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[Michael Dal Swolle]

Reflects my feelings as well. The whole Boudreau fiasco also reflects this.
Overall compared to prior management groups other than Gillis I think this group has done a decent job.

I sat down and tried to think of every HR bungle and still couldn't get them all, haha.

 

[Bgav]

While Kypreos doesn't know anything, I think this is an interesting proposal. Rielly has struggled this season (team worse, and it's not close, of -16) and doesn't PK. Has 14 even-strength points. He's still outpacing HDCF vs HDCA although at a pretty low rate (+11). I'd be curious if he was a player that would look a lot better with less responsibility.

Miller wouldn’t waive to another Canadian team

 

[Jyrki]

While Kypreos doesn't know anything, I think this is an interesting proposal. Rielly has struggled this season (team worse, and it's not close, of -16) and doesn't PK. Has 14 even-strength points. He's still outpacing HDCF vs HDCA although at a pretty low rate (+11). I'd be curious if he was a player that would look a lot better with less responsibility.

Miller in the Toronto media market sounds like a f***ing disaster, I don't think he'd waive to go there even if DeBrusk's stalker decided to target him instead.

 

[TruGr1t]

Gary Mason always had the inside track to and from ownership. If he's saying something it's either from Aquilini or being put on a plate right in front of him.

Yes, all the beat reporters have somewhat held their tongues with the exception of saying "wish I'd got that scoop", but there have been comments. Drance read off all Mason's recent article headlines, which focus exclusively on politics, and then says "now this guy is writing about the Canucks??" Writing is on the wall with that one.

 

[Bleach Clean]

To me this management team is pretty clearly excellent at certain aspects of running the team and abjectly terrible at others.

Our pro scouting moves have generally been excellent, and the team has also done extremely well to cut bait on moves that didn't work out (Lindholm) and even getting out from bad contracts without paying too much of a price (Mikheyev). The team mostly has not overpaid on contracts and amateur scouting has so far looked reasonably competent.

On the other hand, almost every significant HR issue has been handled extremely poorly, and often publicly. Rachel Doerrie. Zadorov's comments about being dissuaded from signing because of the team's conduct in negotiations. Letting the team's best two forwards getting into an intractable feud in the first place. Now having the team president come out, unprompted, to publicly discuss the problem JUST as the team started to string good performances together and get results. Just a bunch of arrogant, unforced errors that have demonstrably hurt the team's performance.

I like this management team overall and have a lot of confidence in their ability to make hockey moves, but the professionalism problem in the organization is real and is going to continue to negatively affect the on ice product if they can't sort it out.

I may be on an island with this one, but I think JR is a shrewd customer for doing this interview right after winning 2 games.

Take the heat off the coach. Take it off his defense. Take it off his GM. Restate what was already known. Increase the potential timeline for a Miller move.

What did he lose? People calling him senile for confirming what already know. Small price.

Ok, now what did he gain? The attention is on him, and not on the organization for prolonging the drama. While at the same time, he obfuscates the timeline of a move after a few wins. The implication being that they can still win in the interim and trading teams lose out on Miller for their respective playoff runs.

This is what a cunning manager does. The shock just has to wear off in order to see it.

Sounds like miller is being traded no matter what

Which is the most reasonable read of the situation, I think.

Miller is open enough to leaving, and is talking to other teams, so he goes for sure. There's enough there to suggest it's an even decision for him (wanting out or resigned to being out). In either case, he doesn't want to be here bad enough to invoke his NTC. He goes regardless.

For Pettersson, it's about resetting the forward corps entirely, against his wish to stay. They have control sans NTC, so they can see what happens.

 

[Cancuks]

Change of plans, deal Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, and Demko. Acquire as many draft picks over the next two drafts as possible. Hope Chicago spends heavily in the offseason and offersheet Bedard next year.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I've always thought the Leafs needed a true #1 defenseman and the lack of a true top guy is what's held them back. Rielly is a very good #2 guy similar to Brent Seabrook in his prime. I would absolutely do that trade.

Agreed until the last sentence, morgan is underwhelming and getting worse.
While he and toronto definitely do better with him as the #2, swapping him for jtm would be robbery for Toronto.

 

[Cancuks]

I want both Miller and Pettersson gone. Can't win with two babies in the dressing room, who can't put personal problems aside for the sake of the team.

 

[Nucker101]

Rielly is in the decline, maybe it’s the new system but I’d be pretty concerned about acquiring him. A guy like Jake McCabe has looked better than him this year

Lol at Kypreos suggesting it would be Miller+ for Rielly

out to lunch

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I want both Miller and Pettersson gone. Can't win with two babies in the dressing room, who can't put personal problems aside for the sake of the team.

Then you also want Hughes gone indirectly, because he isn't sticking around to play with Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Dylan Cozens and Bowen Byram

 

[VanillaCoke]

Change of plans, deal Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, and Demko. Acquire as many draft picks over the next two drafts as possible. Hope Chicago spends heavily in the offseason and offersheet Bedard next year.

Might as well just trade those pieces for him (&jones) right now...

 

[rypper]

An angle we all may have missed:

 

[Szechwan]

I've always thought the Leafs needed a true #1 defenseman and the lack of a true top guy is what's held them back. Rielly is a very good #2 guy similar to Brent Seabrook in his prime. I would absolutely do that trade.

I am really struggling to figure how Reilly is even remotely similar Seabrook, these guys are absolute polar opposites.

 

[xtr3m]

Rielly is in the decline, maybe it’s the new system but I’d be pretty concerned about acquiring him. A guy like Jake McCabe has looked better than him this year

Lol at Kypreos suggesting it would be Miller+ for Rielly

out to lunch

Kypreos trying to get the Leafs fanbase involved to get the views and the clicks.

Nice try but Miller is not waiving to another Canadian team.

 

[me2]

While Kypreos doesn't know anything, I think this is an interesting proposal. Rielly has struggled this season (team worse, and it's not close, of -16) and doesn't PK. Has 14 even-strength points. He's still outpacing HDCF vs HDCA although at a pretty low rate (+11). I'd be curious if he was a player that would look a lot better with less responsibility.

f*** no.

Hughes takes the offensive side of his game away on the PP.

Defensively he's meh.

Reilly-Hronek: $15m committed to the 2nd pair.

I'm no fan of the tall trees strategy but Hughes hronek Reilly based top 4 might be the smallest in the league.

I don't want to trade for a 30+ asset. If they are forced to take a few years to get their act together won't fit the retool.

Maybe if he was a UFA but not as a Miller centrepiece.

 

[Wisp]

lol, franky gave his boy Gary Mason an exclusive with his President of Hockey Ops and Gary went and f***ed him omitting key context.

Re: Reilly, the thing about Rielly is if you think you can use him on a power play or not. I'd be game, gives us some Hughes insurance.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Morgan rielly sucks on the powerplay, one of the reasons they added OELol

 

[TruGr1t]

They have the same agent. If they pull that on Petey, you know they're telling Quinn to ditch VAN because they'll "do it to you".

How does this total hypothetical playout if Hughes tried to rectify the situation and then went to management and said, "well I tried, there's obviously no fixing this, one of these guys has to go." He's got a front-row seat to all of this, it's his dressing room.

 

[StickShift]

How does this total hypothetical playout if Hughes tried to rectify the situation and then went to management and said, "well I tried, there's obviously no fixing this, one of these guys has to go." He's got a front-row seat to all of this, it's his dressing room.

That’s what I think too. I don’t think any of these machinations are happening without Hughes knowing exactly what the dynamics are and exactly what needs to happen.

Frankly, both Miller and Pettersson and undermining his captaincy and his leadership.

Hughes is having success despite Pettersson and Miller—not because of them.

 

[604]

Quinn's gone 100%.

I see that point of view and think it may be crazy offer time (and I’ve suggested it before). That’s why we need to make an offer they can’t refuse for Luke Hughes.

Obviously not where I’d start but maybe:
Miller/Petey + Willander/Lekk + 1st/2nd for Hughes/Hughes.

 

[Szechwan]

I see that point of view and think it may be crazy offer time (and I’ve suggested it before). That’s why we need to make an offer they can’t refuse for Luke Hughes.

Obviously not where I’d start but maybe at the top end:
Miller/Petey + Willander/Lekk + 1st/2nd for Hughes/Hughes.

Or they just stand pat, keep Luke and sign Hughes for free when he hits FA. I know which route I'd go if I were them.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

 

[StickShift]

While Kypreos doesn't know anything, I think this is an interesting proposal. Rielly has struggled this season (team worse, and it's not close, of -16) and doesn't PK. Has 14 even-strength points. He's still outpacing HDCF vs HDCA although at a pretty low rate (+11). I'd be curious if he was a player that would look a lot better with less responsibility.

I’ve long believed that Canadian teams place extra value in players who have already been galvanized within a Canadian market.

Not every player is cut out for the media and fan attention and they crumble under the pressure.

Those that have demonstrated they can handle the pressure should be valued extra. I’m not sure that JT Miller has demonstrated that he could handle the spotlight in Toronto—even if he would be their 4th best player there.

It would be funny to see him in blue/white with a big blingy chain, earring, and shitty arm tattoos though.

 

[nucks88]

That’s what I think too. I don’t think any of these machinations are happening without Hughes knowing exactly what the dynamics are and exactly what needs to happen.

Frankly, both Miller and Pettersson and undermining his captaincy and his leadership.

Hughes is having success despite Pettersson and Miller—not because of them.

The crime of it all is that those two petulant, selfish man children are f***ing up what looks to be the best season a Canuck has ever had and greasing the skids for his way out of town in a couple of years….

 

[xtr3m]

How does this total hypothetical playout if Hughes tried to rectify the situation and then went to management and said, "well I tried, there's obviously no fixing this, one of these guys has to go." He's got a front-row seat to all of this, it's his dressing room.

Someone did report that Hughes had enough of the drama.

When fans say “if A happens then player B is out” it usually never materializes.