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[ManVanFan]

No it doesn't.

Henrik Sedin career shooting percentage is like 12.9%

Daniel Sedin career shooting percentage is like 11.3%

Anyone who have watched them knows how bad Henrik's shot is, at times he looks like he sweeping the puck with a broken broom.

shooting percentage is not even a lazy way to compare shooting ability, its flat out wrong.

Cole Sillinger going to be the next Henrik Sedin. Damn, I've heard some strange things before this might take the cake.

Now that I think of it, Henrik and Daniel couldn't shoot and still has percentages in the teens but Sillinger is almost half that.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Absolutely the best option right now is to add an upgrade (or two) asap, give them maximum games pre TDL to see if it improves.

Ideally a vet(s) defenseman but a winger would be okay, maybe miller just needs another old guy or two to settle down. Who is available and affordable is another question.

Desharnais, Juulsen, Heinen is five million dollars... that definitely buys something decent.
Ceci, Schenn, dumolin, cannot be that expensive, and i still like reaves (Olivier!) For the vet locker room presence, playoff muscle, and hughes protection, even if vector is a hater.

 

[Cowumbus]

just saying there was some talk about vancouver offering hoglander for sillinger. Definitely feels like the kind of player you can trade for in a different move (perhaps using some of the assets you get from a miller/petey trade maybe adding in a boeser).

CBJ turns that down easily

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

You are Patrik Allvin. Your phone rings. It's Don Sweeney. He offers you this trade:

JT Miller

for

Nikita Zadorov (20% retained)
1st round pick 2024
Brad Marchand (50% retained)

As an additional condition, you MUST keep Marchand on your roster. No flipping him.

Do you dare say no??

 

[wonton15]

Kuzmenko to Philly… can’t imagine how well that’ll go with Torts

 

[ahmon]

Cole Sillinger going to be the next Henrik Sedin. Damn, I've heard some strange things before this might take the cake.

Now that I think of it, Henrik and Daniel couldn't shoot and still has percentages in the teens but Sillinger is almost half that.

Yeah I clearly said Sillinger will be next Henrik Sedin

 

[Vector]

Yeah I clearly said Sillinger will be next Henrik Sedin

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

You are Patrik Allvin. Your phone rings. It's Don Sweeney. He offers you this trade:

JT Miller

for

Nikita Zadorov (20% retained)
1st round pick 2024
Brad Marchand (50% retained)

As an additional condition, you MUST keep Marchand on your roster. No flipping him.

Do you dare say no??

WTF would Allvin say yes?

 

[arttk]

I disagree completely. It's becoming more and more of a positionally driven and systems-driven league and the values GMs put on leverage D and C relative to scoring wingers reflect this.

Teams are built through the middle of the ice on leverage players. If you don't have two-way Cs who can play leverage minutes, you're f***ed. And these guys are nearly impossible to find.

Johnson is a nice player. He'd probably be a nice Boeser replacement. He'll probably have some 30-goal NHL seasons. But he isn't an elite talent or a superstar and Sillinger is the better asset.



The non-season when Johnson was still playing C? Doesn't really have any relevance to right now.

Yeah the only way for Johnson to be worth more than a 2 way 2C is to be like a 90-100pt plus play driving winger like Kaprizov and Panarin. PPG 1st line winger is not really worth as much as a high end 2C unless it’s like a Stone where defense is elite.

 

[LemonSauceD]

People rate Johnson higher than Sillinger? Really?

I've seen about 5 CBJ games.

Prospect fans on prospect boards rate guys like Johnson higher. Actual NHL GMs rate guys like Sillinger higher. C and D have so, so much more value than one-dimensional wingers.

Nobody doubts Sillinger’s potential. But to say he’s Brayden Schenn lite while absolutely underselling Johnson as a soft skilled Boeser is a bit disingenuous, especially when Johnson and Boeser are both fundamentally different players, regardless of position. Schenn early in his career struggled as a Center and played wing quite a bit.

Johnson is tracking towards more of a Kyle Connor type who was also a center turned winger. Both are valuable players but this team should prioritize in getting the player with the highest scoring potential in a trade involving a franchise C. It is much harder to find a potential 80-100 point talent than it is to find a B. Schenn type.

Sillinger is the most expendable center Columbus has with the plethora of young centers they have and if he’s truly as valuable as you say he is, he wouldn’t be talked about in trade proposals and we’d be talking about Fantilli or Voronkov, which those connected with Columbus clearly see as superior, irregardless of Sillinger’s current impact.

If Sillinger is the main piece in a Pettersson trade, you might as well keep the guy who already has scored 100 and 90 points and is a career PPG while already providing the same defensive contributions to the younger guy who’s only shown he’s capable of POTENTIALLY being nearly half the player.

 

[Agent007]

CBJ turns that down easily

Probably why the deal didn’t happen but point I was making is there might be a market deficiency to exploit with sillinger (in other words a guy to target with the assets from a miller trade for example).

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

IF we were to deal Petey you don't even consider it until you get an overpayment.

With Miller, there is utility in getting away from his contract at his age and I think a lot of posters are going to be incredibly disappointed.

We're not getting a Ritchie.

Think Mittelstadt, 2026 1st, maybe a mid prospect and a small dump.

Or Chytil, Lindgren and a 1st (with us probably sweetening by offering a small asset).

Or Kotkaniemi, maybe Morrow, a 1st, and another dump.

Of those I think I like the Rangers' the most.

Mercer is my favorite 'possible' return but I doubt the Devils move on from him.
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On Sillinger versus Johnson:

Pepperidge farms remembers when people were calling a 19 year old Sillinger a bust with little upside. It's funny how even prognosticators over emphasize what is happening RIGHT NOW.

I haven't watched enough of Sillinger since his resurgence to have an opinion.

I do think that KJ is being underrated because he has a creativity and skillset that can break a game open in a way that few players can. He's got a bit of Mitch Marner in him (he's not as good and isn't two way like Marner) and that's not nothing.

Personally I find Boeser a really bizarre comparison because, while I see the one way component, they are entirely different. Boeser creates very little but finishes well and has the IQ to augment a creator. KJ, for his flaws, IS a creator. He's the kind of a guy a Boeser might play well with (and indeed this may come to pass if we trade BB6 to Columbus).

 

[wonton15]

The mid Dallas game “JT Miller will not return to the game.” announcement tomorrow and then Friedman tweeting that he is being held out in a deal with Philadelphia for Travis Sanheim is going to be glorious

 

[Bobby9]

Torts and JT. Would be a dream to watch

 

[wonton15]

So Thompson $6M, Lindgren $3.5M
=
Demko $6M, Lankinen $3.5M?

 

[iceburg]

You are Patrik Allvin. Your phone rings. It's Don Sweeney. He offers you this trade:

JT Miller

for

Nikita Zadorov (20% retained)
1st round pick 2024
Brad Marchand (50% retained)

As an additional condition, you MUST keep Marchand on your roster. No flipping him.

Do you dare say no??

Zadorov says no. He's already done it once.

 

[Delocatedfan]

Maybe Sillinger would excel in Tocchets system & his analytics would improve.

I wonder if CBJ would have any interest in trading for JT & Brock as a package?

I am not overly familiar with cbj as I haven't watched many games of theirs so not sure what would be a fair & reasonable return

 

[pitseleh]

No it doesn't.

Henrik Sedin career shooting percentage is like 12.9%

Daniel Sedin career shooting percentage is like 11.3%

Anyone who have watched them knows how bad Henrik's shot is, at times he looks like he sweeping the puck with a broken broom.

shooting percentage is not even a lazy way to compare shooting ability, its flat out wrong.

For what it’s worth, if you look at Sillinger’s shot heat maps, he’s generating a lot of shots right around the net and in the slot but not finishing them. His career expected goals are 18 higher than his actual goals at even strength. Think there’s enough there to say that he’s not great at finishing, at least at this point of his career.

 

[PavelBure10]

I don't like many of the rumored names available, especially for high caliber players such as Pettersson and Miller. Not digging the often concussed Chytil. Nor Kotkieniemi who hasn't resulted into much of anything. Sillinger sounds okay, but not straight across for Pettersson. There would have to be a significant add. Personally I like Buffalo as a trade candidate. A packaged deal with two from Byram, Kulich, Peterka, and maybe Cozens interests me most. I get the feeling the Canucks are going to get roasted in a deal involving Pettersson or Miller. Here's hoping for the best.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I disagree completely. It's becoming more and more of a positionally driven and systems-driven league and the values GMs put on leverage D and C relative to scoring wingers reflect this.

Teams are built through the middle of the ice on leverage players. If you don't have two-way Cs who can play leverage minutes, you're f***ed. And these guys are nearly impossible to find.

Johnson is a nice player. He'd probably be a nice Boeser replacement. He'll probably have some 30-goal NHL seasons. But he isn't an elite talent or a superstar and Sillinger is the better asset.

Given the same position, talent wins out. C and D: Dobson/Hughes, Pettersson/Vilardi etc.. Given disparate positions, talent shows through as well: Tkachuk/Juolevi, Pastrnak/Larkin etc... It depends on how much more talented the W is.

And so, if the W's talent level is such that a C's utility doesn't make up for the gap, then the W is the more valuable asset. Example: Tkachuk vs multiple 2way Cs around the league. Nobody cares that those Cs offer structural value until they near the talent gap.

Here: Sillinger is not as talented as KJ. KJ is in the middle 1st line cohort (60th) for P/GP at 22 years old... Sillinger is 178th in P/GP (4 cohorts apart) while being a late birthday in the same draft. Their Ozone surplus starts are not far apart,1.33 (KJ) and 1.16 (CS). And Sillinger has the 4th worst Rel Expected Goals % (-8.4%) on the team (KJ is 7th best (8.1%)). There is clearly not enough secondary value in Sillinger to close the gap just because he's a C.

I know you hate Drance, but he's been right on the money with this. When you see Hughes' impact on and off the ice, you understand how much a singular talent can affect the flow of play. The same holds when Tkachuk/Kucherov/Pastrnak hit the ice. The position then becomes a secondary concern where the best you hope is to hold the score until the talented players win you the game.

 

[Big zZz]

Canucks brass are Pejorative Slured if they don't take a flyer on boqvist.


That being said I fully expect them to pass on him. Sleepy Jim strikes again.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I think there’s something there with Boqvist, and I’d claim him.

But I can’t see the Canucks doing so, especially given their reaction to Brannstrom.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Really wanted Hertl last year. Already at 20g, while being mostly a pass first player.

Would fit well with either JT or EP, and able to C if one is hurt.

 

[Vector]

Canucks brass are Pejorative Slured if they don't take a flyer on boqvist.


That being said I fully expect them to pass on him. Sleepy Jim strikes again.

I think there’s something there with Boqvist, and I’d claim him.

But I can’t see the Canucks doing so, especially given their reaction to Brannstrom.

A spare contract slot is more valuable than Boqvist.

I dislike this obsession with mediocre failed high draft picks. Boqvist sucks. He’s always sucked. He is a bad NHLer. He can’t fill any role adequately and the Canucks have more interesting internal options.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

A spare contract slot is more valuable than Boqvist.

I dislike this obsession with mediocre failed high draft picks. Boqvist sucks. He’s always sucked. He is a bad NHLer. He can’t fill any role adequately and the Canucks have more interesting internal options.

Jesus, Vector, tell me how you really feel.