap.

man you guys are aggressive, that's Skjei money. I am not sure he is the comparable.

It's not comparable. Skjei wasn't signed after an 8M bump in the salary cap and everyone knowing the cap will continue rising roughly 8M a year for the following two years and possibly beyond.

Also last off-season was an abnormally strong free agent D class. There are a number of guys who are set to be UFAs this season as well but I imagine most of the top guys will get locked up.

 

[Peen]

my interpretation of that deal is now Fernstrom was for O’Connor & the 1st was for Pettersson + the cost of dumping the contracts.

Let’s see what they can do with their assets.. buy low on one F and then go for one premier player.

 

[MS]

With all the teams desperate for good top 4 D, and the fact he'll only be 29 and can play big minutes reliably, I would be surprised if he gets less than 7M considering every team is getting an additional 8M in cap space. (and additional big bumps the following years)

Is it ridiculous? Absolutely. But teams were already throwing around stupid contracts in free agency with a fairly flat cap.


It's not comparable. Skjei wasn't signed after an 8M bump in the salary cap and everyone knowing the cap will continue rising roughly 8M a year for the following two years and possibly beyond.

Also last off-season was an abnormally strong free agent D class. There are a number of guys who are set to be UFAs this season as well but I imagine most of the top guys will get locked up.

I simply do not see a 10% bump in cap causing a 40% increase in contract AAV from last summer.

We will see.

 

[thecupismine]

Yeah, exactly.

Assuming MP signs, there is literally zero reason for the team to keep Soucy when you could fill that spot with EP2 at $2.5 million less plus retain Forbort at $1.5 or less as the 7D.

He doesn't fit anymore. And I like Soucy, liked that signing ... but he's become a miscast piece. He's currently the 4th-best LD we have, and maybe the 5th-best the way EP2 is going.

It will also be interesting to see what happens with the rookie defenders. Competing teams virtually never will put two rookie D in their top 6. Creates all kinds of matchup issues, PK issues, etc.

I'd assumed that Willander would walk straight into that 3RD spot which is now *wide* open with the trade of Desharnais and the hapless Juulsen currently playing the role. And that made perfect sense - the other two guys (Myers & Hronek) can PK, put Willander with a reliable partner, and you're sorted. I didn't think any of the other prospect D were really going to be in the mix for next year. But now EP2 is overtly in the mix for next year and might be closer than Willander actually. How does that work? You can't put a two-rookie third pairing on the ice. You don't really want rookies on the ice >50% of the time. Can EP2 PK at the NHL level right away, or does Hughes get forced back into that role?

I know its rare, but I would not be surprised if they bit the bullet and did it anyways next year with the hope it accelerates the team's position in the last year of Hughes' contract. Also would fully expect those two to rotate in as PK #4 behind Hronek, Myers, and Petterson.

In that scenario, I'd expect them to sign a guy like Forbert in the 6/7 spot as they rotate out the rookies if they look out of place for a couple games.

They could also start Willander next year in the AHL, and he ends up playing the whole season up here anyways like Edler did in 2007/2008 because of the inevitable injuries that hit the blueline.

 

[Jerry the great]

I simply do not see a 10% bump in cap causing a 40% increase in contract AAV from last summer.

We will see.

I kind of doubt we see a seven too, but it wasn't just a 10% cap bump; they guided to future growth as well and that will cause people to get aggressive IMO.

Plus his agent knows we have to do the extension to soften the blow on moving Miller....Kind of like the extension we gave Luongo after we traded for him.

 

[wonton15]

Anything under 7 would be a great deal to solidify our top 4 for the next 5 years. Wouldnt be mad if it hit ~7.25.

 

[dez]

Skjei was a 40 point Dman when signed, MPetey has only hit 30 once, he is seen as a defensive-dman. Pesce and Roy were at 5.5 and 5.75, they are premium positions being Right Shot Defenseman. Let's say you negotiate with him as a self describe 2 way dman, at 5.5m or 6.25% of cap is around 6.25M per year.

 

[bob77]

They can go sign MP3 now, but the notion that he’ll have great chemistry and fit here remains to be seen. He’s coming from a free wheeling Penguins team, with guys like Crosby, Letang, Carlson , and a few other F that tend to finish cleanly, and higher scoring games and Losses, and points rack up OVER to a Canucks environment where a lot of pressure is on D to never surrender a goal because we will be lucky to get 3 in any game. It can change a player’s perspective of things. And their effectiveness to the new environment…. So….

 

[pitseleh]

I simply do not see a 10% bump in cap causing a 40% increase in contract AAV from last summer.

We will see.

I think 40% is probably high but the cap is going up 30% within two more seasons and the defense market isn’t likely to be as robust this year as it was last year. Plus they probably know they can eke out an extra $100-200k from the Canucks given their leverage.

I’m expecting something in the 6.75-7 range.

 

[MS]

I think 40% is probably high but the cap is going up 30% within two more seasons and the defense market isn’t likely to be as robust this year as it was last year. Plus they probably know they can eke out an extra $100-200k from the Canucks given their leverage.

I’m expecting something in the 6.75-7 range.

I wouldn't be shocked if it's in the $6.5 million range (which would be a 20% increase over comparable players from last year) but, again, I'd be stunned if it got to $7 million.

 

[timw33]

I kind of doubt we see a seven too, but it wasn't just a 10% cap bump; they guided to future growth as well and that will cause people to get aggressive IMO.

Plus his agent knows we have to do the extension to soften the blow on moving Miller....Kind of like the extension we gave Luongo after we traded for him.

While this is true, on the other hand M-Pettersson has seen countrymen Klingberg turn down 7MM x 8 years and Lindholm turn down a rumoured 9MM x 7 from the Flames.

If he feels theres a good long term fit for him personally and professionally, and a fair contract offer is tendered he will sign. I don't see them strong arming leverage to eke out an extra 500k a year when he could blow out a knee tomorrow.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I simply do not see a 10% bump in cap causing a 40% increase in contract AAV from last summer.

We will see.

the new number depends on whether they negotiate on the three year average estimate or strictly next year's cap. it's a 20% increase if you go by average.

pettersson has 3d numbers other than offence which is solid 4d.

$6m was the going rate for a 22 minute 29 year old all rounder ufa 3d in his 20s 5 years ago.

it would be nice to stay under 7 but i think that's the floor number.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I'm fine with MP at 6-7 years at around $6.5m per, seems like fair market value, or even slightly above, and our LSD will be very solid (actually became a strength along with the emergence of DPetey and a couple other prospects).

I'm curious what it will take to re-sign DoC? I was always a fan, and he brings some attributes we sorely need (size, speed, PK utility). I would give him Heinen's cap hit at $2.25m, but I'm not sure that is enough? I don't really want to spend too much on a bottom 6 winger though.

 

[thefutures]

6 or under

 

[VanJack]

I'm fine with MP at 6-7 years at around $6.5m per, seems like fair market value, or even slightly above, and our LSD will be very solid (actually became a strength along with the emergence of DPetey and a couple other prospects).

I'm curious what it will take to re-sign DoC? I was always a fan, and he brings some attributes we sorely need (size, speed, PK utility). I would give him Heinen's cap hit at $2.25m, but I'm not sure that is enough? I don't really want to spend too much on a bottom 6 winger though.

Canucks Army speculating that the Canucks and Marcus Pettersson are zeroing in on an extension. Clearly Rutherford and Allvin have been targeting this guy for some time.

But what does it mean for Soucy? My feeling is, he won't survive the TDL. There was a reason why they didn't send D-Petey back down. They could be seriously auditioning him for the rest of the season as a cheaper, and more effective, left-side d-man.

 

[Canucks LB]

6x5 would be a nice deal

 

[ahmon]

I like Marcus Pettersson a lot, but he's more of a very good defensive defenseman, ideally on your 2nd pair.

If he's making 7M thats too much.

Gustav Forsling won the cup with Panthers as a top pairing guy leading. And is making cap wise 5.75M until forever.

If we keep overpaying players 2 million each we never win the cup

 

[Jerry the great]

While this is true, on the other hand M-Pettersson has seen countrymen Klingberg turn down 7MM x 8 years and Lindholm turn down a rumoured 9MM x 7 from the Flames.

If he feels theres a good long term fit for him personally and professionally, and a fair contract offer is tendered he will sign. I don't see them strong arming leverage to eke out an extra 500k a year when he could blow out a knee tomorrow.

There is plenty of incentive by both parties to get a deal done and i think it will happen reasonably quickly. I'm guessing $6.25MM +/- 500k 7 years.

 

[rypper]

There was a reason why they didn't send D-Petey back down.

Yeah I know for cap reasons.

 

[theguardianII]

I think some of it is his tendonitis, but a lot of it is probably just systematic and mental. You could see it against Detroit; there are times Pettersson is just waiting for something to happen and is overthinking the play because Tocchet's system makes the game hard instead of easy. He was simply probably thinking less when he was in his rookie season and he's putting a lot more mental effort now into trying to make the highest % play in all situations, which leaves him flat-footed.

And a much worse player

 

[dez]

I like Marcus Pettersson a lot, but he's more of a very good defensive defenseman, ideally on your 2nd pair.

If he's making 7M thats too much.

Gustav Forsling won the cup with Panthers as a top pairing guy leading. And is making cap wise 5.75M until forever.

If we keep overpaying players 2 million each we never win the cup

5.75M then is 6.5-7M today.

 

[Wisp]

If you believe the internet rumors, he got into a physical altercation (or attempted to) with a member of the coaching staff.

No way to know it's true unless someone involved comes out and says so, but that'll likely never happen. So read my post and then here comes the choo-choo train of a major grain of salt to take with it.

Heard similar things with heaping table spoons of salt also offered, that it was with the video staff & was sparked by his defensive gaffs in Nashville getting highlighted. his absence actually being an internal suspension makes sense and lines up with Patrik's "ensure everyone feel safe comments."

 

[Canucks LB]

I like Marcus Pettersson a lot, but he's more of a very good defensive defenseman, ideally on your 2nd pair.

If he's making 7M thats too much.

Gustav Forsling won the cup with Panthers as a top pairing guy leading. And is making cap wise 5.75M until forever.

If we keep overpaying players 2 million each we never win the cup

Cap is changing, the world is changing.
7m is basically 4.5m in 3 years

Forsling got signed for that amount because also the tax situation in florida, and they are a cup winner.

Forsling in edmonton for example would get over 7m quite easily

 

[dez]

Funny, Sat is saying don’t be surprised if MPeteys number hits 5M that seems low, is he way off or is MPetey not worth as much as we think.