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Do you really believe that's how things work though? That's certainly not how Brisson would council QH on situation.

Absolutely. No player wants to be sent to the worst team in the league when they have just signed a long contract and a NMC in it. If you can't trust management to keep it's word you need to assume they will lie and trade you and negotiate from there.
 
I'll stay with the ol' stand-bys. Friday or Sunday.

Yes, I am completely ignoring that they play on both days.
Lol i had typed friday before i looked at the schedule

Crazy that it's dragged on sofa king long, now the apathy is growing larger daily.
 
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Absolutely. No player wants to be sent to the worst team in the league when they have just signed a long contract and a NMC in it. If you can't trust management to keep it's word you need to assume they will lie and trade you and negotiate from there.

I would hope Hughes can differentiate between a guy who signs a big contract and then plays like shit, versus himself.
 
Hartman, Johansson, Merrill, and Ohgren would just be over 8m. Problem would be Hartman has a NMC and Johansson has an NTC.
Good lord, Guerin gives NTCs/NMCs to everyone.

Could probably force out Johansson. Don't see Hartman waiving.

Would have to take back Trenin to make the money work somewhere.
 
Here’s the article in its entirety. I've spoilered the article but it's all there. I bolded the part where the Rutherford quote that Mason chose to omit would go.

Jim Rutherford, president of hockey operations for the Vancouver Canucks, made a career as a small 5-foot-8 goaltender by overcoming any obstacles in his way, but he’s facing one now that he can’t seem to get past. He has two star players who apparently can’t stand one another: top centres J.T. Miller and Elias Pettersson. And it’s put him and the organization in an unfathomable bind.

In the past, he has always felt like he could find a solution to any tricky situation, Rutherford told The Globe and Mail during an interview on Monday, “and I felt like for a long time that there was a solution here because everybody has worked on it, including the parties involved.”

“But it only gets resolved for a short period of time and then it festers again and so it certainly appears like there’s not a good solution that would keep this group together.”

While that may not come as a huge surprise to the Vancouver market – both players’ names have been connected to trades amid reports they have repeatedly clashed – it is still sobering to hear when the president of the team confirms it. And when he admits there is no solution that is likely to make anyone happy, well, then, reality really does sink in.

Of course, personality differences exist in every NHL dressing room. For as long as the league has existed, there have been situations where players haven’t liked one another. You would think that in this case, an alpha male who likes to push his weight around like Miller, 31, and a more sensitive and soft-spoken player like Pettersson, 26, could put their differences aside for the good of the team. But apparently not.

“We’ve had those conversations and I think the parties understand that and I think they’ve tried,” Rutherford said. “As you know, sometimes emotions get deep and as much as people try sometimes you can’t get over it. It certainly appears that’s what’s going on here.”

It is, to put it mildly, a problem that could end up impacting the Canucks for years.

“We’re talking about two of our top players,” Rutherford said. “Certainly, our two best forwards. It can really be tough on a franchise – not only present but into the future – when you’re planning on peaking this team into a contending team and then you find out that’s not going to happen. Or at least it’s not going to happen with the group we have now. Then you have to put together a new plan.”

Last year, this situation seemed, well, unimaginable. The Canucks played a feisty, tightly-structured game that took them to the seventh game of the second round of the playoffs, which they ended up losing to the Edmonton Oilers, an eventual Stanley Cup finalist. It was a safe assumption that the team would take another step this year, and Pettersson in particular would be back to his old, prolific self. But that didn’t happen.

Pettersson hasn’t looked anything like the player who earned an eight-year, nearly $93-million contract last March, making him one of the top-paid forwards in the league. It’s often seemed like the burden of expectations that come with that sort of deal has been too much. Or maybe it’s been the problems he’s experiencing with Miller that has shaken his confidence. Doesn’t matter. He’s been a shell of his former self.

Miller hasn’t looked like the dominant player who roamed the ice last year either, one of the top two-way centres in the NHL. He missed 10 games this season when he had to step away from the team for personal reasons. Who knows if the situation with Pettersson has impacted his game as well. How could it not if it’s as bad as Rutherford makes it out to be?

But the whole team hasn’t looked the same either. This year’s version has, in recent weeks, taken down Toronto, Edmonton and Washington – three of the top teams in the league. But then other times, far too often, they have looked disorganized and disengaged. That’s the maddening part about it.

“When you don’t have chemistry, it’s hard to be that consistent team because there’s too much going on in the room for everybody to concentrate on what they’re supposed to do,” Rutherford said.

I asked Rutherford if he means the Miller-Pettersson drama has impacted the entire team.

“Yes, yup,” he said.

Rutherford and his general manager, Patrik Allvin, are uncertain if removing one of either Pettersson or Miller will fix the problem. “We don’t know,” Rutherford said. “We’ll just have to wait to find out. We’ll have to take it a step at a time. If we try and do it too fast, that’s really when you can make some mistakes.”

Of course, the Canucks’ problems are no secret. The entire world knows. This includes general managers who have been circling the team like vultures looking to make away with an outstanding meal for very little cost. Rutherford said he’d been doing the same if he were in their shoes. But he didn’t earn the reputation he has by buying high and selling low.

If the right deal doesn’t come along, it’s conceivable that both players could finish the season on the team. He said he’d rather not have to trade either player.

As much as he wants to fix the problem, he has to be smart about it. He can’t just sell Pettersson and Miller for multiple first-round picks and start over, for one simple reason – superstar defenceman and captain, Quinn Hughes.

Hughes is just 25 and entering his prime as a player. He could win multiple Norris trophies before his career is over. He does not want to be part of any rebuild in Vancouver. A retool perhaps, a rebuild definitely not.

“If we were going to completely start over that means he goes,” Rutherford told the Globe. “And we’d like to figure out a way that he’s here forever.”

What does that look like?

“We’ll have to do the best we can in trades,” Rutherford said. “Whatever assets you get in return, you may turn them into something else. And we have to work our way back into being a contending team.”

Still, any way you look at it, the Canucks are in a vulnerable – scratch that – are in a lousy, horrible, rotten, just-about-as-bad-as-it-gets position. Both Miller and Pettersson are No. 1 centres. In these times, you don’t trade a No. 1 centre and get a No. 1 centre back. “Those deals aren’t going to be there,” Rutherford acknowledges.

“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in.

“And then, of course, you have to get extra things [in any trade] that you can either use in the future to flip for NHL players now or for other positions or things like that.”

This won’t be music to the ears of Canucks fans, but Rutherford is just being honest. It’s not like he asked for this nightmare to be foisted on him because he was bored with winning.

What the Canucks look like at the end of this season is anyone’s guess. Odds are they are going to look at lot different and likely a lot less appealing. At least for a while.
 
NJ hasn’t done shit during Quinn’s career either, in fact they’ve had less success than us. And Quinn strikes me as the type of person who wants to carve his own path, his own legacy, as captain and franchise player of a team that has lacked a player of his caliber and any sort of success.

Trading Pettersson and getting someone like Power isn’t a rebuilding move. Neither is trading a regressing Miller. So I’m not sure about this discourse of trading them both signals some sort of rebuild.

This team could very easily go and acquire a player like Barzal or Robert Thomas with the assets gained from trading them both on top of our own and there wouldn’t be a drop off at all.
I think everyone knows NJ is a better team than VAN now and has a better chance at success going forward.

Maybe Quinn does want to do all those things! Or maybe he doesn't want to spend more time in a dysfunctional organization that's a perpetual circus!

VAN isn't going to get Power for Petey. Power is the only asset I would be interested in from BUF. What they'd get is an Eichel-like poo-poo platter of B-tier assets. No, it doesn't "signal" a rebuild, but it will inevitably lead there because replacing Miller and Petey with non-star players will just cause the club to become the 2006-2015 Calgary Flames, slowly circling the drain from mediocrity to bad.

"Very easily" acquire Barzal or Thomas is a stretch. And it's not like those teams are actually good with them as their cornerstone players.
 
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At first blush, the JR interview appears shocking, but it's really nothing new. The insiders have broken most of what has been going on and him confirming said same really doesn't change the landscape. Not even in terms of the value of the return.

In other words, if you're a GM that is now offering less because of JR's admission, you were never really in it to begin with.

A byproduct of his admission may be an extended timeline though. I think that's the angle. They don't want to make a mistake and so are willing to drag this out to the offseason, which is the right move imo.

What he has said here is largely meaningless beyond that, imo.



Edit: I just saw the Gary Mason ommission. Yes, makes complete sense now. It's messaging about a timeline. Everybody knows about everything else JR said.
 
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I have said it before, but I will say it again: ownership f***ed up the whole perceived benefit of having a president with a long term view and a GM with a shorter term focus, and bifurcating those offices, by hiring an old guy who doesn't really have the luxury of taking a long term view who hired his buddy.

In a situation like this, you want the president to be able to step in and look at the long term interests of the team. But instead, we've got basically both JR and Alvin operating in unison.

It may not matter because I really don't know if ownership would even allow management to operate on any plan that isn't "compete now!".

Ya, but let's not forget who owns this team.
I get that Aqua isn't going to let the team do anything that isn't in the immediate short-term interest of trying to "compete".

My problem with JR is that he's become the JT Miller of the front office. When things are bad, he just makes them worse. He's going around leaking things left and right, doing uncritical interviews, causing as much drama and stoking as many fires as possible, all in this service of solely covering his own ass. This was his MO in Pittsburgh too.
 
I think everyone knows NJ is a better team than VAN now and has a better chance at success going forward.

Maybe Quinn does want to do all those things! Or maybe he doesn't want to spend more time in a dysfunctional organization that's a perpetual circus!

VAN isn't going to get Power for Petey. Power is the only asset I would be interested in from BUF. What they'd get is an Eichel-like poo-poo platter for B-tier assets. No, it doesn't "signal" a rebuild, but it will inevitably lead there because replacing Miller and Petey with non-star players will just cause the club to become the 2006-2015 Calgary Flames, slowly circling the drain from mediocrity to bad.

"Very easily" acquire Barzal or Thomas is a stretch. And it's not like those teams are actually good with them as their cornerstone players.

After suffering through the reign of error and now this, I can't imagine Quinn would want to stay for another retool and/or rebuild.
 
Just posting this to remind us of past positive vibes. This team will get there again... sooner than later I hope. 😭



Feels like we’re almost constantly being reminded of just how blessed we were to have these two as the faces of our franchise for so long. Such class, grace, humble humans and terrific hockey players.
 


While Kypreos doesn't know anything, I think this is an interesting proposal. Rielly has struggled this season (team worse, and it's not close, of -16) and doesn't PK. Has 14 even-strength points. He's still outpacing HDCF vs HDCA although at a pretty low rate (+11). I'd be curious if he was a player that would look a lot better with less responsibility.
 


While Kypreos doesn't know anything, I think this is an interesting proposal. Rielly has struggled this season (team worse, and it's not close, of -16) and doesn't PK. Has 14 even-strength points. He's still outpacing HDCF vs HDCA although at a pretty low rate (+11). I'd be curious if he was a player that would look a lot better with less responsibility.

I've always thought the Leafs needed a true #1 defenseman and the lack of a true top guy is what's held them back. Rielly is a very good #2 guy similar to Brent Seabrook in his prime. I would absolutely do that trade.
 
Idk if I've even heard of gary mason until this year, and now he's the mouthpiece. What happened to IMac and when did gary get a glow up

Gary Mason has been here for years, he was with the sun. Actually predates most of the media here.

iMac I believe went rogue in the last year of Bennings reign of error. Aquaman never forgave him and kicked him off the private jet.
 
I do think there is a very realistic path to getting Hughes to sign an extension long term, but it all goes out the window with a Pettersson trade.

The JT Miller bandage should've been ripped off when we traded Bo, but we got caught up in not getting what we would've deemed adequate value.
 
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