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I would try to just flip Marner for Miller if I was Toronto. If they end up with another 1st round exit, which is probably like 99%, there is no f***ing way they can even talk about extending Marner. At that point they will trade his rights away for peanuts or just let him walk.
Might as well get ahead of that and trade him now instead of betting on him excelling in the playoffs and helping the team win a round.
 
They have the same agent. If they pull that on Petey, you know they're telling Quinn to ditch VAN because they'll "do it to you".
Wouldn't Quinn be eligible for trade protection in his next contract? Surely he will get the full NMC, so Vancouver can't just "do it to you" like they are open to Petey. I think this is a non-issue.

It still doesn't mean Quinn will want to stay, but him worrying about being traded without his permission 8 months after signing his next extension is not a thing.
 
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What really bothers me outside of the obvious reasons this is incredibly disheartening and frustrating, is still the simple question of WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON? Beyond the general trope that Miller is a tough to deal with alpha and Petey is an overly sensitive soul, I still fail to see how that leads to a massive public feud that is close to leading to the ejection of both of these star forwards, the inevitable departure of our best player in franchise history in Hughes, and the loss of our other strong core players in Boeser and Demko, AS WELL AS the complete evaporation of what appeared to be legit stanley cup championship ambitions. All because these two in particular have really polarizing personalities and they can't get along? Lots of players are tough to deal with and teams still integrate them successfully. Lots of players don't get along yet manage to play well together. Yet these two get along SOOO badly that an otherwise competitive looking team is going to fully implode? That either suggests they are both two of the most immature clowns this organization has ever had, or something more sinister and salacious has happened between them. Not looking to begin rumours, just suggesting there has to be more to this story. It just doesn't make sense and that's what really bugs me is that all this media attention and chaos swirling around in broad daylight and yet as fans I don't think we have the full truth to help process what the heck is going other than our really solid team is on the verge of combusting.

dude JUST posted one of the most frank interviews I've ever read from an NHL exec.

there is nothing more "sinister and salacious" happening.
 


While Kypreos doesn't know anything, I think this is an interesting proposal. Rielly has struggled this season (team worse, and it's not close, of -16) and doesn't PK. Has 14 even-strength points. He's still outpacing HDCF vs HDCA although at a pretty low rate (+11). I'd be curious if he was a player that would look a lot better with less responsibility.

I don't really see him as a fit here.

He's an LD that is definitely more offensive than defensive and having a bad season.

Seems like the opposite of what we need.
 

Such great radio
 
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I would try to just flip Marner for Miller if I was Toronto. If they end up with another 1st round exit, which is probably like 99%, there is no f***ing way they can even talk about extending Marner. At that point they will trade his rights away for peanuts or just let him walk.
Might as well get ahead of that and trade him now instead of betting on him excelling in the playoffs and helping the team win a round.


Marner is the player I want, but this only happens if Marner gives TOR a number they just can't abide (a la Rantanen).

Outside of that small chance, he's a Leaf imo.
 
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To me this management team is pretty clearly excellent at certain aspects of running the team and abjectly terrible at others.

Our pro scouting moves have generally been excellent, and the team has also done extremely well to cut bait on moves that didn't work out (Lindholm) and even getting out from bad contracts without paying too much of a price (Mikheyev). The team mostly has not overpaid on contracts and amateur scouting has so far looked reasonably competent.

On the other hand, almost every significant HR issue has been handled extremely poorly, and often publicly. Rachel Doerrie. Zadorov's comments about being dissuaded from signing because of the team's conduct in negotiations. Letting the team's best two forwards getting into an intractable feud in the first place. Now having the team president come out, unprompted, to publicly discuss the problem JUST as the team started to string good performances together and get results. Just a bunch of arrogant, unforced errors that have demonstrably hurt the team's performance.

I like this management team overall and have a lot of confidence in their ability to make hockey moves, but the professionalism problem in the organization is real and is going to continue to negatively affect the on ice product if they can't sort it out.
How tf is this post not getting more likes? Did all you get your emoji privileges revoked, or have you all only been pretending to be intelligent all this time.
 
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Here’s the article in its entirety. I've spoilered the article but it's all there. I bolded the part where the Rutherford quote that Mason chose to omit would go.

Jim Rutherford, president of hockey operations for the Vancouver Canucks, made a career as a small 5-foot-8 goaltender by overcoming any obstacles in his way, but he’s facing one now that he can’t seem to get past. He has two star players who apparently can’t stand one another: top centres J.T. Miller and Elias Pettersson. And it’s put him and the organization in an unfathomable bind.

In the past, he has always felt like he could find a solution to any tricky situation, Rutherford told The Globe and Mail during an interview on Monday, “and I felt like for a long time that there was a solution here because everybody has worked on it, including the parties involved.”

“But it only gets resolved for a short period of time and then it festers again and so it certainly appears like there’s not a good solution that would keep this group together.”

While that may not come as a huge surprise to the Vancouver market – both players’ names have been connected to trades amid reports they have repeatedly clashed – it is still sobering to hear when the president of the team confirms it. And when he admits there is no solution that is likely to make anyone happy, well, then, reality really does sink in.

Of course, personality differences exist in every NHL dressing room. For as long as the league has existed, there have been situations where players haven’t liked one another. You would think that in this case, an alpha male who likes to push his weight around like Miller, 31, and a more sensitive and soft-spoken player like Pettersson, 26, could put their differences aside for the good of the team. But apparently not.

“We’ve had those conversations and I think the parties understand that and I think they’ve tried,” Rutherford said. “As you know, sometimes emotions get deep and as much as people try sometimes you can’t get over it. It certainly appears that’s what’s going on here.”

It is, to put it mildly, a problem that could end up impacting the Canucks for years.

“We’re talking about two of our top players,” Rutherford said. “Certainly, our two best forwards. It can really be tough on a franchise – not only present but into the future – when you’re planning on peaking this team into a contending team and then you find out that’s not going to happen. Or at least it’s not going to happen with the group we have now. Then you have to put together a new plan.”

Last year, this situation seemed, well, unimaginable. The Canucks played a feisty, tightly-structured game that took them to the seventh game of the second round of the playoffs, which they ended up losing to the Edmonton Oilers, an eventual Stanley Cup finalist. It was a safe assumption that the team would take another step this year, and Pettersson in particular would be back to his old, prolific self. But that didn’t happen.

Pettersson hasn’t looked anything like the player who earned an eight-year, nearly $93-million contract last March, making him one of the top-paid forwards in the league. It’s often seemed like the burden of expectations that come with that sort of deal has been too much. Or maybe it’s been the problems he’s experiencing with Miller that has shaken his confidence. Doesn’t matter. He’s been a shell of his former self.

Miller hasn’t looked like the dominant player who roamed the ice last year either, one of the top two-way centres in the NHL. He missed 10 games this season when he had to step away from the team for personal reasons. Who knows if the situation with Pettersson has impacted his game as well. How could it not if it’s as bad as Rutherford makes it out to be?

But the whole team hasn’t looked the same either. This year’s version has, in recent weeks, taken down Toronto, Edmonton and Washington – three of the top teams in the league. But then other times, far too often, they have looked disorganized and disengaged. That’s the maddening part about it.

“When you don’t have chemistry, it’s hard to be that consistent team because there’s too much going on in the room for everybody to concentrate on what they’re supposed to do,” Rutherford said.

I asked Rutherford if he means the Miller-Pettersson drama has impacted the entire team.

“Yes, yup,” he said.

Rutherford and his general manager, Patrik Allvin, are uncertain if removing one of either Pettersson or Miller will fix the problem. “We don’t know,” Rutherford said. “We’ll just have to wait to find out. We’ll have to take it a step at a time. If we try and do it too fast, that’s really when you can make some mistakes.”

Of course, the Canucks’ problems are no secret. The entire world knows. This includes general managers who have been circling the team like vultures looking to make away with an outstanding meal for very little cost. Rutherford said he’d been doing the same if he were in their shoes. But he didn’t earn the reputation he has by buying high and selling low.

If the right deal doesn’t come along, it’s conceivable that both players could finish the season on the team. He said he’d rather not have to trade either player.

As much as he wants to fix the problem, he has to be smart about it. He can’t just sell Pettersson and Miller for multiple first-round picks and start over, for one simple reason – superstar defenceman and captain, Quinn Hughes.

Hughes is just 25 and entering his prime as a player. He could win multiple Norris trophies before his career is over. He does not want to be part of any rebuild in Vancouver. A retool perhaps, a rebuild definitely not.

“If we were going to completely start over that means he goes,” Rutherford told the Globe. “And we’d like to figure out a way that he’s here forever.”

What does that look like?

“We’ll have to do the best we can in trades,” Rutherford said. “Whatever assets you get in return, you may turn them into something else. And we have to work our way back into being a contending team.”

Still, any way you look at it, the Canucks are in a vulnerable – scratch that – are in a lousy, horrible, rotten, just-about-as-bad-as-it-gets position. Both Miller and Pettersson are No. 1 centres. In these times, you don’t trade a No. 1 centre and get a No. 1 centre back. “Those deals aren’t going to be there,” Rutherford acknowledges.

“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in.

“And then, of course, you have to get extra things [in any trade] that you can either use in the future to flip for NHL players now or for other positions or things like that.”

This won’t be music to the ears of Canucks fans, but Rutherford is just being honest. It’s not like he asked for this nightmare to be foisted on him because he was bored with winning.

What the Canucks look like at the end of this season is anyone’s guess. Odds are they are going to look at lot different and likely a lot less appealing. At least for a while.
Wonder if the owner freaked out reading the article, pressure JR to do damage control, JR went to Mason and asked/pressured him into adding that line to take the heat off, and Mason takes the blame for "omitting" the quote?

Seems weird that an experienced writer like Mason just randomly omitted a line that dramatically change the context of the interview.
 
Re: Reilly, the thing about Rielly is if you think you can use him on a power play or not. I'd be game, gives us some Hughes insurance.

Reilly would be a really solid add for this team IMO because his A game comes at ES, and we don't *need* another PP QB. I'm not sure why Toronto moves on from him though - maybe if a full-season collapse occurs.
 


While Kypreos doesn't know anything, I think this is an interesting proposal. Rielly has struggled this season (team worse, and it's not close, of -16) and doesn't PK. Has 14 even-strength points. He's still outpacing HDCF vs HDCA although at a pretty low rate (+11). I'd be curious if he was a player that would look a lot better with less responsibility.


i would do this

rielly is not an all-situations #1 as he's often been asked to be in toronto, but he would be a terrific #3 behind hughes and hronek. most importantly, he would drastically help with getting the puck up the ice when hughes is not on

hughes - hronek
rielly - willander
forbort - myers

is a pretty good defense to go into next season. move soucy to a destination of choice for picks at the draft.

also, miller would probably fist fight matthews at some point, and might quite literally murder marner if he stays, so that alone would be a ton of fun to watch.
 
Change of plans, deal Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, and Demko. Acquire as many draft picks over the next two drafts as possible. Hope Chicago spends heavily in the offseason and offersheet Bedard next year.

I'm in this camp. Hughes will leave for FA but you can trade him for an absolute King's Ransom. He's likely going to win his second consecutive Norris.

You have two generational level talents in McKenna and Dupont available in the next few drafts.
 
I would try to just flip Marner for Miller if I was Toronto. If they end up with another 1st round exit, which is probably like 99%, there is no f***ing way they can even talk about extending Marner. At that point they will trade his rights away for peanuts or just let him walk.
Might as well get ahead of that and trade him now instead of betting on him excelling in the playoffs and helping the team win a round.

Don't see Miller waiving for Toronto at all. It's unfortunate because that front office, media, and fanbase would eat up his act, I think.
 
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Reilly would be a really solid add for this team IMO because his A game comes at ES, and we don't *need* another PP QB. I'm not sure why Toronto moves on from him though - maybe if a full-season collapse occurs.

And at 7.5MM x 5 more years that actually lines up well with Miller's 8MM x 5 more.

Would be a good fit as a 2LD who can log 20 minutes a night.
 
It's official - JR and Allvin are marginally better than Benning and Linden. At best.

They just can't stay out of the f***ing media and we're going to get massively ripped off because of it.

Very clearly doing three things: 1.) Break Aquillini's desire to keep it going 2.) Prep the fans so he doesn't get backlash 3.) Put buyers on final notice.

In that order
 
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Time for a new coach bump. Tocchet is done at the end of the season anyways.



Guy was never anything more than a mediocre coach who benefitted from the stars aligning for 3 months.

Seems like anyone that would flourish here is never available at the right time.
 
Reilly would be a really solid add for this team IMO because his A game comes at ES, and we don't *need* another PP QB. I'm not sure why Toronto moves on from him though - maybe if a full-season collapse occurs.
Honestly I don’t hate the concept of Reilly for Miller—I just don’t think that Miller would waive for Toronto. It would be like going from the pressure cooker to the piranha tank.

I like that Reilly is galvanized to the Canadian-market though. I think he would be help establish a great 1-2 wave in our defense pairs.
 
It's official - JR and Allvin are marginally better than Benning and Linden. At best.

They just can't stay out of the f***ing media and we're going to get massively ripped off because of it.
Agents/players/teams talk behind the scenes. This situation is already extremely well known by anyone who wants to know. The only time teams get truly ripped off is if they make a quick move that surprises everyone because teams didn't know player X was available.

Any team who has an interest in JT or EP have reached out by now.
 
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It's official - JR and Allvin are marginally better than Benning and Linden. At best.

They just can't stay out of the f***ing media and we're going to get massively ripped off because of it.
Can you imagine if this team still had Forsling and McCann? If we'd taken anyone over Virtanen or Juolevi? If we hadn't just let Tanev and Toffoli walk… like you could legit fill a news article per year of Benning's moves and they'd all be missteps. If not for Linden and our scouting grow absolutely brow beating Benning in the 2017 draft, given his track record we probably would've ended up with Cody Glass instead of Pettersson.

FO deserves criticism, for sure, on many fronts. I'm also unhappy with the article. But come on, even when Rutherford retires we'll still be paying OEL. Benning is still in a league of his own.
 
Wonder if the owner freaked out reading the article, pressure JR to do damage control, JR went to Mason and asked/pressured him into adding that line to take the heat off, and Mason takes the blame for "omitting" the quote?

Seems weird that an experienced writer like Mason just randomly omitted a line that dramatically change the context of the interview.
Totally believable. Remember, Aqua set up a burner twitter account to praise himself. All the money in the world but won’t hire and trust a professional PR person.
 
I don't really see him as a fit here.

He's an LD that is definitely more offensive than defensive and having a bad season.

Seems like the opposite of what we need.

While it's not the ideal solution, I don't actually hate it myself. Reilly is far more capable than Soucy, who would be pushed back into the role he's actually suited for while neither would have the responsibility they have now. Reilly's biggest problem with the Leafs is being relied upon to be their #1.

It wouldn't have been my first choice, but I could see a scenario where Reilly in a reduced role actually works out.
 
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