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[Chairman Maouth]

Ferraro is the best.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

People rate Johnson higher than Sillinger? Really?

Yes, because his offensive upside is something this team would need if you're trading your number 1 center. If this team values Sillinger more than Johnson, that would just straight up be very stupid.

 

[Vector]

People rate Johnson higher than Sillinger? Really?

He's seemed to unlock something this season but I haven't watched him. I think people believe he's a centre and he really hasn't played there since turning pro.

 

[MS]

Yes, because his offensive upside is something this team would need if you're trading your number 1 center. If this team values Sillinger more than Johnson, that would just straight up be very stupid.

Johnson is a Boeser replacement as a soft skill winger.

Sillinger is going to spend the next decade as a Brayden Schenn-level 55-70 point high-end two-way C.

Like, if you're trading a C, I'd want the second option back a hell of a lot more than the first.

 

[VanillaCoke]

A 100 point beast like Miller is available and teams wanna cheap out this significantly? The goal is to win the cup, not have the best prospect pool. Pay up ya turds. Drury especially. Guy will get fired if the Rags miss the playoffs. He was gifted so much by Horton and he's about to blunder it big time.

Exactly.
Canucks dont have to do anything, both are signed top tier assets teams should be scrambling to acquire asap. But we know gms be dumb.

Hold out for cozens & power, or mitts and ritchie etc , yeah there's drama but not really desperation.

Sillinger would make the most sense. They have a lot of centres signed and he's the worst performer than all of them. Maybe can get Chinakhov as well but that is probably a stretch.

Chinakov is meh, maybe becomes the next Kuzmenko but isn't anything special/desirable on a tocchet team.

 

[MS]

He's seemed to unlock something this season but I haven't watched him. I think people believe he's a centre and he really hasn't played there since turning pro.

Yeah, he's still listed as a C despite basically not playing there in 4 years and I guess that must be part of it? Guy is a winger, full-stop. Has 1 hit this year. He might score 70 points as a winger at some point but to me Sillinger is a the sort of guy winning teams are built around and Johnson is a much more superfluous type piece.

 

[Hansen]

Voronkov + Mateychuk + Pick imo and maybe a roster piece

 

[Vector]

Exactly.
Canucks dont have to do anything, both are signed top tier assets teams should be scrambling to acquire asap. But we know gms be dumb.

Hold out for cozens & power, or mitts and ritchie etc , yeah there's drama but not really desperation.


Chinakov is meh, maybe becomes the next Kuzmenko but isn't anything special/desirable on a tocchet team.

Then, f*** it, let's upgrade Chinakhov to Voronkov.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Johnson is a Boeser replacement as a soft skill winger.

Sillinger is going to spend the next decade as a Brayden Schenn-level 55-70 point high-end two-way C.

Like, if you're trading a C, I'd want the second option back a hell of a lot more than the first.

Sillinger hasn't shown anything that would suggest he's going to spend the next decade playing at the level you just projected.

I'd take the chance KJ can convert to a center, Columbus is deep with centers which could also be why he's been mainly playing wing (Would have to look into that)

 

[ManVanFan]

People rate Johnson higher than Sillinger? Really?

Why wouldn't they? He is proving that he is the better player.

 

[MS]

Sillinger hasn't shown anything that would suggest he's going to spend the next decade playing at the level you just projected.

I'd take the chance KJ can convert to a center, Columbus is deep with centers which could also be why he's been mainly playing wing (Would have to look into that)

He hasn't?

He has spent basically the last two years scoring at a solid ES rate for a 2C (30-35 ES points).
He kills penalties.
He hits.
He plays high leverage minutes at C.

Basically the only thing he doesn't do right now is score PP points. If/when he does that and puts up 10-15 PP points/season he's instantly into the range I'm talking about.

There are very, very few guys 21 and younger playing the sort of minutes/role he is in the NHL right now.

Johnson is playing wing because he's a butter-soft guy who can't defend. He's never going to play C in the NHL.

 

[Agent007]

just saying there was some talk about vancouver offering hoglander for sillinger. Definitely feels like the kind of player you can trade for in a different move (perhaps using some of the assets you get from a miller/petey trade maybe adding in a boeser).

 

[MS]

Why wouldn't they? He is proving that he is the better player.

How? Scoring a bunch of PP points?

High leverage two-way C >>>> creampuff scoring winger. Every day of the week.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Given his usage and age, his floor is pretty much a Boone Jenner type. He's their top PKer, plays centre, etc. I'm surprised to see him pop up on the trade rumours board from CBJ fans, but maybe I'm misremembering.

Yeah no, he needs to put up some positive play driving numbers first. He is decent on the pk but on the Blue Jackets he is the best option amoung a bunch of terrible options. Kind of reminds me of Horvat early in his career before he had a big skating improvement. Don’t think he will ever be a great two way center. A player that can drive play offensively that can’t handle tough matchups. If he is the center piece in Miller trade no problems, in Petey trade heck no.

 

[squashmaple]

Jackets fan popping by.

I’d personally prefer a Boeser trade to a Pettersson because of roster consideration and other factors.

If it is a Pettersson trade, you’re probably looking at a core of Sillinger + Chinakhov, which isn’t sexy but still probably one of your top bids. Especially since Columbus can easily take the full cap hit. Obviously a first would also be in there (whether our or Minnesota’s is debatable).

 

[ManVanFan]

How? Scoring a bunch of PP points?

High leverage two-way C >>>> creampuff scoring winger. Every day of the week.

How does someone argue with that stellar argument.

 

[Hansen]

Jackets fan popping by.

I’d personally prefer a Boeser trade to a Pettersson because of roster consideration and other factors.

If it is a Pettersson trade, you’re probably looking at a core of Sillinger + Chinakhov, which isn’t sexy but still probably one of your top bids. Especially Columbus can easily take the full cap hit.

Im sorry for Gudbranson

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Give me Kulich over Sillinger everyday of the week.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

He hasn't?

He has spent basically the last two years scoring at a solid ES rate for a 2C (30-35 ES points).
He kills penalties.
He hits.
He plays high leverage minutes at C.

Basically the only thing he doesn't do right now is score PP points. If/when he does that and puts up 10-15 PP points/season he's instantly into the range I'm talking about.

There are very, very few guys 21 and younger playing the sort of minutes/role he is in the NHL right now.

Johnson is playing wing because he's a butter-soft guy who can't defend. He's never going to play C in the NHL.

My thing is how those points come - he isn't driving play really at all and is more of a passenger offensively. Everything I look at right now screams 'meh'.

Dom's player card for him has him as a negative player both offensively and defensively.

+/- isn't the best stat but he's a -14, worst on the Blue Jackets.

He's on ice for most HDCA/60, so I question how well those 'high leverage' minutes have really gone.

HDCF% is amongst the lowest on the Blue Jackets at 39.25%.

It's very rich to project him to play at a Brayden Schenn level for a decade imo. His QoC rel CF% is the highest amongst Jackets players for sure, but by all means those minutes have not gone well.

 

[Peen]

Im sorry for Gudbranson

they like him there

 

[ahmon]

Im not sure I see Kent Johnson and Boeser as comparable.

Boeser is shooter who is slow. So he looks for soft openings on the ice to shoot and tip pucks. Has almost zero physicality but over the years has learned to be as least passable defensively and get pucks out when its rims around his side.

Johnson is forward with good speed and his strength are his hands and stickhandling ability. I wouldn't call him a elite playmaker but he sees the ice well. But most of the time I feel like he has so much confidence in his ability to carry the puck he overdoes things. Shot is sneaky good, but he is even skinnier than Brock and also zero physicality. And at this time worse defensively.

I mean Johnson clearly has a higher skillset, aside from Brock's rookie year where his shot looked lethal, Johnson, skating/speed, stickhandling/puckhandling, and overall offensive capabilities are higher than Brock.

On Sillinger, made the NHL really early, jumped right in. I do see similarities with him and Schenn, very similiar physical tools. ( You know you are old when you remember watching his dad)

I would say Schenn probably has better vision, I wouldn't call B Schenn an elite playmaker but he can play the half boards role on the pp in a pinch, 2 years of 40+ assists.
Im not sure I see that part of his game in Sillinger. Most times I watch him he carries the puck right into traffic, shows lower hockey IQ.
But his shot is probably better. Wouldn't surprise me if Sillinger with a good playmaker can score 30-40 goals.

I think a better upside target for Sillinger is Horvat. More of a shooting C who can't really pass, with some physical tools

Both have their strengths and weaknesses

 

[pitseleh]

My thing is how those points come - he isn't driving play really at all and is more of a passenger offensively. Everything I look at right now screams 'meh'.

Dom's player card for him has him as a negative player both offensively and defensively.

+/- isn't the best stat but he's a -14, worst on the Blue Jackets.

He's on ice for most HDCA/60, so I question how well those 'high leverage' minutes have really gone.

HDCF% is amongst the lowest on the Blue Jackets at 39.25%.

It's very rich to project him to play at a Brayden Schenn level for a decade imo. His QoC rel CF% is the highest amongst Jackets players for sure, but by all means those minutes have not gone well.

I agree with all of that, but the fact he’s been trusted to play tough minutes from ages 19-21 says a lot too.

His first four years look a lot like Sean Couturier’s (tough comp, mediocre defensive results) and you hope Sillinger can break out in the same way.

But you are also taking risk with the player that the offence never comes, like a Manny Malhotra. Which is why I’d want another high end piece coming back if you’re trading Pettersson for him.

 

[Bobby9]

Why not Jenner + a d prospect + pick for EP

 

[ManVanFan]

Im not sure I see Kent Johnson and Boeser as comparable.

Boeser is shooter who is slow. So he looks for soft openings on the ice to shoot and tip pucks. Has almost zero physicality but over the years has learned to be as least passable defensively and get pucks out when its rims around his side.

Johnson is forward with good speed and his strength are his hands and stickhandling ability. I wouldn't call him a elite playmaker but he sees the ice well. But most of the time I feel like he has so much confidence in his ability to carry the puck he overdoes things. Shot is sneaky good, but he is even skinnier than Brock and also zero physicality. And at this time worse defensively.

I mean Johnson clearly has a higher skillset, aside from Brock's rookie year where his shot looked lethal, Johnson, skating/speed, stickhandling/puckhandling, and overall offensive capabilities are much higher than Brock.

On Sillinger, made the NHL really early, jumped right in. I do see similarities with him and Schenn, very similiar physical tools. ( You know you are old when you remember watching his dad)

I would say Schenn probably has better vision, I wouldn't call B Schenn an elite playmaker but he can play the half boards role on the pp in a pinch, 2 years of 40+ assists.
Im not sure I see that part of his game in Sillinger. Most times I watch him he carries the puck right into traffic, slows lower hockey IQ.
But his shot is probably better. Wouldn't surprise me if Sillinger with a good playmaker can score 30-40 goals.

Both have their strengths and weaknesses

Brayden Schenn has a career shooting percentage of 13.4%. Cole Sillinger has a career shooting percentage of 7.7. Schenn hasn't been in single digits once. Cole has only got into double digits just barely in his first season.

 

[MS]

How does someone argue with that stellar argument.

My thing is how those points come - he isn't driving play really at all and is more of a passenger offensively. Everything I look at right now screams 'meh'.

Dom's player card for him has him as a negative player both offensively and defensively.

+/- isn't the best stat but he's a -14, worst on the Blue Jackets.

He's on ice for most HDCA/60, so I question how well those 'high leverage' minutes have really gone.

HDCF% is amongst the lowest on the Blue Jackets at 39.25%.

It's very rich to project him to play at a Brayden Schenn level for a decade imo. His QoC rel CF% is the highest amongst Jackets players for sure, but by all means those minutes have not gone well.

He's a -14 because he's a young C playing leverage minutes on a not-very-good team who has gotten unsustainably unlucky results with a 96.6 PDO and a .870 on-ice save%.

This is the complete list of U23 centers (drafted 2000 or later) who are on pace for 40+ points, will take 500+ faceoffs this year, and play more than 1:00/game on the PK :

Anton Lundell
Wyatt Johnston
Cole Sillinger
Logan Cooley

If you add 'on pace for 100+ hits' then it's just Sillinger and Lundell.

Very few players play the sort of role he's being asked to play at age 21. People are getting hung up on 'he's struggling a bit with those minutes' over 'he's an elite player at his role for his age to even be playing those minutes at all'. This is going to be a very good player for a long time at one of the positions/roles that are the very hardest for NHL teams to fill.