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[Quinning]

What if we did something crazy like:

EP40
Willander/Kudryatsev
1st

for

Barzal
Dobson
2nd
Prospect

 

[Big zZz]

What if we did something crazy like:

EP40
Willander/Kudryatsev
1st

for

Barzal
Dobson
2nd
Prospect

I don't know if EP is worth barzal at his current cap hit.

Neither of those defenseman are worth Dobson currently.

Why a 1st for a 2nd and a prospect? What prospect?

 

[rypper]

What if we did something crazy like:

EP40
Willander/Kudryatsev
1st

for

Barzal
Dobson
2nd
Prospect

The defense starts to get pretty expensive.

Hughes - 7.85
Hronek - 7.25
Pettersson - 5.5
Dobson - RFA will get paid 7+

 

[Quinning]

I don't know if EP is worth barzal at his current cap hit.

Neither of those defenseman are worth Dobson currently.

Why a 1st for a 2nd and a prospect? What prospect?

Barzal has publicly bashed the attendance so there's a pretty good chance his value isn't what it should be either. Also had injury problems.

Dobson - might have me on that one, so just take out the 2nd and prospect. Would be closer value.

 

[sting101]

Important distinction.

You guys are high on nostalgia. Draisaitl is stylistically similar and scores 100-130 points playing with McDavid. You think Lemieux would score 2-3x as frequently? I could see 150-200 but no player in any pro sport is that dominant.

The only way someone would score 300 points is if you took current McDavid and teleported him back to the 80s/early 90s with the benefit of all of his current training and equipment. His skating + puck handling package would make him basically untouchable and he’d be able to routinely score from outside the blue line due to the quality of goaltending at the time.

i was with you to the last sentence.....that's a hard nah

 

[Quinning]

The defense starts to get pretty expensive.

Hughes - 7.85
Hronek - 7.25
Pettersson - 5.5
Dobson - RFA will get paid 7+

I hear you but man...that is the best top 4 in the NHL. You could just run ELCs on the bottom pairing or cheap 1 year journeymen.

 

[krutovsdonut]

you can go 22 deep on the trade board without hitting a canuck rumour or discussion. 17 if you count the doc to edmonton discussion.

it's a good day.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Man watching EP40 right now is painful.
I’m of the view though that he will come around. I can’t recall another top center who fell off a cliff at so young an age absent a debilitating injury.
Not sure what the issue is. Maybe part mental and part physical but I don’t think it’s laziness. This is a guy who made massive strides every off season since entering the NHL. I remember when he first came up and had a muffin shot and then came back the next season with a howitzer. That’s a lot of hard work to achieve. His physical play and defensive play have also improved over the years.
I’m reasonably confident he will come around but I do think management and the coaches are starting to lose patience. I hope that they give him the off season to train regardless of his no trade kicking in.
I just don’t see how we can replace his talent at this point and after losing Miller it’s too big a hole.

 

[iFan]

EP40 couldn’t standout against the worst team in the NHL, how will he ever lead us to a cup? I 100% think once his NMC kicks he may get more difficult for us. I’m in the trade him now camp, even if he does bounce back a 100pt player he gets pushed around too easily to lead us in the playoffs.

 

[sting101]

Wow if Dobson is being shopped and Barzal has had a down year this truly is the time to pounce

Pettersson Hronek for Barzal Dobson

 

[tanti9]

It is interesting reading all the takes on Pettersson and watching his play thus far this season. Is he a disappointment this year? 100% he is. Should he be trade for the best package Vancouver can get before July 1st? This I would not do unless the return is something that you can not turn down. Canucks (and next few years are win now mode or they risk losing Hughes. In any trade you are not receiving back a player with Ep40s resume. He has proved in the past of what he is capable of and in no trade are you getting a player of EP40's ilk back and any draft pick in 4-5 years of having an impact.

The interview with Allvin last night and Riccio asking him about EP40 (paraphrasing here), "Pettersson was humble in coming to talk with us and asking for help". Maybe EP40 has understood (finally) on what it takes to be a consistent star in the NHL and his lack of preparedness coming into this year and then all the drama has spiraled him. I am hoping the 4 Nations can jump start him and and a committed effort in his training brings back the EP40 we all love. Any trade we make, we will lose as we will not get a player like EP40 was 1.5 years ago. anyway, my 2 bits.

Cheers

 

[Bobby9]

What if we did something crazy like:

EP40
Willander/Kudryatsev
1st

for

Barzal
Dobson
2nd
Prospect

Thomas
Holloway

It is interesting reading all the takes on Pettersson and watching his play thus far this season. Is he a disappointment this year? 100% he is. Should he be trade for the best package Vancouver can get before July 1st? This I would not do unless the return is something that you can not turn down. Canucks (and next few years are win now mode or they risk losing Hughes. In any trade you are not receiving back a player with Ep40s resume. He has proved in the past of what he is capable of and in no trade are you getting a player of EP40's ilk back and any draft pick in 4-5 years of having an impact.

The interview with Allvin last night and Riccio asking him about EP40 (paraphrasing here), "Pettersson was humble in coming to talk with us and asking for help". Maybe EP40 has understood (finally) on what it takes to be a consistent star in the NHL and his lack of preparedness coming into this year and then all the drama has spiraled him. I am hoping the 4 Nations can jump start him and and a committed effort in his training brings back the EP40 we all love. Any trade we make, we will lose as we will not get a player like EP40 was 1.5 years ago. anyway, my 2 bits.

Cheers

His NTC kicks in on July 1. Punt him before he has any say

 

[JT Milker]

i was with you to the last sentence.....that's a hard nah

You don’t think McDavid could go bar down from centre in an era where people were scoring by sliding the puck along the ice from the top of the circles?

Wow if Dobson is being shopped and Barzal has had a down year this truly is the time to pounce

Pettersson Hronek for Barzal Dobson

Hronek is better than Dobson in a better contract situation.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Thomas
Holloway

Why would St Louis do this?

 

[Jerry the great]

I hear you but man...that is the best top 4 in the NHL. You could just run ELCs on the bottom pairing or cheap 1 year journeymen.

Myers is under contract at $3MM with full trade protection. He's done a lot of heavy lifting for the Org and it's highly unlikely they would ask him to move elsewhere.

So with him and EP25 on the team, you're at $24.44MM + whatever Dobson signs for. If he signs for $7-8MM it will be on a short term deal (very risky from an asset management POV) which takes our top 6D to ~$32MM (33.5% of cap). For perspective, our top 6D last year earned $28.25 (33.8% of cap). Totally doable from a cap allocation standpoint.

from an asset management POV, it's kind of dicey IMO. I think selling Dobson, on a LTD would be tough unless you convinced him the team was going to run a 2D PP scheme (which would be pretty interesting.

Next is cost. hard to envision. If Pettersson is the key piece going the other way, we're opening a massive hole LT to plug one that is currently small. Would we move Hronek + our 1st? This would be ideal IMO if they were willing....hard to believe that would be enough to win any bidding war. 1st + Willander + money piece? Killing tomorrow for today IMO.

 

[LemonSauceD]

with a more credible source confirming Dobson is being shopped, I still stand by my original that the only way it makes sense for us to trade for Dobson is if management want a contingency plan in case Hughes leaves in 2 years. I highly doubt a defenseman like Dobson’s caliber will be available for quite a long time and I’m not even sure why they are even shopping him.

and hell no to giving up Willander for him.

 

[Diversification]

Petey's confidence is as low as I've ever seen. Yes, there are likely injury factors at play, but confidence is such an important factor, especially for forwards. The good thing is that confidence can be regained as quickly as it's lost. He gets a break here or there, and provided he can sort of ride that wave without dwelling too much on his past struggles, there's still a path forwards. I'm rooting for him to pull himself out of his tailspin while still wearing blue and green. But if I'm being honest, I'd place those odds at about 50:50 at this point.

 

[Jyrki]

It is interesting reading all the takes on Pettersson and watching his play thus far this season. Is he a disappointment this year? 100% he is. Should he be trade for the best package Vancouver can get before July 1st? This I would not do unless the return is something that you can not turn down. Canucks (and next few years are win now mode or they risk losing Hughes. In any trade you are not receiving back a player with Ep40s resume. He has proved in the past of what he is capable of and in no trade are you getting a player of EP40's ilk back and any draft pick in 4-5 years of having an impact.

The interview with Allvin last night and Riccio asking him about EP40 (paraphrasing here), "Pettersson was humble in coming to talk with us and asking for help". Maybe EP40 has understood (finally) on what it takes to be a consistent star in the NHL and his lack of preparedness coming into this year and then all the drama has spiraled him. I am hoping the 4 Nations can jump start him and and a committed effort in his training brings back the EP40 we all love. Any trade we make, we will lose as we will not get a player like EP40 was 1.5 years ago. anyway, my 2 bits.

Cheers

We probably don't see any significant improvements with Petey until the next season. Never seen a player on a long-term rut get a pep talk then suddenly tear it up. That kind of stuff takes a while to settle in and has to be reflected in training, mindset, etc.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Petey's confidence is as low as I've ever seen. Yes, there are likely injury factors at play, but confidence is such an important factor, especially for forwards. The good thing is that confidence can be regained as quickly as it's lost. He gets a break here or there, and provided he can sort of ride that wave without dwelling too much on his past struggles, there's still a path forwards. I'm rooting for him to pull himself out of his tailspin while still wearing blue and green. But if I'm being honest, I'd place those odds at about 50:50 at this point.

Sucks he cant even string a couple of good periods let alone games. Something is just so totally wrong with him.

 

[Jerry the great]

You don’t think McDavid could go bar down from centre in an era where people were scoring by sliding the puck along the ice from the top of the circles?


Hronek is better than Dobson in a better contract situation

Oh come on. Dobson has been a very good #1 at times. Hronek without Hughes is a #3 with limited PPQB2 utility and a decent PK guy.

 

[sting101]

You don’t think McDavid could go bar down from centre in an era where people were scoring by sliding the puck along the ice from the top of the circles?


Hronek is better than Dobson in a better contract situation.

Absolutely not man that's laughable. Mcdavid doesn't even have a power shot. JFC MacInnis Iafrate etc were bombing 100mp/h The reason you see slide on the ice goals is because without todays equipment they were trained to stand up

Hronek is 2 yrs older and is all tools no toolbox. His contract sucks. Not today but the last 3yrs are downright scary and we should be trying to worm out of that. Especially with his bummed shoulde. rDobson im not sure what the ask is but it must be really high if they are looking at moving him. Maybe that's why were hearing his name but he's a serious upgrade with a chance to get more prime years

 

[Nick Lang]

EP will never lead a NHL team to any type of success, ever. Not being able to see that for years makes me question a lot of peoples judgement. The red flags have been their for years.

Make a statement trade:

EP
1st
Lekk

for

Thomas
Holloway

But Thomas and Holloway are guaranteed to lead to success.

Never? Any type of success? Sounds like Hogwash to me.

I would hope to aim higher if we are adding Chytil.

Seems like a complete backwards move to add more assets on top of Cytil to just swap out centers for some unknown reason.

Personally I don't want to trade Cytil unless it's for something far better than another reclamation project like Cozens. Fantilli, or Carlsson, or something on those lines sure but a possible minor upgrade. What's the point except destroying the future?

 

[Quinning]

Petey's confidence is as low as I've ever seen. Yes, there are likely injury factors at play, but confidence is such an important factor, especially for forwards. The good thing is that confidence can be regained as quickly as it's lost. He gets a break here or there, and provided he can sort of ride that wave without dwelling too much on his past struggles, there's still a path forwards. I'm rooting for him to pull himself out of his tailspin while still wearing blue and green. But if I'm being honest, I'd place those odds at about 50:50 at this point.

That's not really true, though. Confidence takes a lot longer to build than it does to lose for most people. I know if my boss is happy about 9 projects and gets angry about the 10th, I'm likely to focus on the 10th.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

The Blues are rumored to be shopping Kyrou. I would trade Boeser flip those assets+ to get Kyrou.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Hronek is 2 yrs older and is all tools no toolbox. His contract sucks. Not today but the last 3yrs are downright scary and we should be trying to worm out of that. Especially with his bummed shoulde. rDobson im not sure what the ask is but it must be really high if they are looking at moving him. Maybe that's why were hearing his name but he's a serious upgrade with a chance to get more prime years

You've had some weird takes lately but this is among the worst. I'm not even a fan of Hronek but he's been excellent this season (specifically his positioning and hockey IQ) and his contract is very good given the rising cap.