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[Deeds26]

If LA feels like Gavrikov isn't going to re-sign there, could there be a deal with the Kings involving him with Boeser being shipped down as the Kings are in search of some scoring help.

I would have LA add-on a pick/prospect to even out, but could there be something there?

 

[pitseleh]

you have to know what you're paying for. horvat's contract is fine now but back then, paying him the same as JTM would've been insane based on production.

If they were the same age I’d agree but with Horvat being two years younger there would have been a premium in getting what should have been a couple more years of peak level production. That was probably worth ~$1 million per year at the time, give or take a bit.

 

[Vector]

If LA feels like Gavrikov isn't going to re-sign there, could there be a deal with the Kings involving him with Boeser being shipped down as the Kings are in search of some scoring help.

I would have LA add-on a pick/prospect to even out, but could there be something there?

I had this exact same thought last night. A UFA for UFA swap might work. LA probably isn't interested unless Mikey Anderson gets healthy, though.

 

[JT Milker]

Not to get overly political, but depending on the outcome of the next Canadian Federal election.....from an FX perspective, the next ten years could be materially different than the last 10.

Which party is going to 10x our population and invest trillions in the infrastructure required to compete with the US? Or implement interest rates so high that our real estate market implodes?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Not to get overly political, but depending on the outcome of the next Canadian Federal election.....from an FX perspective, the next ten years could be materially different than the last 10.

The Canadian economy is f***ed and that isn't changing anytime soon.

Going to be a very rough ride.

 

[theguardianII]

So with Columbus it doesn't look like Fantilli or Mateychuk would be on the table in a EP trade but Johnson and Sillinger might be (as mentioned Johnson has been playing the wing).

What would be the return from Columbus that is acceptable in a EP trade assuming no Fantilli or Mateychuk?

For reference Cam Robinson mentioned "high-end young NHLer, likely another roster player, picks and/or a serious prospect"

Another name I'll throw out there is Lindstrom who was drafted 4th overall last year but has a major injury to recover from (could be part of the serious prospect portion).

If Tocchet would play them, Voronkov and Marchenko/Chinakhov could be very decent as well. But I am pretty sure as long as Tocchet is here forget almost all Euros.

Just to post something most will rail against I project 15 to 19 more losses

 

[Jerry the great]

All that stuff is already priced in.. which is why the CAD is low.

if the idea of "investing in Canada" goes from SELL SELL SELL to slightly less horrifying, the Canadian dollar will get stronger. If investors actually get bullish commodities and want their exposure in CAD denominated assets, the loonie will get a lot stronger. Neither of these scenarios are remotely priced in.

 

[Bleach Clean]

And there's the problem. Bo's reputation was as a defensively sound forward but the opposite was true. The Canucks might have lowballed him as RNH was a pretty sweetheart contract for the Oilers. $7m should have been out of the question but by all accounts as soon as Miller signed for $8m, that's the only number that Horvat would have signed for going into the season.

At this time $8.5m for a 30 goal forward would be the going rate, but two seasons ago it was not remotely reasonable.

The frame is not $8.5m. He signed that outside of VAN and well past the summer deadline in VAN.

Do you have a reference that he wanted the $8m AAV Miller received? (Miller was also not defensively sound BTW)

Seravalli references $7m AAV as a beginning open market number given his total body of work. It can't then be out of the question. But even if this number was the outbound of Bo's ask, they were foolish not to work off of it. That outbound changed with his play in season.

 

[Ernie]

if the idea of "investing in Canada" goes from SELL SELL SELL to slightly less horrifying, the Canadian dollar will get stronger. If investors actually get bullish commodities and want their exposure in CAD denominated assets, the loonie will get a lot stronger. Neither of these scenarios are remotely priced in.

Well if you are sure that CAD is mis-priced, go make a bundle!

 

[God]

If they were the same age I’d agree but with Horvat being two years younger there would have been a premium in getting what should have been a couple more years of peak level production. That was probably worth ~$1 million per year at the time, give or take a bit.

i think it's probably worth quite a bit more given that JTM got 99 points the season prior and Horvat's career high is still 70 points, in the season he signed his current deal, and he doesn't look to be surpassing that number anytime soon

edit: mean to say the gap is quite a bit larger

 

[Ernie]

The frame is not $8.5m. He signed that outside of VAN and well past the summer deadline in VAN.

Do you have a reference that he wanted the $8m AAV Miller received? (Miller was also not defensively sound BTW)

Seravalli references $7m AAV as a beginning open market number given his total body of work. It can't then be out of the question. But even if this number was the outbound of Bo's ask, they were foolish not to work off of it. That outbound changed with his play in season.

I do recall it but I can't find it easily and don't have enough time to dig it up. I just remember that he was asking for Miller money and that was the holdup.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

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Also, with the salary cap news - I might be in the minority here - I’d totally do 8x8 for Brock. I just don’t see how we replace what he brings, even if he tops out at 25-30 goals, 55-65 points.

Agree with 1 caveat. I'd see what the market is at the deadline, and trade for a youngish top 4 D with the picks in the offseason. If the offers are full Rangers bad then just keep him.

 

[Ernie]

Also, with the salary cap news - I might be in the minority here - I’d totally do 8x8 for Brock. I just don’t see how we replace what he brings, even if he tops out at 25-30 goals, 55-65 points.

Debrusk delivers that for significantly less and has had a consistently good two-way profile through his career. I like Brock but his game does not look like it will age well and even in his prime he was way too often a passenger.

Boeser just doesn't move the needle enough to be worth a premium.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I do recall it but I can't find it easily and don't have enough time to dig it up. I just remember that he was asking for Miller money and that was the holdup.

I'll take you at your word for it.

Let's say he wanted Miller money post his re-signing. He was 2 years younger, and both had just hit 30 goals for the first time. Miller's point totals were unlikely to repeat. Mid season when Bo was on his heater, you could have made a case for it. You still arrive at same AAV in a not-so-ideal context.

These contracts don't look good early, but the bet long-term usually favours the club. The urgency to re-sign them at the right time is key though. This management team has failed in that regard imo.

 

[Nuckles]

MODS, prepare to scatter lego pieces all over [REDACTED USER]'s floor. Today is the 4th day after that supposed insider info rumour. Clock's ticking.

 

[M2Beezy]

Who does this guy think he is?!

Adam Cracknell

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

We are still have the Horvat convo?

Miller is a substantially better player than Horvat. Mgmt knew this and put there $$ on him.

He’s just volatile as crypto.

Mgmt probably hoped he would manage it or age out of it, but it hasn’t happened.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Debrusk delivers that for significantly less and has had a consistently good two-way profile through his career. I like Brock but his game does not look like it will age well and even in his prime he was way too often a passenger.

Boeser just doesn't move the needle enough to be worth a premium.

debrusk is a poor man's tanner pearson. he's not in brock's area code.

 

[rypper]

Adam Cracknell

Cracknell was a good dude.

 

[Ernie]

debrusk is a poor man's tanner pearson. he's not in brock's area code.

I'd love to hear your justification for this hot take.

 

[F A N]

debrusk is a poor man's tanner pearson. he's not in brock's area code.

I think DeBrusk is better than Pearson but agree that Brock is in a different class

 

[pitseleh]

Debrusk delivers that for significantly less and has had a consistently good two-way profile through his career. I like Brock but his game does not look like it will age well and even in his prime he was way too often a passenger.

Boeser just doesn't move the needle enough to be worth a premium.

While I agree with all of this, if the team trades Boeser or lets him walk, the risk they don’t find something better to spend the money on this offseason is pretty high, especially since he seems to be popular with his teammates.

If they don’t replace him with something comparable or better and the team struggles next year that is probably the end of the current core, if the Miller / Pettersson thing doesn’t tank it first.

 

[Hansen]

We could have had both Pettersson and Hughes on 8x8’s if it werent for Jim Benning

 

[Bleach Clean]

Debrusk delivers that for significantly less and has had a consistently good two-way profile through his career. I like Brock but his game does not look like it will age well and even in his prime he was way too often a passenger.

Boeser just doesn't move the needle enough to be worth a premium.

On 8x8 being a premium:

Per career rate, he has outscored and outpointed Timo Meier, who has a $8.8m AAV/8yr deal signed 2 years ago. 10.54% of a $83.5m cap. That same percentage on a $96m cap is $10.1m AAV... Suddenly, $8m AAV doesn't seem so bad. It gets even better if it rises from there.

I think Boeser is smart enough 2ways that Tocchet trusts him. This is significant. I'm not confident that his awareness and production can be replicated for less cost elsewhere, but that's the bet they're making...?

 

[supercanuck]

I'll take you at your word for it.

Let's say he wanted Miller money post his re-signing. He was 2 years younger, and both had just hit 30 goals for the first time. Miller's point totals were unlikely to repeat. Mid season when Bo was on his heater, you could have made a case for it. You still arrive at same AAV in a not-so-ideal context.

These contracts don't look good early, but the bet long-term usually favours the club. The urgency to re-sign them at the right time is key though. This management team has failed in that regard imo.

Team would be in a better place right now with Bo even if JT is the better individual player. There is value in Bo's "intangibles". Huge management mistake by thinking they could fix JT and then also doing nothing to supplement the leadership in the room.