Yea people saying "management should've kept Horvat over JTM" are talking in hindsight here.There are good reasons to trade Bo instead of Miller.
Free up leadership spot for Quinn to take over.
Miller legit better point producer.
I think the miscalculation is Miller imploding the team after tasting success
Didn't even realize this. Every deal on the team is their's (except for two of the better ones, including the best defenseman in the league!).They can't just keep acting like this was dumped on them. They have been here for 3 years and signed almost every contract. Hughes and Garland are the only ones they haven't signed.
It's 100% the team they built.
Are you meaning that if Petey is traded that Miller then finds another player on the team to act the same way towards? Lekkerimaki or Willander might be next.Kinda goes both ways though. JT might be a jerk but he's not the biggest jerk in hockey by any extent. If Pettersson can be thrown off his game by JT, what's to stop it happening again? Or do the Canucks have to build a team of introverts around him?
My gut feeling is that Pettersson will not survive in this market with or without a JT trade. That may also be the reason that the team is exploring trading him.
So add Kunz and a 2027 5thI don't think you get that package for Pettersson alone, if you can get Power at all. Rumors are Cozens and Byram are on the table, but Buffalo is apparently looking for another piece aside from Pettersson for that package.
If this is actually the purpose of whatever this schtick JR is pulling, it is absolutely braindead.More I think about it, the more I think JR is just challenging them. Having concluded that the trade market for either of them is garbage right now, and that it’s probably the lesser evil to just be stuck with them for the rest of the year than make a bad trade… this is just saying this ain’t our fault, it ain’t the media’s fault, it ain’t the fans’ fault… so now everybody knows the score, and you can go down like a bunch of weenies or try playing like professionals.
Yes. We know that is going to happen. Miller is a toxic teammate and it's just going to keep happening. It's happened his whole career.Are you meaning that if Petey is traded that Miller then finds another player on the team to act the same way towards? Lekkerimaki or Willander might be next.
As a few observers have said over the past few days, the lack of a "players-only meeting" during all of this is pretty telling. They don't think it will help, obviously. I remember during past struggle sessions they were having them, if not regularly than several times. The fact we haven't heard a peep about the players getting together to hash this out tells you a lot, in my opinion.
The other possibility is they've actually had player-only meetings, but the results were so disastrous they didn't want it publicized.
I think something like this has probably already happened. Maybe multiple times. The behaviour never changed. Likely why they've concluded they have to move at least one of them.Pettersson, Miller and Hughes honestly need a 2 hour closed door meeting to get all of this shit out in the open, address each other's concerns, form a plan to co-exist peacefully (as they will likely never truly be on good terms) and move the f*** on. I'd expect Hughes as the Captain to set something like this up. If either side refuses, at this point they need to be traded from the team because they are not fulfilling their obligations to their teammates.
Leave Tocchet and management out of it entirely, this is on the players to sort out. If this festers any further, they'll see a mass exodus for pennies on the dollar and it's not going to be pretty.
I think something like this has probably already happened. Maybe multiple times. The behaviour never changed. Likely why they've concluded they have to move at least one of them.
Get it done already. Move one of them out (Miller) and move on so we can end this saga.
Kinda goes both ways though. JT might be a jerk but he's not the biggest jerk in hockey by any extent. If Pettersson can be thrown off his game by JT, what's to stop it happening again? Or do the Canucks have to build a team of introverts around him?
My gut feeling is that Pettersson will not survive in this market with or without a JT trade. That may also be the reason that the team is exploring trading him.
Borgen just got himself a huge contract extension and has exceeded most peoples expectations of what he was as a player since his arrival in NYC....shuffling Schneider to the #6 minute man at ES in the process.Kakko has 15 points in 19 games. Bump in ice time and better line mates and PP time has a lot to do with that I'm sure. Laffy coming into his own with a stale Rangers core bringing him back down. Maybe a change would help Laffy blossom as well. Look at how great Miller became after leaving the Rangers. Lol.
I am not surprised the hockey world is blaming Petey for being bullied.
You don't "got" to be bullied, you "get" to be bullied.
Halford and Brough should be ashamed of themselves, just a disgusting piece of victim blaming this morning. Uneffingbelievable.
And people call me . . . oh, yeah, that's right
Allvin mentioned when Miller took his leave that he was proud of him for seeking help. Is Miller in therapy? It's never been mentioned what he sought help for. One could speculate but we won't. Lol.Yes. We know that is going to happen. Miller is a toxic teammate and it's just going to keep happening. It's happened his whole career.
He had a conflict with Horvat. They moved Horvat. He has a feud with Petey. After Petey, it's just going to be someone else.
If you can get Chytil, Lindgren, and a 1st (without Miller retention, of course), then you just take that deal and move on. End the saga, finally. Is management not aware that they can...actually do something about this?I'd take Chytil, Lindgren and a 1st just to get him off the team if it's still on the table. Every day he's still here is one step closer to Hughes eventually leaving. Their 1st is actually looking pretty good this year as well.
Which is exactly why all the bullying Miller is doing to Petey is what opponents say to Petey on the ice every game.There's a lot of people in the world that view others as nothing more than obstacles in their way to success. They step on, tear down and demean others to get to where they want to be. You see it all over the business world, and most of us make 0.009% of what these two make to deal with it.
I am not surprised the hockey world is blaming Petey for being bullied.
You don't "got" to be bullied, you "get" to be bullied.
Halford and Brough should be ashamed of themselves, just a disgusting piece of victim blaming this morning. Uneffingbelievable.
And people call me . . . oh, yeah, that's right
No, I agree with you. Again, as I've been on my "management has refused to take any accountability" soapbox, here is another situation where management refuses to actually do anything to improve the situation. 100% Miller didn't actually do anything to improve himself, like therapy, during his LOA. And rather than letting the feud fester, management could actually bring in some external professional to deal with conflict management. Did they do that? Absolutely not. At the very least, Allvin/JR should be sitting them all down. But the official word we've heard from JR is that he wanted it solved by Miller barking at Petey even more.Allvin mentioned when Miller took his leave that he was proud of him for seeking help. Is Miller in therapy? It's never been mentioned what he sought help for. One could speculate but we won't. Lol.
I've seen comments about players only meetings and hashing things out. Not to mention that these guys are "adults that get paid millions of dollars". I know so many 50 years old that act like teenagers. I started working with one last year. He mentioned at work things he had said to his GF last week and then she would stop talking to him for days after. I had to tell him that what he was saying to her was abuse. His response was "no, she just doesn't understand me, she will get there". I straight up said to him "NO, she doesn't, you're being an a-hole".
My point here is that in these player only meeting that if they don't understand the impact of their actions on others. It's in one ear and out the other. If management wants to win, why don't they have a professional in there to teach these young adults that have too much money. Having money at a young age makes people generally less mature than more.
Sorry, not meaning to bark at you.
Which is exactly why all the bullying Miller is doing to Petey is what opponents say to Petey on the ice every game.
But Miller is his team mate. Miller "stepping on, tearing down and demeaning" Petey - wrecking the team in the process - is inexcusable. Period. End of story.
Stop the victim blaming, it makes one look as bad as Halford and Brough right now.
Which is exactly why all the bullying Miller is doing to Petey is what opponents say to Petey on the ice every game.
But Miller is his team mate. Miller "stepping on, tearing down and demeaning" Petey - wrecking the team in the process - is inexcusable. Period. End of story.
Stop the victim blaming, it makes one look as bad as Halford and Brough right now.
I didn't mean to say Laffy was being held back in the same way that Kakko was. Laffy and Trocheck pretty much the same points this season and Bread man just running away with it. Situation and line mates maybe just don't jive together. They are a plus line together. From time to time when I saw Rangers games, to me Laffy looks good lots of times, like should be near a PPG or at least like .8 PPG good and then you see 30 points in 50 games and scrunch of the brow like what's going on there.Borgen just got himself a huge contract extension and has exceeded most peoples expectations of what he was as a player since his arrival in NYC....shuffling Schneider to the #6 minute man at ES in the process.
Lafreniere plays nearly all his minutes with Panarin and Trocheck....the idea he is being held back because of where he's playing or who his linemates are is more than a little suspect. Maybe he's just not as skilled as people thought he was when he went 1OA. Look at his PP production FFS, he has the same number of PP goals in his career, as Debrusk has as a Canuck.