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[sandwichbird2023]

Lots of talk about Soucy, NTC changes to a 12 team next year. I could really see him start to play better now that he slides down a spot. Some guys just don’t play well when they elevate. Also, Forbort is a UFA and initially I was all for trading Soucy but you can’t trade everyone.

Keep Soucy, hope he bounces back and trade him next year when he has value.

Send Forbort to the moon though, maybe you get a 4th or B prospect?

Suter is tricky, such a hole a centre right now. Keep or trade? He has 15 goals? Probably has a ton of a value because he’s also cheap. I would trade him, he’s not a long term solution and you can find a 3/4 C in the off season. Probably snag a really good prospect or a 2nd.

Lankinen im resigning all day. Between not trusting Silovs and Demko injury issues he’s become a vital piece. Give him 3 year x 3.75. With the cap increase it’s reasonable.

Saved Boeser for last, keep or trade? Trade. This core hasn’t done anything. Boeser is a knack for scoring but it very slow. Has no edge and there’s just too many slow and soft players. The mix needs to change.

A sleeper team for Boeser I think could be Vegas. They are right against the cap so Vancouver would need to retain. They don’t have a 1st until 2027 but we know this team hates draft picks anyway.

Nick Roy is the guy I’m targeting. They have lots of in house options to replace him. He’s big and fast.

Roy and a 2nd for Boeser (50% retention) and Forbort.

I just hope Allvin doesn’t stop and just adds for the playoffs, this team needs a strong message sent to them.

Can't really see the team selling right now, since they traded JTM for "now pieces", they clearly still have the playoff as their goal. Unless they are far out of it by the TDL, I see them holding onto all their pending UFAs as self-rental. We are only really battling the Flames at this point for the final WC spot, so most likely we will be in the mix come the TDL. We might even be buyers.

I rather flip Boeser and Suter for picks, then use them to acquire long term pieces, but those are complicated to pull off so I'm not sure the opportunities will be there, especially dealing with a tight timeline. I see them holding on to BB6 and Suter and walk them to UFA. Unless their contract demand are reasonable, which seems unlikely given the rising cap and the scarcity of quality players.

 

[Vector]

Can we amplify this somehow, I've seen it repeated everywhere.

It’s driving me insane.

 

[Brookbank]

As Drance was saying the other day, Rutherford likes star players and always goes after them. Make no mistake, they are big game hunting with this cap space.

Is Barzal happy at the Islanders ? Remember his "there's nobody f**king here" comment recently ?

Who is out there as far as star players goes in the last couple years of their deals ?

 

[Canucker]

Cozens, Jack Quinn and a pick...good ages, good pedigree, fill needs.

 

[Brookbank]

Seravalli never said this. It keeps getting repeated. It was a troll post on Twitter. The quote was entirely made up.

It was red meat for the doomer Canucks fans and red meat for the wishcasting haters who also ran with it.

It didn't help that Rutherford brought up Hughs and how he wants to win now. The haters think a complete implosion is in the cards.

 

[dbaz]

id target sillinger.
im assuming it would be revolving around boeser.

soucy should be traded, see if you can get him to waive the nmc or when the 12 team kicks in.
d-petey and willander in the lineup for as long as possible for the rest of the year

still leaves cap for a big acquisition if it comes a long

 

[theguardianII]

Linden, Bure, Sedins, Demko, Boeser, Pettersson, Hughes and other top Canucks where did they come from?

Why build for one year at a time when the core stays the same essentially?

I am not saying tank but start fresh.

It can be done quickly and with little pain, well the results will not be too much worse than the last 8 years.

I am sure that Hughes will get the #1 or the best forward or multiple top 10 picks in 2026.
Sort of tank talk but IF management did move on from the stale core and concentrated on next year's draft and they did a Tampa, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Toronto and had a down year they could have their own top 5 pick and one or two more top 1 - 10 from trades. They could have 4 NHL players in one draft, top in that tier group. Combined with this year, possibly 5 or 6 by the end of next year.

Look around at other teams, with the big cap increase Edmonton isn't going to suddenly drop, Vegas will do what Vegas does only on steroids, LA is still a preferred destination, you get the idea. Unless the Canucks can prepare to compete in 3 /4 years they aren't putting bandaids on and passing some of these teams as they are or by trying to hold on to nostalgia

 

[Nucker101]

Barzal

 

[arttk]

I don't see why St. Louis would trade Thomas. If anything, they want to add to him.

Rather look to acquire Dvorsky in a package.

They could be willing to give him up to have EP and Thomas down the middle LT.

St Louis is in a state of absolute denial about where they are which is expected, they are a team that has not rebuilt since like 20+ years ago.

 

[Vector]

Miller Trade

• A small group of players got together in Florida and asked Miller & Petterson to fix their relationship; nothing improved afterwards
• Has been told different version of events about what happened after

Miller was benched against Nashville that lead to his leave of absence

• Things did not get better after Miller returned
• Rangers were always the preferred destination
• Original trade was Chytil, prospect, and a draft pick
• Had heard that the issue was retention but Allvin said at his press conference that retention was never discussed; this conflicts with what Friedman has been told
• Had also heard that the prospect the Canucks originally asked for was
• an unsigned defencemen; Arthur Staple’s article, in The Athletic, mentions Drew Fortescue and Friedman believes this was the prospect

Chytil

• Needed a change of fresh start as well
• Whatever was bothering him was not as simple as everyone was assuming

Pettersson & O’Connor Trade

• Canucks will try to re-sign them and lots of league speculation that they will be able to do it
• Mutual interest in getting extensions done
• Will be interesting to see if Penguins keep the draft pick or trade it for a young player

Elias Pettersson, Forward

• Want to calm down the noise and give him some runway

Hughes

• Rumours on Thursday/Friday that he was going to pull out of 4 Nations and was told that wasn’t the case
• Then got injured against Dallas and will now become a conversation

Canucks’ Own First Round Pick

• Were rumours that they were going to trade their own first round pick
• One team asked them about it and were told that the Canucks are not thrilled about the idea of trading it
• Thinks they are only willing to do it if it’s really worthwhile

 

[LemonSauceD]

We probably won’t know what really was the issue between Miller and Pettersson until probably many years later.

 

[oceanchild]

I'm not against it but I get the feeling that he defense is done and the focus has shifted to top 6 forwards.

I think we are in a refresh situation and I don’t know that this is our year. I am also not sure that Boeser isn’t going to cost a ton to sign and makes sense in the long term. We need this team to be legit on Hughes timeline for signing. If we got Nemec as an example with what we have on the right side, we have now multiple assets that can develop into stars after the NYR trade and if we sign M Pettersson we are good on the left side both short term and hopefully medium to long term with D Petty. All to say, that I believe personally you build from the back out, and we need to figure out how to have a stud D group. Winger come available in the market, centers and RHD rarely do and cost a premium. If you can get a couple with upside it becomes a game of probabilities and I feel like the best anyone can do to win is to stack the probabilities in their favor and hope the hockey gods bless them with luck

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Just don't trade our first.

If anything, sell at the TDL to acquire more assets.

Gives flexibility at the Draft to do more.

 

[ExarKun80]

Right now, Forsberg is a better player than EP.

I also really like Svechkov.

Plus the team saves $3M annually vs the Cap to be used elsewhere.

If JR makes such a trade he should be fired on the spot.

 

[brock hughes007]

id target sillinger.
im assuming it would be revolving around boeser.

soucy should be traded, see if you can get him to waive the nmc or when the 12 team kicks in.
d-petey and willander in the lineup for as long as possible for the rest of the year

still leaves cap for a big acquisition if it comes a long

OK so do you like Juulsen. Because I'm telling you right now ,if you move Soucy,Rick Tocchet will play Juulsen more over D Petey and Willander that's 100 percent given.Everyone in the world can see how shitty a player he is but Tocchet just plays this guy like crazy.That love affair needs to stop.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I wonder if Detroit would be interested in Boeser. They look to be making a playoff push. But I have no clue what Yzerman’s MO is because he really is one of the most confusing GM’s in the league.

If you can get a 1st + mid prospect or a package of Rasmussen, Soderblom, and a 2nd, I would do it.

Rasmussen moves into the 3C spot/we get a hometown big center down the middle and a 23y/o 6’8 250lbs behemoth forward with skill.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I wonder if Detroit would be interested in Boeser. They look to be making a playoff push. But I have no clue what Yzerman’s MO is because he really is one of the most confusing GM’s in the league.

If you can get a 1st + mid prospect or a package of Rasmussen, Soderblom, and a 2nd, I would do it.

They wouldn't likely do it but I'd want Kasper.

 

[oceanchild]

Lots of talk about Soucy, NTC changes to a 12 team next year. I could really see him start to play better now that he slides down a spot. Some guys just don’t play well when they elevate. Also, Forbort is a UFA and initially I was all for trading Soucy but you can’t trade everyone.

Keep Soucy, hope he bounces back and trade him next year when he has value.

Send Forbort to the moon though, maybe you get a 4th or B prospect?

Suter is tricky, such a hole a centre right now. Keep or trade? He has 15 goals? Probably has a ton of a value because he’s also cheap. I would trade him, he’s not a long term solution and you can find a 3/4 C in the off season. Probably snag a really good prospect or a 2nd.

Lankinen im resigning all day. Between not trusting Silovs and Demko injury issues he’s become a vital piece. Give him 3 year x 3.75. With the cap increase it’s reasonable.

Saved Boeser for last, keep or trade? Trade. This core hasn’t done anything. Boeser is a knack for scoring but it very slow. Has no edge and there’s just too many slow and soft players. The mix needs to change.

A sleeper team for Boeser I think could be Vegas. They are right against the cap so Vancouver would need to retain. They don’t have a 1st until 2027 but we know this team hates draft picks anyway.

Nick Roy is the guy I’m targeting. They have lots of in house options to replace him. He’s big and fast.

Roy and a 2nd for Boeser (50% retention) and Forbort.

I just hope Allvin doesn’t stop and just adds for the playoffs, this team needs a strong message sent to them.

I hope we trade Suter and Boeser and resign the two penguins. I don’t know how you trade EP now as I would think you would want a young centre back and that leaves us with no one that is experiances enough to be our first line Center. I would love Fantilli as a return but then who protects him. It makes sense for a refresh to me and I know we traded a valuable first already, but we now have some meaningful cap space and some good players are free agents this summer. Let’s get some draft capital and young players in and then sign one or two free agents to fill out the roster. I am scared of what contracts will look like and that teams will all have money this summer due to the increase as well as having knowledge of how much it will grow over the next 3 years.

I would still like Andersson out of Calgary if we can shuffle the deck as an alternative to Nemec but I think (as I did before last years outlier year) that we need to go a bit younger now to make sure we have the depth during Hughes prime.

If he isn’t already viewed as the best player in Canucks history, he is well on track to be that now.

 

[LemonSauceD]

They wouldn't likely do it but I'd want Kasper.

Probably expendable but Detroit fans like him. Tbh I don’t see a succession path for him with Larkin still in his prime and Danielsson who is the bigger and faster player. I thought about Kasper but Yzerman likes to hoard his draft selections.

 

[Lindgren]

We probably won’t know what really was the issue between Miller and Pettersson until probably many years later.

If we expect something concrete, my guess, only a guess (like everybody else's thoughts), is that we'll be disappointed. There may well be certain points when things became overt, but my speculation is that the issue couldn't be resolved because it was a matter of a deep personality clash, not s specific behaviour that could be addressed directly.

I like Pettersson as a player, but I've been uncertain about his future in this market from the beginning. He bristled right away when asked a simple question or two about his weight. It was time for PR to step in and give him some emphatic guidance: just answer the question—short, clear, specific.

"I weighed 168 pounds when I was drafted. I now weigh 176."
"Are you concerned about being able to endure the phyiscality of the NHL?"
"I'm confident in my abilities. Of course I'll work hard to get stronger."

He still seems to take perfectly reasonable and predictable questions as insults. Put that together with a guy who, I'm guessing again, has difficulty being anything other than a tactless loudmouth. It's never going to work.

 

[Hansen]

I wonder if Detroit would be interested in Boeser. They look to be making a playoff push. But I have no clue what Yzerman’s MO is because he really is one of the most confusing GM’s in the league.

If you can get a 1st + mid prospect or a package of Rasmussen, Soderblom, and a 2nd, I would do it.

Rasmussen moves into the 3C spot/we get a hometown big center down the middle and a 23y/o 6’8 250lbs behemoth forward with skill.

I want Rasmussen on this team badly

 

[ChilliBilly]

I guess the Av's figured that with cap going up, Rantanen wouldn't re-sign for anything less that $14m a season.

But if there's even a remote chance that Carolina won't buck up to re-sign him, then the Canucks should back up the Brinks truck to his door. Adding Rantanen, would make Canuck fans still pining for the departure of Miller, forget about their pain in a hurry. He's that good.

Would be nice, but Hughes is 2 years away from getting a fortune. Can this team really carry 3 guys for nearly $40M?

 

[pitseleh]

I don't see them moving Hayton unless it's in a package for an upgrade (IE. Pettersson) given his age, contract, and the team's current expectations.

Even Crouse, I doubt they have much interest in moving him unless Boeser is going the other way (obviously they add). Same reasons as Hayton, they're probably fine holding on to him next season hoping he rebounds unless they get a good piece in return.

Thinking more about Utah, wonder if they’d look at moving Mattias Maccelli? He’s down to 10th amongst their forwards in TOI/g.

The Canucks can probably cobble together enough to largely replace Miller’s ES contributions, but his elite playmaking on the PP will be sorely missed. Amongst forwards with 300+ PP minutes since 22/23, Miller is third in primary assists/60 behind only McDavid and Kucherov.

The top players in that regard are basically elite offensive talent (including Marner and Ehlers) plus Maccelli who is at 10th, (basically tied with Kaprizov for 9th). He’s also getting PDO’d hard this year with a 40% GF% on a 50% xGF / 53% CF share.

Not sure if you could pry him out for Boeser plus something (assuming they’re interested in him as a long term fit).

 

[Hyzer]

Would be nice, but Hughes is 2 years away from getting a fortune. Can this team really carry 3 guys for nearly $40M?

Depends, are they actual play drivers? If the 40M is taken up by players who literally can't even drive their own line, then definitely not. But if you have 3 players that make that much and make legitimate and dangerous moves every time they step on the ice, then it's not even a question - its worth it 100% of the time, IMO.

 

[dez]

Random thought, in the perspective of the team, what is the benefit of the 8th year when agents just go out into free agency and still get the same total money with 7 years. Rantanen's 13-14m over 8 years will just become 15-16m over 7 years in free agency. It becomes more of incentive to leave the current team, rather than what is was designed for, to keep the player by giving him more money than he would get elsewhere.