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[arttk]

so a cap many teams really can't afford.

which is not a cap at all.

big market teams will really be able to flex now. NYR, Toronto will most likely spend to the max, maybe us as well.

The Jets will most likely NEVER spend anywhere close and I am guessing probably Anaheim as well.

 

[CalderSchmalder]

How much do we expect Quinn to ask for now? 20 million?

 

[theguardianII]

This is insane. And yes suddenly 11.6 for a 1C is nothing. Pete's value (and Miller's) has just sky rocketed. Also Hughes must be licking his lips right now. Dude will be pushing 16mill when he resigns LMAO.

Just because a player is slotted into a spot doesn't mean that they are compared to centers in the rest the rest of the league. Right now center rankings are JTM - 44th EP -58th here. Not 1rst line center really. But their past does have value close to their contracts.

If Hughes keeps playing the way he is he could be offered closer to 18 mil by NJD and his brothers.
We get a chance to see two of the brothers play together at the four nations, watch their interactions because that might shine a glimmer of the future or his desires.

How much do we expect Quinn to ask for now? 20 million?

2026 first overall plus a few more good young assets.
506 days and counting

 

[Bonham]

Cap increase puts the pressure on to improve the team over the next two seasons.

All 32 teams will have the money to throw at Hughes.

 

[ManVanFan]

Is the dressing room that fractured that the players didn't realize that is was Karlsson's first career goal? It seems as if that is something teammates really are on top off normally.

 

[Orr4Norris]

Cap increase puts the pressure on to improve the team over the next two seasons.

All 32 teams will have the money to throw at Hughes.

I’m guessing there are going to be quite a few teams that operate with an internal cap.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I get the feeling his agent will be asking for even more than that now

Then we have to plan for life without Brock Boeser. Which sucks, but isn't impossible.

 

[Bobby9]

Just because a player is slotted into a spot doesn't mean that they are compared to centers in the rest the rest of the league. Right now center rankings are JTM - 44th EP -58th here. Not 1rst line center really. But their past does have value close to their contracts.

It's insane that people don't realize just because they call him a 1C or we have in the line up as a 1C he simply is not playing like one right now.

He's worth 7 M MAX right now. Imagine gloating that a player on the team went from a horrendous cap hit to a really terrible one.

I suppose for some people thats progress.

 

[iceburg]

With the cap news it's pretty comical that the Rangers were asking for retention on Miller.

 

[Ernie]

113M cap lol

Quinn's cap hit is going to be like 17M which is totally fine, he can have whatever money he wants.

But realistically, yeah there are going to be like 10+ teams not ever spending over 100M and there are going to be a lot of caproom around for everyone and hoarding cap is not going to be that useful. It's going to take awhile for folks to get used to that what "arming yourself with cap" is no longer going to be as true.

That's a little optimistic. Everyone will have more money to spend. There are 29 teams spending more than $80m this season and I don't think that's going to change a lot.

If Pettersson can get near to his previous form, his contract is going to be an amazing deal. You'd think that there is still significant value to be derived from Miller's contract.

If the Canucks can get Hughes on board, they should seriously consider keeping both players. At the end of the day, both players are right about each other. Pettersson needs to get his shit together, and Miller needs to shut the f*** up. Until both players realize that, the ability for the team to derive trade value from them will be significantly lower than it should be.

 

[wonton15]

Sign Lankinen, cowards

 

[arttk]

Lol, 72M in cap space when Quinn's deal expires.

 

[LemonSauceD]

The last 20 pages of the trade and rumours thread of the Avs board is them drooling over Miller/Petey

Someone said this and it had quite a bit of likes:

“Absolutely. If you can run MacKinnon/Pettersson down the middle there isn't a team in the West outside of Edmonton that can match, and Edmonton doesn't have Cale Makar.

I'd seriously pay an absurd futures price for him to make it work.

Pettersson
Hoglander
Sherwood

for

Mittelstadt
Colton
Wood
Malinski
Ritchie
Zellers
2025 2nd (CAR)
2025 2nd (NYR)
2027 Conditional 1st (Canucks choice of 2026 or 2027 1st if Flyers receive Avalanche 2025 1st)”

 

[arttk]

That's a little optimistic. Everyone will have more money to spend. There are 29 teams spending more than $80m this season and I don't think that's going to change a lot.

If Pettersson can get near to his previous form, his contract is going to be an amazing deal. You'd think that there is still significant value to be derived from Miller's contract.

If the Canucks can get Hughes on board, they should seriously consider keeping both players. At the end of the day, both players are right about each other. Pettersson needs to get his shit together, and Miller needs to shut the f*** up. Until both players realize that, the ability for the team to derive trade value from them will be significantly lower than it should be.

I think there is a big difference between spending 80m+ vs 100M+ vs 110M+.

 

[rypper]

Il just repeat an earlier post.

Trading Pettersson when he's at his lowest is completely Pejorative Slured and will go down in Canucks history as an all time stupid move.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I also find it kind of funny how doom and gloom we are with our players but if you read other teams boards, they are very high on Pettersson and Miller despite their struggles.

Main boards would have you think our players are worth nothing but trash.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Miller opening up places he wishes to go is a good thing. He is helping instead of hindering. Could be far worse.

If Boeser's term demand lowers his AAV to mid-low 7s or even high 6s, they should re-sign him. Sticking to a 3-4 year max term is a mistake. They have to get to 6 years at least.

The rising cap and the fact that he's pacing 31 goals even now means he is the most efficient option. All while being a good teammate.

Get it done Allvin.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I also find it kind of funny how doom and gloom we are with our players but if you read other teams boards, they are very high on Pettersson and Miller despite their struggles.

Main boards would have you think our players are worth nothing but trash.

well........yeah. Our fans flooding the trade boards are probably all deluded into thinking we'll get this massive package for either, but that's not the way economy works. I keep seeing the term 'distressed asset' and for a very good reason. Some people that know economics better than I do seem to be with the same lines of thinking.

 

[theguardianII]

The core of this team has failed to get it done for a while now. Horvat was at least considered excess because Canucks had two other top 6 centers. Canucks don't have an excess of wingers anymore. Well maybe bottom 6 wingers. A 1st and a 2nd for Boeser I'd take it.

I think it is too late for that much a haul unless it is to a top ten team where the picks might be 22 to 32 and 54 to 64.
I still think it might be better to trade for a young defenseman not yet a regular.
The Devils have two dmen of interest not regulars, Nemec and their first pick of last year, Silayev.
With retention used for Boeser maybe a Miller and Boeser trade.
Those two and Mercer.
They can do that especially with Hischier's injury going LTIR
Not a big win immediately but it does open up cap space now and possibly solidify the defence rebuild for 6 years.

IS there any world where a three player trade is made? JTM, BB and Demko? Now that would be a mega blockbuster.

Carolina? Buffalo? Columbus?

As long as fans don't let the shows sell doom and gloom for not getting instant gratification there could be a silver lining(s) in the future if a build is done properly.

 

[Ernie]

I think there is a big difference between spending 80m+ vs 100M+ vs 110M+.

Well the reason the cap is going up is because revenues are going up, so every team has more to spend. A lot of those revenues are also league revenues that will be distributed equally, so poorer markets should be at an advantage.

 

[Peter Griffin]

With the recent salary cap news is anyone else thinking this team should just move Pettersson to the highest bidder and build for the next 3 playoffs around the now extremely underpaid Hughes and to an extent Miller? My thoughts were always to try to get out of the Miller contract before it “becomes bad”, but now, I’m not even sure it ever will be considered bad.

Moving Pettersson for a bunch of assets, and getting a top 6 center and top 4 defender plus a bunch of capspace opening up might be this team’s best shot.

 

[I am toxic]

Well the former needs absolutely zero coverage as far as i'm concerned, but in general i agree that the team first culture in hockey has not been something that fits marketing potential like a glove

Ruthervin, JT and Petey are working overtime to change that culture

 

[Bobby9]

Il just repeat an earlier post.

Trading Pettersson when he's at his lowest is completely Pejorative Slured and will go down in Canucks history as an all time stupid move.

What do you think a bad season (points) filled with drama and a potential playoff series where he bombs again would do to his value?

Because 2 of those 3 realities are unfolding right in front of you. Do you want to gamble on the 3rd?

 

[Big zZz]

Yes I 100% agree.

I'd see if ehlers makes it to market first personally.

 

[krutovsdonut]

boeser's current deal was 8% of cap at time of signing in 2022.

extrapolated to the predicted cap for next year, 8% of cap is $7.64m. but averaged over the projections for the next three years that would be $8.35m.

in 2022 he was coming off 46 and 49 point seasons with 23 goals each.

he had 55 and 73 points seasons after signing the deal with 18 and 40 goals. he is now trending to 32 goals and 64 points. he's still only 27.

$8m would be a good deal for the canucks.

for a reference point, loui eriksson aged 31 was coming off a 30 goal 63 point season in 2016 and he got 8.7% of cap, which works out to $8.3m on next years cap, or $9.1m on a three year estimated cap average.