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[mriswith]

It's pretty hilarious that after all of the made up, pure fantasy, absolute frothing with rage dreamworld narrative that was conjured up around how EP just can't wait to bolt and has been setting the plate to leave in free agency for years............. he steadfastly wants to stay and is theoretically blocking trades to leave while he's slumping and the team sucks.

What a load of crap that narrative was and we had to endure years of it on here.

Is JR just senile this point? Delusional? What does he think his media tour blaming everyone but himself accomplishes? Same with Allvin. Last month does an interview basically just saying everything is everyone else's fault.

Management chose and committed to this group. They "evaluated them" and decided on this core. Now JR says the core sucks and won't get it done. That's on him. If he's now wrong, him and Allvin should not be the ones to remake the roster. By their own words, they can't do the job. Get out and let someone else who can.

He gets to redirect the blame to slumping superstars instead of the defense, which has been the problem since day 1 and is 90% of the problem with this team now and is entirely managements fault.

 

[bossram]

This is an insane quote from Rutherford after everything else he said today:

"We'll deal with our team as normal as we can under these circumstances. And it's what I said earlier: If something makes sense for the Canucks (in a trade), we'll take a look at it, and if it doesn't, the players will stay and continue to try to work through this situation."

*Rutherford blasts everyone in the organization except himself in his self-aggrandizing media tour*

Also Rutherford: Alright boys, business as usual. Keep playing normal. Oh no, don't mind me!

At this point, Rutherford is just showing he's a senile, selfish old man.

 

[xtr3m]

What we lack on the ice, we definitely make up for it off the ice.

 

[bossram]

The biggest head-scratcher was when Rutherford was basically asked by reporters: "If you knew they hated each other, why did you sign them both to long-term contracts?"

The answer, if you can call it that, was while they've known for a long time they didn't get along, by retaining both their star players, they were preserving their trade options moving forward....What?

When rival teams know you're being basically 'forced' to sacrifice one of them, how that 'increase' or even 'protect' their trade value? Just another nonsensical chapter in the long-running Canuck soap opera I guess.

It's ultimately on management. The buck stops at the top. But now both Allvin and JR have gone on their CYA self-aggrandizing media tours to basically blame everyone but themselves. It's pathetic behaviour.

They built this team. They committed to this core. They evaluated this group and decided this is the direction. It is on them and they refuse to take any accountability.

 

[Indiana]

Like, plexiglass covid-style?

Off-Ice.

On-Ice.

 

[bossram]

Time for a cold hard reality check for Rutherford's comments.

The idea that the team can afford to trade Miller and/or Pettersson without receiving back a legitimate top 6 center is insane. Saying they can just get picks/prospects, and then flip those for good core players in other trades whenever convenient is basically delusional (See: the current D and their strategy from last off-season). If it was so easy then there would be plenty of teams doing that currently.

Good 1st/2nd line players that aren't past their prime and an upcoming UFA don't become available very often. Especially centers. And when they do, the team trading them isn't always going to be interested in taking back picks/prospects, they may be seeking a similarly talented player in another position (IE. C for D trade).

If they go through with this it could set this team back pretty far. There are ZERO high-end center prospects in the system. The free agent center market next off-season isn't great, and what top UFA center would want to sign with this team any time soon considering the shitshow currently taking place?

There are currently a bunch of NHL teams wanting to add a top 6 center. Joining that group would be a colossal mistake.

Yep. Trading both essentially bakes in that they will not be a competitive team next season. They are not finding a top-15 1C by converting whatever assets they get in a trade. They'll end up looking like the Calgary Flames of the past decade, just aggressively mediocre with no direction.

Quinn is leaving. Trying to make some slapjob facsimile of a "competitive team" with whatever poo-poo platter of B-tier assets they get in these trades in some pathetic attempt to convince him to stay is going to be a colossal mistake.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

He could legitimately be one hit or fall from LTIR indefinitely.

I remember living through the era of Jeff Skinner and Sidney Crosby when they were proclaimed like this. They are both still kicking around 10 years later. Hockey players need to hockey...most of the time.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I remember living through the era of Jeff Skinner and Sidney Crosby when they were proclaimed like this. They are both still kicking around 10 years later. Hockey players need to hockey...most of the time.

Chytil’s is much serious. I believe has 8 or 9 concussions in his entire playing career.

Edit: 5, 2 in 10 days once.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Chytil’s is much serious. I believe has 8 or 9 concussions in his entire playing career.

Edit: 5, 2 in 10 days once.

Yeah, that's much worse. He's at a point in his career where he should be aware at all times, and playing scared is no way to play. It's sad. At one point I saw serious 2C upside in him. I'd bet on him. I could be very wrong, as well. Often am. Often right, as well. I'm allergic to not having an opinion.

 

[David71]

wonder how the plane rides from city to city would feel like since everyone keeps saying theres lockerroom rifts. 23 guys+ coaches.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

wonder how the plane rides from city to city would feel like since everyone keeps saying theres lockerroom rifts. 23 guys+ coaches.

Even more sad. Plane rides are for the boys and gambling. It must be either divided into 5 cohorts or no one's talking. Who knows.

 

[Isi]

so like..............why did we sign Miller over Horvat

donnie and dhali made clear that the issues go back to Benning/Green's time. why have we doubled down only to end up here

 

[LemonSauceD]

Yeah, that's much worse. He's at a point in his career where he should be aware at all times, and playing scared is no way to play. It's sad. At one point I saw serious 2C upside in him. I'd bet on him. I could be very wrong, as well. Often am. Often right, as well. I'm allergic to not having an opinion.

IMO, he’s barely an upgrade over Suter (I say that mostly cause of size and age) but Suter is honestly one of the most underrated players in the league.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

IMO, he’s barely an upgrade over Suter (I say that mostly cause of size and age) but Suter is honestly one of the most underrated players in the league.

Suter's the guy you bring out on COD for search and destroy or demolition or domination. He does the greasy work so no one has to.

 

[David71]

Suter's the guy you bring out on COD for search and destroy or demolition or domination. He does the greasy work so no one has to.

swiss army knife as rick toccheet would say

 

[Szechwan]

so like..............why did we sign Miller over Horvat

donnie and dhali made clear that the issues go back to Benning/Green's time. why have we doubled down only to end up here

Because Miller is a better player by a fairly wide margin.

They were just banking on two adults being able to work out their differences, which probably turns out fine 9 times out of 10.

But as always, Vancouver is the outlier

 

[me2]

It's ultimately on management. The buck stops at the top. But now both Allvin and JR have gone on their CYA self-aggrandizing media tours to basically blame everyone but themselves. It's pathetic behaviour.

They built this team. They committed to this core. They evaluated this group and decided this is the direction. It is on them and they refuse to take any accountability.

They can't just keep acting like this was dumped on them. They have been here for 3 years and signed almost every contract. Hughes and Garland are the only ones they haven't signed.

It's 100% the team they built.

 

[me2]

so like..............why did we sign Miller over Horvat

donnie and dhali made clear that the issues go back to Benning/Green's time. why have we doubled down only to end up here

Because they tried to move Miller but couldn't get a deal, ran out of time and signed him. Horvat had to go for cap reasons at that point.

 

[Cancuks]

Pettersson doesn't have any trade protection until after the season.

It's pretty hilarious that after all of the made up, pure fantasy, absolute frothing with rage dreamworld narrative that was conjured up around how EP just can't wait to bolt and has been setting the plate to leave in free agency for years............. he steadfastly wants to stay and is theoretically blocking trades to leave while he's slumping and the team sucks.

What a load of crap that narrative was and we had to endure years of it on here.


He gets to redirect the blame to slumping superstars instead of the defense, which has been the problem since day 1 and is 90% of the problem with this team now and is entirely managements fault.

 

[Jack Tripper]

The reality check is that they will now need to trade their top 2 centres and will not receive a top centre back. Unlikely they can trade one and leave the other to get fully blamed for the aftermath.

A total organisational failure, from top to bottom, but ultimately indicating the two members of the leadership group who couldn’t get along and started a complete tear down that risks Hughes leaving in FA.

Classic Canucks.

 

[JT Milker]

It's pretty hilarious that after all of the made up, pure fantasy, absolute frothing with rage dreamworld narrative that was conjured up around how EP just can't wait to bolt and has been setting the plate to leave in free agency for years............. he steadfastly wants to stay and is theoretically blocking trades to leave while he's slumping and the team sucks.

What a load of crap that narrative was and we had to endure years of it on here.


He gets to redirect the blame to slumping superstars instead of the defense, which has been the problem since day 1 and is 90% of the problem with this team now and is entirely managements fault.

2 of our goalies have combined for an 850 sv% and bottom of the league GSAA over 20 games, and our 11.6M C is on pace for 60 points. But the defence that’s top 5-10 in the league at limiting scoring chances is 90% of the problem. It’s not a good defence but come on.

 

[iFan]

If management knew of these big issues between Pettersson and Miller, why did they trade Horvat over Miller? We could have Pettersson Horvat down the middle right now.

 

[Grub]

If management knew of these big issues between Pettersson and Miller, why did they trade Horvat over Miller? We could have Pettersson Horvat down the middle right now.

I think it was a matter of keeping the 2 best players. JT Miller was a 90 plus point center for us, Bo Horvat was never ppg.

 

[Canucker]

I think it was a matter of keeping the 2 best players. JT Miller was a 90 plus point center for us, Bo Horvat was never ppg.

Yep...I don't recall a lot of complaining when Miller put up 100+ points last year...now, because EP and Miller apparently can't maintain a functioning working relationship the revisionist historians think we should have kept Horvat and management has buggered things all up.

 

[ManVanFan]

Well one way he's qualified is by being a recent former Canuck and NHL hockey player and understanding locker room dynamics that come with that.

I assume he has no inside knowledge but to him (and to me) it doesn't make logical sense that Miller would be allowed to actually bully Pettersson for years without someone - player and/or coaches/management - putting an end to it (not to mention Petey re-signing).

As far as we know Richardson and probably some others have thought he's too hard on Petey but it's never gone past that. Miller's not so tough that literally everybody he's ever come across would be too afraid to challenge him on it.

I will say that there likely is a certain jock culture that exists in these locker rooms where certain behavior that would never fly in a standard workplace is tolerated and not seen as anything out of the ordinary. But nobody has any details so it's hard to say if anything has crossed the line or if Pettersson perhaps is too sensitive for that environment (what we keep hearing is he has some sort of "finicky" personality). Based on what his coach and management have said, it seems they've put the onus on him to figure it out.

I will try not to be an A-hole in response to your comment.

Being in a locker room does not make you qualified in mental health.

"It doesn't make logical sense that Miller would be allowed to actually bully Pettersson for years without someone" I'll just end it there. Have you been hiding underground with what happened in the Blackhawks organization. Can't forget about those nice kids on team Canada. I'm sure the list would grow quite a bit if people weren't scared of what has happened to them over the years.

I've never heard anything that Pettersson has had an issue with anyone else being too hard on him. Not In the Allsvenskan or SHL leagues, Not in his first year in Van, not another teammate on the Vancouver Canucks. Just Miller.

When someone publicly comes out and says "I told Miller he was being too hard on him". So someone else in that locker room could see and feel that as well but yes it's all on Petey because "he's too soft for this environment".

You need to be better.