Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | LOOKS LIKE GRUB IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!

[potatowejj]

Why do Canucks fans have to put up with a decade of Benning's incompetence followed by this absolute debacle. What in the actual f*ck did we do?

 

[Nuckles]

*Tinfoil hat*

Or maybe Aquilini told him to tweet that out after the fanbase's negative response to the interview

 

[valkynax]

Wow Mason, really.......?

 

[wonton15]

Why do Canucks fans have to put up with a decade of Benning's incompetence followed by this absolute debacle. What in the actual f*ck did we do?

 

[Nuckles]

I wonder if Demko might be on the block. Maybe not right away, but Lankinen has consistently looked much better this year with Demko coming back off yet another injury.

Kevin Woodley said a week or so ago that he's been hearing things in the goalie community about Demko's name being floated around (or something like that)

Edit: this

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Why do Canucks fans have to put up with a decade of Benning's incompetence followed by this absolute debacle. What in the actual f*ck did we do?

…….. I touch myself at night
First the dinosaurs and now this !!

 

[ManVanFan]

Now Jfresh getting involved. This is getting ugly again.



At pretty much his worst he's an 8.1M player.

 

[Jyrki]

Disagree with this framing entirely. NIkita Zadorov over Desharnais/Myers wasn't going to save the Canucks season. There was never a winning core here, and management took too long to identify that, and that is the biggest screwup.

Revisionist history on the Petey/Joshua - Those contracts were universally praised, and the fanbase was clamoring for Petey especially to get locked up. Yes, Hoglander's extension looked bad at the time and worse in hindsight, but again, not a huge issue, and I bet they can move him if they really want to.

A lot of our issues right now stem from the fact our blueline cannot move the puck up the ice consistently, which has caused all kinds of downstream problems and not allowed most of our forwards to perform anywhere close to their potential. Granted Petey was already laboring before this season, but I really do believe management put their dollars in the wrong place in the off-season. Not having JDB's goals wouldn't be anywhere as much of a problem if the other forwards actually got to have possession more often from having better puck movers in the back end.

Not trying to be revisionist on the contract extensions since overall those are moves that most of us would've wanted done at the time. But hollstically speaking, this management group committed a f***ton of dollars for future seasons when there wasn't much room to maneuver to begin with. It's more of an an issue with the cumulative cap commitments moves they had already made.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Yep. That's what I don't get.

If you sell all these guys, there is zero path to even being a vaguely fringe contender in the next two years. Seeing that, and all the dysfunction, do they really think Quinn is sticking around? He's gone, 100%.

You trade Miller AND Petey, you may as well just trade Quinn now. They're heading down the inevitable full rebuild path, whether they like it or not. Might as well try to be in the McKenna and Dupont sweepstakes if that's gonna happen regardless.

NJ hasn’t done shit during Quinn’s career either, in fact they’ve had less success than us. And Quinn strikes me as the type of person who wants to carve his own path, his own legacy, as captain and franchise player of a team that has lacked a player of his caliber and any sort of success.

Trading Pettersson and getting someone like Power isn’t a rebuilding move. Neither is trading a regressing Miller. So I’m not sure about this discourse of trading them both signals some sort of rebuild.

This team could very easily go and acquire a player like Barzal or Robert Thomas with the assets gained from trading them both on top of our own and there wouldn’t be a drop off at all.

 

[valkynax]

Kevin Woodley said a week or so ago that he's been hearing things in the goalie community about Demko's name being floated around (or something like that)

Edit: this

They can trade everyone except for Hughes and maybe Lank for all I care.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Why do Canucks fans have to put up with a decade of Benning's incompetence followed by this absolute debacle. What in the actual f*ck did we do?

We keep asking for it. We'd rather the team be an entertaining mess off the ice if it can't be an entertaining product on it. We are like moths drawn towards the flames some members of the media like to fan.

Everyone's in it for themselves in this city, why would anyone on the team think incongruously?

 

[Darwin101]

What really bothers me outside of the obvious reasons this is incredibly disheartening and frustrating, is still the simple question of WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON? Beyond the general trope that Miller is a tough to deal with alpha and Petey is an overly sensitive soul, I still fail to see how that leads to a massive public feud that is close to leading to the ejection of both of these star forwards, the inevitable departure of our best player in franchise history in Hughes, and the loss of our other strong core players in Boeser and Demko, AS WELL AS the complete evaporation of what appeared to be legit stanley cup championship ambitions. All because these two in particular have really polarizing personalities and they can't get along? Lots of players are tough to deal with and teams still integrate them successfully. Lots of players don't get along yet manage to play well together. Yet these two get along SOOO badly that an otherwise competitive looking team is going to fully implode? That either suggests they are both two of the most immature clowns this organization has ever had, or something more sinister and salacious has happened between them. Not looking to begin rumours, just suggesting there has to be more to this story. It just doesn't make sense and that's what really bugs me is that all this media attention and chaos swirling around in broad daylight and yet as fans I don't think we have the full truth to help process what the heck is going other than our really solid team is on the verge of combusting.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Now Jfresh getting involved. This is getting ugly again.



At pretty much his worst he's an 8.1M player.

Those charts f***ing suck. They aren't wrong. But they still f***ing suck.

 

[rypper]

Just can't trust guys named Gary amirite @bbud?

 

[Bgav]

"we may very well be forced too" Would be funny if this is all just a way to get miller and petey to play better together

 

[ephmrl]

Irresponsible of Mason to leave that out of the article. Changes the meaning quite a bit from “they’re both being traded” to “we’d like to keep both of them, and may if they turn the season around, but we may be forced to move one/both of them otherwise”

My main takeaway is that I find myself incredibly disappointed in both Miller and Pettersson. They’re being paid millions of dollars to play a game and are throwing it all away due to a personality clash. It’s even more frustrating when we have the best player in franchise history on the roster in the middle of his competitive window and they’re on track to have a wasted season in his prime due to the disagreements between the top two centers on the roster. Looks awful on both of them that they haven’t been able to squash this and move forward for the benefit of the team.

 

[krutovsdonut]

The margin of error in pulling off consecutive franchise altering moves and having that be successful in less than a year or two is so slim. Not that it’s impossible or that they shouldn’t try it (they will), but it just feels inevitable that it’ll fail and we’ll end up in the mushy middle again, only to waste two years, lose Hughes and sell off more assets to finally rebuild. The 20 year rebuild.

yeah, it is not easy but it will be quinn's team and i think if you get young guys he can get a lot out of them. the reality is that without at least one topline forward the odds are against us, but many times players do emerge that way.

 

[valkynax]

"we may very well be forced too" Would be funny if this is all just a way to get miller and petey to play better together

I somehow doubt they are that clever.

 

[Nuckles]

View attachment 968536

 

[krutovsdonut]

mason is maybe not used to canuck twitter level kremlinology on his articles.

 

[vancityluongo]

I somehow doubt they are that clever.

idk, it feels as likely as that they're so dumb that they're using gary mason to advertise that these guys are for sale

wouldn't call it a clever play per se, but it feels more sensible than pre-emptive messaging for a liquidation

 

[Hodgy]

time to put rutherford out to pasture. he sounds like he's given up and is just gonna trade both miller and pettersson for scraps and then try to cobble together a middling team to try to convince hughes to stay

They need to let JR go. He's waaaay more trouble than he's worth now.

He's constantly leaking crap out to take the heat off himself, intentionally setting Miller and Petey against each other, and now gives an interview to simultaneously stoke the flames further while absolving himself of any responsibility. He's delusional and it's probably because he's too damn old. Get rid of him.

He'll probably just randomly decide to quit like he did in PIT, right after causing all this drama.

I have said it before, but I will say it again: ownership f***ed up the whole perceived benefit of having a president with a long term view and a GM with a shorter term focus, and bifurcating those offices, by hiring an old guy who doesn't really have the luxury of taking a long term view who hired his buddy.

In a situation like this, you want the president to be able to step in and look at the long term interests of the team. But instead, we've got basically both JR and Alvin operating in unison.

It may not matter because I really don't know if ownership would even allow management to operate on any plan that isn't "compete now!".

While this whole thing has been poorly handled by management, I don't buy the "they've ruined their leverage!" argument. Teams knew what's been up with these two and the situation the Canucks were in. Very little has changed on that front IMO.

Ya. The interview is shocking but doesn't really confirm anything new. Its shocking because the rumours were just that, rumours, and its a totally different thing for the president to come out and basically confirm everything, and even go farther than some rumours have.

But from a leverage perspective, GMs were almost certainly trying to pay pennies on the dollar for Miller and Pettersson since they were distressed assets, and were probably also leveraging the fact that the Canucks wanted to make the trade quick and make the whole issue go away. So, by coming clean with the public, at least management can tell other managers that they aren't in a rush, and that its publicly known that the team is a mess. Its kind of like how some people deal with being blackmailed.

Yep. That's what I don't get.

If you sell all these guys, there is zero path to even being a vaguely fringe contender in the next two years. Seeing that, and all the dysfunction, do they really think Quinn is sticking around? He's gone, 100%.

You trade Miller AND Petey, you may as well just trade Quinn now. They're heading down the inevitable full rebuild path, whether they like it or not. Might as well try to be in the McKenna and Dupont sweepstakes if that's gonna happen regardless.

Ya, but let's not forget who owns this team.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Wow, this is pretty egregious to leave out and completely changes the prior context. While I still don't love Rutherford's interview, it initially sounded more like they were just done and trading everyone. Now it's framed far more neutral of "we'll trade them if that's how things turn out, but we'd much rather keep everyone."

Kind of get the impression Gary was desperate for clicks and the media as a whole is trying to force something to happen.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Idk if I've even heard of gary mason until this year, and now he's the mouthpiece. What happened to IMac and when did gary get a glow up

 

[bossram]

Isn't Guerin the GM of team USA for 4 nations that picked Miller.

Yes.