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Canucks’ Own First Round Pick
  • Were rumours that they were going to trade their own first round pick
  • One team asked them about it and were told that the Canucks are not thrilled about the idea of trading it
  • Thinks they are only willing to do it if it’s really worthwhile

There was a lot of talk around the M Pettersson trade that we should have kept the NYR pick and traded ours, and I initially thought they're reserving the right to sell off at the deadline and reload for next season, making ours more valuable.

Teams usually like to have their own picks in order to retain flexibility for offersheets (or threats of), but any offersheet pick would be 2026 at this point in the year, wouldn't it?
 
Canucks’ Own First Round Pick
  • Were rumours that they were going to trade their own first round pick
  • One team asked them about it and were told that the Canucks are not thrilled about the idea of trading it
  • Thinks they are only willing to do it if it’s really worthwhile
No. In what world is this group good enough to take on Vegas or the Oilers if they have 8 mil extra in cap space and FA's wanting to play with the best in the world? Or a team that goes all out to get the best players?
Just don't trade our first.

If anything, sell at the TDL to acquire more assets.

Gives flexibility at the Draft to do more.
With the structure of the division a reset taking 3 to 5 years to cup contention but making the playoffs a couple of times can be done IMO.
If JR makes such a trade he should be fired on the spot.
Geez, what do you think a GM does? FYI that's Allvin and his 3 assistants, not JR. He was the GM for about three minutes then Allvin was given the job. ALLVIN
Would be nice, but Hughes is 2 years away from getting a fortune. Can this team really carry 3 guys for nearly $40M?
And what if Rantenen signs with the Oilers? Vegas?
In 3 years Hughes is playing for a cup in Jersey.

If winning means anything to players then when finally given a choice why would they want to be under a microscope with a frustrated fan base?

Retiring FAs might not mind and RFAs won't have a choice. So RFA's growing into a real good team will encourage re-signing but there is no incentive now. Just the Benning over paying bottom six players and hoping there is a player that has been smothered and then probably short termed.

With this huge cap increase the player are creeping closer to NBA type moves, right now restricted by CBA rules but once reaching FA there is enough money to go where they want to. Most top players will have generational wealth so money might not have as much incentive as pleasing the family or their own game goals of a cup.
 
So Miller took a leave of absence because he got benched during the game against Nashville. Wow. A month away because your ego taken a bit of a hit. That's ridiculous and no better than coming to camp out of shape. Seems like Pettersson and Miller need to take a longer look in the mirror.
 
So Miller took a leave of absence because he got benched during the game against Nashville. Wow. A month away because your ego taken a bit of a hit. That's ridiculous and no better than coming to camp out of shape. Seems like Pettersson and Miller need to take a longer look in the mirror.
who said that?
 
So Miller took a leave of absence because he got benched during the game against Nashville. Wow. A month away because your ego taken a bit of a hit. That's ridiculous and no better than coming to camp out of shape. Seems like Pettersson and Miller need to take a longer look in the mirror.

I don't think it's as simple as "he was benched and then went on leave".

Something occurred after the benching. What it was, we'll likely never know, or won't know for a long time.
 
So Miller took a leave of absence because he got benched during the game against Nashville. Wow. A month away because your ego taken a bit of a hit. That's ridiculous and no better than coming to camp out of shape. Seems like Pettersson and Miller need to take a longer look in the mirror.

I'm not a JT fan because of the bullying but even I feel there must be more to the story than that. That would take unprofessionalism to a whole new level.
 
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Value in the M.Pettersson deal starting to look pretty good to me. So hard to get reliable top-4D these days.

In context, Value in totality from both deals was great, only a matter of time before most catch up.

Gdt & pgt was very entertaining reading just how many ppl had clearly never watched chytil or MP3 before freaking out in the trade threads.

Won the trades easily if chytil can stay healthy..
 


Value in the M.Pettersson deal starting to look pretty good to me. So hard to get reliable top-4D these days.


It seems like a good fit from both sides so gives everyone incentive to be reasonable. I've pencilled in the same contract as Hronek.
 
I don't think you need a Rantanen per se. That's a lot of money tied up for a pair of players who may or may not find chemistry. That said, I agree that Petey needs a certain combination of wingers to maximize his effectiveness. Under Tocchet, he needs a puck retrieval guy and a finisher that facilitates the cycle if you want him to play a dump and chase possession game. But, as he's shown with his breakout season with Kuzmenko, he's more effective as an east-west set-up man/finisher off the rush.

If Tocchet doesn't come back next season, the new coach will likely open things up a bit for more offense (I say likely, because Tocchet's all the way in the other extreme with protecting GOTI and limiting odd man rushes the other way). In that scenario, you need a winger with speed that can give and go through the neutral zone with Petey and gain the blueline with speed and options. Rantanen can do that, but it's overkill. There are other complementary wingers with speed out there. Kevin Fiala, for instance would an option and would come far cheaper - Maybe Brock + 1st for Fiala at TDL? It gives the Kings a finisher, cap flexibility and Brock probably fits their possession offense better than Fiala.

As for the third wheel, we have a number of options. DeBrusk, Hoglander, Sherwood. None are elite, but I think that's probably fine to round out the line.
I'd love Fiala, that's exactly the kind of player we need and would pair well with Pettersson. Great post in general, I agree with your thought process 100%
 
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Given the acquisition of Marcus Pettersson and the shockingly impressive play from EP2, you really have to think Soucy's days here are numbered.

You've now got Hughes-Pettersson playing 45-50 minutes/game on LHD and we don't need a $3.2 million 3LD, much less one who hasn't played well this season. EP2 seems like a pretty natural fit to slide into that slot on an ELC plus they can also bring back Forbort - who has also outplayed Soucy this year - as the 7D for $1.5 million or less.

Only real question to me is whether they ask him to waive before the deadline or whether he's moved in the summer when it switches from a full NTC to a 12-team NTC.
 
A scout pointed out that EP 40 is over 10% slower now than 3/4 years ago and slowing every year. That his fastest spurts for each year are slower. Weight gain? Knee damage? Something worse?
I think some of it is his tendonitis, but a lot of it is probably just systematic and mental. You could see it against Detroit; there are times Pettersson is just waiting for something to happen and is overthinking the play because Tocchet's system makes the game hard instead of easy. He was simply probably thinking less when he was in his rookie season and he's putting a lot more mental effort now into trying to make the highest % play in all situations, which leaves him flat-footed.
 
I don't think it's as simple as "he was benched and then went on leave".

Something occurred after the benching. What it was, we'll likely never know, or won't know for a long time.
If you believe the internet rumors, he got into a physical altercation (or attempted to) with a member of the coaching staff.

No way to know it's true unless someone involved comes out and says so, but that'll likely never happen. So read my post and then here comes the choo-choo train of a major grain of salt to take with it.
 
Friedman.
no, he did not. He said the LOA happened after that game (and said he'd heard multiple different versions of what happened post game), but it's hardly as if getting benched in isolation caused this. And the idea this was ego driven is comical.


He took (was given?) a LOA for all of the shit that led up to the moment he snapped.
 
“It’s my job to create an environment where the players feel safe,"

This is a wild Allvin quote from the press conference we kind of glossed over. Were player(s) feeling unsafe?


Zegras is buddies with Hughes isn't he.

I can't f***ing stand Zegras.
 
There was a lot of talk around the M Pettersson trade that we should have kept the NYR pick and traded ours, and I initially thought they're reserving the right to sell off at the deadline and reload for next season, making ours more valuable.

Teams usually like to have their own picks in order to retain flexibility for offersheets (or threats of), but any offersheet pick would be 2026 at this point in the year, wouldn't it?

Yes and we don't have our 2026 3rd round pick, which means we wouldn't have the picks to offer a salary of anywhere between about $5m and $12m.
 
Given the acquisition of Marcus Pettersson and the shockingly impressive play from EP2, you really have to think Soucy's days here are numbered.

You've now got Hughes-Pettersson playing 45-50 minutes/game on LHD and we don't need a $3.2 million 3LD, much less one who hasn't played well this season. EP2 seems like a pretty natural fit to slide into that slot on an ELC plus they can also bring back Forbort - who has also outplayed Soucy this year - as the 7D for $1.5 million or less.

Only real question to me is whether they ask him to waive before the deadline or whether he's moved in the summer when it switches from a full NTC to a 12-team NTC.
You'd have to imagine healthy scratches are going to make him far more likely to waive whether it's trade deadline, draft or july 1 (his 12 team NTC). Would have to guess management keeps him for the playoff run and would be more willing to trade him at the draft/july 1.
 
Thinking more about Utah, wonder if they’d look at moving Mattias Maccelli? He’s down to 10th amongst their forwards in TOI/g.

The Canucks can probably cobble together enough to largely replace Miller’s ES contributions, but his elite playmaking on the PP will be sorely missed. Amongst forwards with 300+ PP minutes since 22/23, Miller is third in primary assists/60 behind only McDavid and Kucherov.

The top players in that regard are basically elite offensive talent (including Marner and Ehlers) plus Maccelli who is at 10th, (basically tied with Kaprizov for 9th). He’s also getting PDO’d hard this year with a 40% GF% on a 50% xGF / 53% CF share.

Not sure if you could pry him out for Boeser plus something (assuming they’re interested in him as a long term fit).

Really like Macelli as a buy-low candidate. He's really skilled.

I wonder what it would take to pry Jack Quinn out of Buffalo.
 
I think what Pettersson needs is, other than just improving his own play (It's getting there), is a dynamic, skilled, play-driving winger to open up the ice for him and a good aggressive puck retrieval guy on the other side. The lotto line was so good because it had this dynamic to some degree, and the DeBrusk-Pettersson-Boeser line is so bad because it's totally missing it. Boeser is a decent two way jack of all trades finisher that's okay in puck battles and retrieval, but he really just doesn't skate well enough and isn't nearly skilled enough to drive play.

It's odd because we've consistently seen Pettersson be very reliant on chemistry with his wingers and yet the team just totally struggles to either recognize this or land on a consistent model for providing that to him. Sure, in an ideal world you want your franchise C to elevate any winger they play with and to drive play all by themselves like a McDavid or a Crosby, but Pettersson isn't that, and that's fine. He's a supremely skilled, cerebreal 2-way center that relies on similarly skilled and cerebral wingers to, ultimately, put up extremely good numbers and get obscenely good advanced stats. He can be a top 5 C in the league when activated like this, and that's not a weakness for him as a player, it's a necessary consideration management needs to make when constructing the roster.

This is a player that thrived with Kuzmenko and even Goldobin in his rookie year, and neither of those players are nearly as good as a DeBrusk or Boeser, but it's obvious that Pettersson was far better when playing with players like them. Other than just doing the obvious shit with the personnel they already have like playing him with Karlsson/Hoglander/Sherwood/O'Connor, they should REALLY be looking at throwing 13-15m at Rantanen/Marner/etc. or targetting Barzal. After it being a rotting fish market for ages, ur top 6 D is finally solved for the next 5 years: it's time to splurge with the rising cap on a true upper echelon playdriver to unlock Pettersson.

Yup. I've been feeling this way for a long time. We should stop the bitching about Petey driving play and just get a highly skilled guy to play on the first line. He's mostly had a revolving door of crap to play with. We've seen him at his best which is incredible. We need him to get back there to keep this team moving forward.
 
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You'd have to imagine healthy scratches are going to make him far more likely to waive whether it's trade deadline, draft or july 1 (his 12 team NTC). Would have to guess management keeps him for the playoff run and would be more willing to trade him at the draft/july 1.

It will be interesting.

Right now you have Hughes-Pettersson-Forbort at LHD who are clearly ahead of Soucy (as much as Pettersson probably deserves to play in some fashion, I'm not expecting it until next year) so either Soucy is going to have to switch to LD in Juulsen's spot, which is something the coaching staff has been loath to do, or he's going to be sitting.
 
In context, Value in totality from both deals was great, only a matter of time before most catch up.

Gdt & pgt was very entertaining reading just how many ppl had clearly never watched chytil or MP3 before freaking out in the trade threads.

Won the trades easily if chytil can stay healthy..
That's a big if but I agree. Watching the new guys relieved alot of stress for me.
 

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