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PuckMunchkin
Very Nice, Very Evil!
I think it was a rather clumsy way to try to negotiate Boeser's asking price down, in public.
PuckMunchkin
Very Nice, Very Evil!
No need for name calling but the post you are replying to is 100% correct.If you say so, I guess I'll take your word for it. I don't really concern myself with outside opinion, let alone my own.
If you want to resort to name-calling, can we at least please do it on a forum made for kids? I'll be able to express myself a lot more clearly there.
Reverend Mayhem
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Personally, I don't have much good to say about it. I was willing to talk hockey and he wanted to disagree and got off-track not wanting to hear me out or ask further questions, so that's what he got - a disagreement.
You want to talk hockey, have at it. We'll have a discussion on that, but eventually the topic will go back to "what are people's true motivations" and you'll have to either assume both the team's, Brock's, and Ruthervin's, or ignore that psychology is a core competent of all negotiation.
Shit, I don't make those rules man. That's Hammurabi-age shit. But you can't say business is ruthless without consequence. Everything has a price. Even Gretzky, a man without compare in this league...has a price.
It's just about paying the right price.
Rick Rocket
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I still think Allvin is full of sh*t, but anyone is better than Benning.
me2
Go ahead foot
No way it was Willander IMHO. Ep2 and Lek would be no's from the Canucks. Gets iffy after that. I could see Carolina thinking they could get
kud or mynio.
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me2
Go ahead foot
I don't think they actually want to sign Boeser. Given they choice they would happily move on and replace him with one of their guys. They need to sum make half an effort. If he signs cheapthey will live with that or they get their guy and let him walk.
PuckMunchkin
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Then offering him contracts is a really bad idea.
lawrence
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ok lets say we were comfortably in a playoff position right now. the plan was probably to keep him on for a run. The plan was always to make the playoffs, so "selling" wasn't exactly the best idea. By trade deadline, we were one point behind the final playoff spot, if the plan was to make the playoffs then its unlikely we were going sell. I feel the management did keep the options to sell only for our UFA's and only if the asking price was met, which it wasn't and we were comfortable enough to keep Boeser. To be honest, he's not having a very solid season. on pace for 52 points in 75 games, its obvious the counter offers werent up to par anyways.
Bourne Endeavor
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So, in other words. Carolina wanted to fix their string of dumbassery by trying to screw us over. Well, I'm just glad they'll continue to be irrelevant.
All that said, I had a feeling the reason we didn't make any trades was teams trying to rip us off given how our season's gone. Turns out, that's exactly what they were doing. Sucks, but I'd rather lose Boeser for nothing than give Carolina anything.
Just the audacity of it is something else. They're acting like KK is still worth his 3rd overall status. Kid's barely worth a 3rd round pick at this point.
I believe Forbort will get at least $2M in the summer market, if he finishes the season healthy. He’s had the misfortune of going into contract UFA summers injured, and put on a show me contract. First, after missing most of season w LA/Calgary, signs 1 year $1M contract w Winnipeg. Does well, Bruins sign him 3 years. Hurt his final year, signs 1 year $1.5 with us. Does well….. and next????? He’s always been an elite PK who has played up and down the lineup, but really excels at 3rd pairing. Forbort was a big part of Boston’s record breaking season two years ago, with elite PK. He’s worth more than pennies to many different teams if healthy.
They're willing to keep him but only on a very team friendly deal.
It's clear they are willing to lose him for nothing. Obviously there's an argument to be made that it isn't a wise course of action but that's a different story.
SopelFanThe3rd
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Our last 6 games are gonna be brutal. Dallas, Colorado, Vegas twice and Minnesota.
Hopefully all those teams are resting players and sleepwalking into playoffs by then lol
Hopefully all those teams are resting players and sleepwalking into playoffs by then lol
Nucker42
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It's pretty insulting of Carolina to think that they can offload their mistake as a cap dump along with a 1st round pick for Boeser and a prospect of worth (like, Kud and Mynio are not ... Anthony Romani). Particularly because they have tried this before with Allvin and failed.
The key assumption you make is that asset we get back for Boeser will actually make a difference.
Like I said, there is a cost which is telling the room we are mailing it in. That cost is simply not worth it when the whole focus is to get Quinn to buy in and stay.
Your whole thesis for getting that pick is that you hope that somebody shakes loose before the draft and somehow the price is really low and we can get that guy for a 1st and two 2nds even though this draft is crap and 2nd rounders are worth much less. Sorry, that’s not happening, the most probable outcome of getting that 2nd round for Brock is that we’ll just use it as a draft pick and that super unlikely to improve the team at all in the next like 3-5 years.
That’s why Canes should go f*** themselves. Hope they crash out of the 1st round
I hope Nikishin whove they been waiting on for like 4 years now requests to be traded or announces a KHL extension just to screw with them even more
Bourne Endeavor
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How do we accumulate assets when they're not being offered? Florida backed off on trade talks when Marchand because available since he was dirt cheap. Meanwhile, Carolina tried to once again nickel and dime us. It doesn't sound like Minnesota was in on him, probably because buying when they're missing key players just isn't worth it. Especially not on a player they likely think they have a good shot at in the off season for free.
So unless you want to dump Boeser for whatever we could get, there just wasn't an option out there.
strattonius
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Then why are you here? Find a better hobby that fulfills you.
Things are not last year and that really sucks that we are struggling right now. Felt like we had momentum coming in to this season. But this give up, sulky, pouty victim complex some of our fans are carrying around is absolutely pathetic. And sorry to pick on you Nucker, but there's a bunch of you with this attitude and it's like correcting my 5 year old when she's having a bad day.
sting101
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Generally speaking i agree with the sentiment that either you are trying to make yourself better for this year when you have a chance to win or you should be trying to *double up at the draft and arming yourself to be better the following seasons. *By double up i mean top100 picks and of course those should be in play for what you need with respect to your core
Letting Boeser whether you like him or not walk is not exactly arming for future seasons and will and should be met with criticism especially from a management team that came into this organization making claims about haven't won anything yet and then being responsible for Horvat and then Miller getting shipped out with Boeser in tow and replacing them with what. Hronek M.Pettersson Chytil? All 3 are good players don't get me wrong but what a fuxxing disaster.
All that being said ownership and management are not in the business of throwing away potential playoff seasons and the chance to go on a run. Much of the investment in boxes and tickets for the team have little care for next year or 2-3yrs from now and you can bet the Coaches and players who worked their asses off to get to this opportunity feel the same.
In the end re:the deadline i can see why PA told teams to pound sand and we'll be ok. Hopefully the Boeser party and ours can come to an agreement that makes sense so we don't just throw another respected person under the bus and then end up getting a lesser player in free agency to keep this march to mediocrity going
Letting Boeser whether you like him or not walk is not exactly arming for future seasons and will and should be met with criticism especially from a management team that came into this organization making claims about haven't won anything yet and then being responsible for Horvat and then Miller getting shipped out with Boeser in tow and replacing them with what. Hronek M.Pettersson Chytil? All 3 are good players don't get me wrong but what a fuxxing disaster.
All that being said ownership and management are not in the business of throwing away potential playoff seasons and the chance to go on a run. Much of the investment in boxes and tickets for the team have little care for next year or 2-3yrs from now and you can bet the Coaches and players who worked their asses off to get to this opportunity feel the same.
In the end re:the deadline i can see why PA told teams to pound sand and we'll be ok. Hopefully the Boeser party and ours can come to an agreement that makes sense so we don't just throw another respected person under the bus and then end up getting a lesser player in free agency to keep this march to mediocrity going
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I tend to agree. I would have preferred a longer term approach, but we’ve got a shot at the playoffs, and despite what some think on here, I think this team is built for the playoffs and could do some damaged. Reminds me of the Islanders five years ago. Not going to be a great regular season team with such anemic scoring, but when the playoffs start (if we make it) scoring drops and the teams that can win tight scoring games always seem to do well.
