Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Countdown to play Resuming

[Curm]

IMac, of all guys, appears to have stirred the pot somewhat.

I don't believe the other rumour about the Sedin relationship, but who really knows at this point.

I also wouldn't put much weight in what Drance says. He would have rather seen the U.S. win the other night so he could say he was right, instead of having Canada win and admit that he was wrong. Of course, he had to make excuses after Canada spoiled it for him. That's who he is.

Since the 4 Nations, EP40 has 1 PP assist and is a -1 in 2 winnable games where they've scored only 2 goals as a team.

 

[wonton15]

we are really missing jt miller, that guy was dynamite. i dont think think this team can ever hope to truly content until we find his replacement. even if pettersson becomes a 100 point player, is it enough? petey looked like a true superstar in the making in his rookie season, and in his 100 point season he looked like he was quietly making small smart plays and picking up a lot of secondary assists. i think we need a jt miller replacement to sign as ufa and it would be like sunlight that would help brock and pettersson blossom. like jt miller and hughes were the pillars that kept this building up and we just lost half the pillars with jt gone and its starting to buckle in on itself.

I’ve been saying this. We needed another ‘star’ forward with Miller here to truly take that next step. With him out, we now need at least a miracle in Rantanen and someone else like a Ehlers (if Boeser’s out) to push us back into a similar position. All that and Pettersson regaining form is the perfect storm that we’ll need in the next 2 years otherwise we just turn into the Nashville Predators.

 

[Vector]

And if a moderator has really great summaries, but terrible takes, is there a way to just get the summaries.....

Follow that moderator’s twitter and Blue Sky accounts.

LONG LIVE THE WHALE

 

[MS]

Appealing to authority with the team's medical staff is... Well... You fill in the blank. Nobody here should not be giving them the benefit of the doubt given the history. Anyone here who distrusts what is going on is right to.

This sounds like flat-eartherism.

The trained medical professionals (and these aren't guys fresh out of med school - they're working for a billion dollar sports franchise because they're at the top of their profession) evaluating something first-hand are overwhelmingly likely to be doing so correctly. It's not 'fact' but to go to a default assumption that they're wrong is just ... wtf.

Fans on the internet are not likely to be evaluating things correctly. But apparently because Tanner Pearson got a hand infection 3 years ago we can just ignore the medical staff and invent injury narratives for our favourite players.

I don't think the media is harder here than Toronto or Montreal, or any Canadian City really... but I mean if a media member says the media that they are apart of isn't hard then it must be true

Drance literally came out today and said that he's buried damaging interactions with Pettersson and been soft on him. Is he lying?

It isn't really a straight appeal to authority though since many posters are merely pointing out that management / medical staff have information we don't have. So, the argument isn't to given credence to their actions because they are an authority, but to do so because they obviously have information we don't have.

Plus, an appeal to authority is when the authority isn't qualified on the subject. But the HF posters criticizing the Canucks medical staff, by and large, have zero qualifications where at least the Canucks medical staff are qualified in the medical profession. So it mostly isn't even an appeal to authority.

With that said, the medical staff definitely could have screwed things.


For all the lists of injuries put together by posters on here, who are almost always not medically qualified to even analyze the information, I have never seen anyone even attempt to try to put how these injuries were handled in context with the medical industry as a whole, and more importantly, within the context of NHL teams. At best they are just a list of injuries with outcomes that the poster thinks are worse than industry standard but has provided zero evidence for. Like, sure, NHL players will get injured, and there are a range of potential treatments with a range of potential risks, and sometimes the players who get injured realize some of those risks, and sometimes, in hindsight the best treatment option is not picked. And sometimes, outcomes are just bad. And sometimes, the medical practitioners are just bad and are negligent.

So, ya, the Canucks medical staff might suck. I don't know. You don't know. And no one has put together any compelling argument that they do suck other than just list a bunch of injuries without any real context.


Drance said that he has been soft on Petey so its true unless you think he's lying?

All of this.

This thing where fans here just assume the team's doctors are wrong about everything is just bizarre. And it's based on things like Mikheyev that aren't even 'mistakes'.

 

[racerjoe]

This sounds like flat-eartherism.

The trained medical professionals (and these aren't guys fresh out of med school - they're working for a billion dollar sports franchise because they're at the top of their profession) evaluating something first-hand are overwhelmingly likely to be doing so correctly. It's not 'fact' but to go to a default assumption that they're wrong is just ... wtf.

Fans on the internet are not likely to be evaluating things correctly. But apparently because Tanner Pearson got a hand infection 3 years ago we can just ignore the medical staff and invent injury narratives for our favourite players.




Drance literally came out today and said that he's buried damaging interactions with Pettersson and been soft on him. Is he lying?



All of this.

This thing where fans here just assume the team's doctors are wrong about everything is just bizarre. And it's based on things like Mikheyev that aren't even 'mistakes'.

see previous answer to Hodgy.

 

[MS]

I wouldn't call it soft, I wouldn't call it hard. I just don't think our media is good is the problem.

Drance is a great example. I like him for the record, but once he has an opinion he is general very dug in, and rarely looks at new information. He often will die on hills, when looking at new information could change an opinion.

I know that doesn't really matter for the point that is being made.

You said as much in your last sentence, but whether the media here is 'bad' has nothing to do with whether they're soft.

I don't think Pettersson is great with the media... there is probably a lot of people to blame for that including Pettersson himself. I just don't think some of it is a really big deal and his answer from today doesn't move the needle for me in any direction for being a sign of anything. I think if he was having a great season and a similar question was asked he probably would have answered similarly. Should he answer that way? Probably not, but its a non story to me.

I mean, if it was a one-off ... sure.

But this stuff has happened multiple times (plus however many have been buried by guys like Drance), we have reports he doesn't get along with the Sedins, he's been called out by the coach and the GM on multiple occasions, he's had issues getting along with teammates, you had Boat Cruises with Elliotte, and on and on. At some point the pattern just kind of indicates that this is a bad apple and a profoundly difficult human being.

 

[Wisp]

This sounds like flat-eartherism.

@Vector did ask us to be respectful. Please refrain from replying to me if you're incapable of doing so. Also please don't pretend there isn't smoke here. Quinn Hughes himself publicly called out the medical staff for how they handled Tanner Pearson's hand. The handling of Mikheyev's tear is questionable at best. No one's calling them quacks or calling science fake because there's a suggestion that there's something questionable going on for how the sports-medicine thing is handling things.

 

[theguardianII]

A possible out for Allvin.
A three way trade.
Can it happen, who knows but it is possible.

Carolina finds they can't re-sign Rantenen.
They trade him straight across for Pettersson, maybe the Canucks add a wee bit of a sweetener but Carolina bail themselves out somewhat.
Canucks take Rantenen and either keep him as a rental and then trade his rights just before or as soon as they can.
Or they trade him immediately retaining some of half his remaining contract back to Colorado for Necas.

IMO that's a win

 

[MS]

@Vector did ask us to be respectful. Please refrain from replying to me if you're incapable of doing so. Also please don't pretend there isn't smoke here. Quinn Hughes himself publicly called out the medical staff for how they handled Tanner Pearson's hand. The handling of Mikheyev's tear is questionable at best.

None of us has the slightest idea whether Pearson was mis-handled by Canucks staff, whether he was mis-handled by external surgeons who are not Canucks staff and would have nothing to do with this situation, or whether Pearson was unlucky and the infection had nothing to do with anything anyone had done wrong and the whole thing was just bad gossip from a group of dudes in their early 20s.

I literally see nothing wrong with how Mikheyev was handled. And these things are done in concert with the player who desperately wanted to play.

The problem here is that there have probably been 100+ injuries of various sorts between Vancouver and Abbotsford over the last 3 or 4 years. Even if they absolutely bungled the Pearson thing, it's like 1% of the injuries they've dealt with. It doesn't somehow make it 'likely' they've screwed up or that they've got it wrong or serve as a basis for conspiracy theories that they're wildly incompetent. And getting to the point where you're making posts like your last post is the same sort of thinking that gets people from 'the government lied about this thing once' to 'earth is flat/moon landing faked/vaccinations cause autism/NEVER TRUST ANYONE'. And I'm not saying that to be 'disrespectful'. I just find this whole medical staff narrative to be bizarre and extremely faulty logic.

 

[racerjoe]

You said as much in your last sentence, but whether the media here is 'bad' has nothing to do with whether they're soft.



I mean, if it was a one-off ... sure.

But this stuff has happened multiple times (plus however many have been buried by guys like Drance), we have reports he doesn't get along with the Sedins, he's been called out by the coach and the GM on multiple occasions, he's had issues getting along with teammates, you had Boat Cruises with Elliotte, and on and on. At some point the pattern just kind of indicates that this is a bad apple and a profoundly difficult human being.

For the most part what does that say... that he is bad with the media...

I am not sure I believe the Sedin thing... I want to hear other people talk about it, mainly because I can't see the sedins not getting a long with anyone... they are too good more than anything.

He hasn't gotten a long with one teammate who was kicked off the team. By all accounts he gets a long with others.

Like is he having a bad season? Yes. I don't think this media stuff has much to do with it, and it may bother Pettersson, and he is definitely not good at it. but does it make a lick of difference in his play? Nope. He has still had a bad season and this is just more piling on.

 

[I am toxic]

Petey: My knee is bothering me

Toccs: Can you move it?

Canucks "medical" staff: What's a knee?

Petey, bending his knee: yeah, I can move it but it is bothering me

Toccs: take some painkillers and shut up about it

Canucks "medical" staff: oooooh, so that's what a knee is

Toxic: <silence, did not know Petey's knee was sore>

Later that year

Petey: my knee is getting worse, I need more pain killers now

Toccs: whatever, take more pills and shut up

Canucks "medical" staff: we have morphine, no worries

"Fans": Petey's play has fallen off a cliff, but he can't be injured or he would not be played. He has character issues

Even later that year:

Petey: yeah, I developed tendinitis in my knee, noticed it in January

Toccs: it's not an injury

Canucks "medical" staff: what's tinnitus?

Toxic: tendinitis would explain both a drop in play like witnessed, as well as being able to play when masked with painkillers. Not a good idea because acute tendinitis is only an inflammation, but continuing to strain it will inevitably cause tears and lead to chronic tendinitis - damage that is permanent unless removed thru surgical techniques. Having played thru it for several months, the only possibility is chronic. While acute could have been treated in a couple months back when it was first mistreated back in January 2024, chronic will take many months, most likely a year given that the inflamed knee was abused for several months

"Fans": he's getting paid $96m, suck it up buttercup

Toxic: well, he did suck it up and played thru the injury, which was the exact opposite of what he should have done. Had it been treated properly - and immediately - Petey would have been healthy for the playoffs and the team likely gets to the Cup finals last spring

Canucks "medical" staff: we don't see how ringing in the ears is a problem, we get that all the time when we stumble out of a nightclub at closing time

Next year

Media spouting the company propaganda: Petey had 4 months off, and he still sucks. Guy has character issues

"Fans": Petey had 4 months off, and he still sucks. Guy has character issues

Toccs: he's not injured

Petey: I have to say whatever it takes to not get traded until July 1, then I have a say where I go

Toxic: well duh, 4 months would have been more than enough for the inflammation Petey had in January last year, but he needs surgical procedures and about 12 months to deal with the permanent scarring and damage to the tendon he developed while playing thru the pain. And since he didn't get 12 months and he didn't get surgery, he must still be aggravating the injury. So he must be taking anti inflammatories and painkillers

"Fans": Toxic, that is pure conjecture, the Sedin's dog knows more than you, and you are toxic

Toxic: it's true I am toxic, but I actually have . . .

"Fans": Toxic, you are toxic. Just end it there. It's not like you have inside information

Reddit: here is video of Petey skating at 4 nations practice, looks explosive


Toccs: he isn't injured

Toxic: anyone can look good in practice, games are another thing entirely. As you can see, it's his right knee that has the problem

"Fans": Toxic, that is pure conjecture, the Sedin's dog knows more than you, and you are toxic

Toxic: it's true I am toxic, but I actually have . . .

"Fans": Toxic, you are toxic. Just end it there. It's not like you have inside information

Canucks "medical" staff: let's take notes on how MacAvoy was treated, if we could repeat that it would improve our performance

Reddit: here is a photo of Petey icing his right knee

Toccs: he isn't injured

Canucks medical staff: we are not sure how icing the knee will help with ringing in the ears

Toxic: the right knee? Who could have known? I mean, other than the Sedin's dog

"Fans": Toxic, you are toxic. Just end it there. It's not like you have inside information

Media spouting the company propaganda: the Sedins don't see eye to eye with Petey. They are warriors, Petey has character issues

"Fans": the Sedins don't see eye to eye with Petey. They are warriors, Petey has character issues

Toxic: the Sedin's entered the league when it was rougher and tougher, and they were able to play thru it. However Petey doesn't have the same type of injuries they had, and playing thru tendinitis actually makes it worse over time. And because I know other stuff that was never made public, I can say it is a bit of a blind spot for the Sedin's

"Fans": Toxic, that is pure conjecture, the Sedin's dog knows more than you, and you are toxic

Toxic: well at least we can agree on one thing

- I am toxic

 

[Bobby9]

Brock
For
Yager

Let the Jets enjoy him for the post season

Brock
For
Cristall

Team Ovi gets a playoff performing winger. Canucks get a VanCity kid

 

[MS]

For the most part what does that say... that he is bad with the media...

I am not sure I believe the Sedin thing... I want to hear other people talk about it, mainly because I can't see the sedins not getting a long with anyone... they are too good more than anything.

He hasn't gotten a long with one teammate who was kicked off the team. By all accounts he gets a long with others.

Like is he having a bad season? Yes. I don't think this media stuff has much to do with it, and it may bother Pettersson, and he is definitely not good at it. but does it make a lick of difference in his play? Nope. He has still had a bad season and this is just more piling on.

Am I the only one who remembers Pettersson being asked about the Sedins as a rookie and being extremely dismissive? At the time he was killing it and most everyone (including myself) wrote it off as 'oh, he's just young and brash/confident and it's not a bad thing that he's that way' but that certainly popped into my head today.

I don't remember all the details or have a link or a quote or anything, not sure if anyone else recalls or has a link.

As for the media stuff, in a vacuum it doesn't make a difference, no. And if he was like Hronek and he didn't like doing media stuff but that was the end of it, whatever. But at this point we have a pretty long pattern of this player being difficult and struggling to get along with teammates/management/media and I feel like these personality flaws are probably pretty intrinsically tied to his very erratic play throughout his career.

 

[Agent007]

This Petey stuff is getting wild. Some of the offers people are willing to accept just to get him off the books my goodness. You can want to move him before July 1st and make a reasonable case but dumping him without getting anything in return how exactly does that help this team keep Hughes?

Even if you have made up your mind you still have got to want to get some kind of value out of that trade (and quite frankly we need a Center one way or another).

 

[theguardianII]

Petey: My knee is bothering me

Toccs: Can you move it?

Canucks "medical" staff: What's a knee?

Petey, bending his knee: yeah, I can move it but it is bothering me

Toccs: take some painkillers and shut up about it

Canucks "medical" staff: oooooh, so that's what a knee is

Toxic: <silence, did not know Petey's knee was sore>

Later that year

Petey: my knee is getting worse, I need more pain killers now

Toccs: whatever, take more pills and shut up

Canucks "medical" staff: we have morphine, no worries

"Fans": Petey's play has fallen off a cliff, but he can't be injured or he would not be played. He has character issues

Even later that year:

Petey: yeah, I developed tendinitis in my knee, noticed it in January

Toccs: it's not an injury

Canucks "medical" staff: what's tinnitus?

Toxic: tendinitis would explain both a drop in play like witnessed, as well as being able to play when masked with painkillers. Not a good idea because acute tendinitis is only an inflammation, but continuing to strain it will inevitably cause tears and lead to chronic tendinitis - damage that is permanent unless removed thru surgical techniques. Having played thru it for several months, the only possibility is chronic. While acute could have been treated in a couple months back when it was first mistreated back in January 2024, chronic will take many months, most likely a year given that the inflamed knee was abused for several months

"Fans": he's getting paid $96m, suck it up buttercup

Toxic: well, he did suck it up and played thru the injury, which was the exact opposite of what he should have done. Had it been treated properly - and immediately - Petey would have been healthy for the playoffs and the team likely gets to the Cup finals last spring

Canucks "medical" staff: we don't see how ringing in the ears is a problem, we get that all the time when we stumble out of a nightclub at closing time

Next year

Media spouting the company propaganda: Petey had 4 months off, and he still sucks. Guy has character issues

"Fans": Petey had 4 months off, and he still sucks. Guy has character issues

Toccs: he's not injured

Petey: I have to say whatever it takes to not get traded until July 1, then I have a say where I go

Toxic: well duh, 4 months would have been more than enough for the inflammation Petey had in January last year, but he needs surgical procedures and about 12 months to deal with the permanent scarring and damage to the tendon he developed while playing thru the pain. And since he didn't get 12 months and he didn't get surgery, he must still be aggravating the injury. So he must be taking anti inflammatories and painkillers

"Fans": Toxic, that is pure conjecture, the Sedin's dog knows more than you, and you are toxic

Toxic: it's true I am toxic, but I actually have . . .

"Fans": Toxic, you are toxic. Just end it there. It's not like you have inside information

Reddit: here is video of Petey skating at 4 nations practice, looks explosive


Toccs: he isn't injured

Toxic: anyone can look good in practice, games are another thing entirely. As you can see, it's his right knee that has the problem

"Fans": Toxic, that is pure conjecture, the Sedin's dog knows more than you, and you are toxic

Toxic: it's true I am toxic, but I actually have . . .

"Fans": Toxic, you are toxic. Just end it there. It's not like you have inside information

Canucks "medical" staff: let's take notes on how MacAvoy was treated, if we could repeat that it would improve our performance

Reddit: here is a photo of Petey icing his right knee

Toccs: he isn't injured

Canucks medical staff: we are not sure how icing the knee will help with ringing in the ears

Toxic: the right knee? Who could have known? I mean, other than the Sedin's dog

"Fans": Toxic, you are toxic. Just end it there. It's not like you have inside information

Media spouting the company propaganda: the Sedins don't see eye to eye with Petey. They are warriors, Petey has character issues

"Fans": the Sedins don't see eye to eye with Petey. They are warriors, Petey has character issues

Toxic: the Sedin's entered the league when it was rougher and tougher, and they were able to play thru it. However Petey doesn't have the same type of injuries they had, and playing thru tendinitis actually makes it worse over time. And because I know other stuff that was never made public, I can say it is a bit of a blind spot for the Sedin's

"Fans": Toxic, that is pure conjecture, the Sedin's dog knows more than you, and you are toxic

Toxic: well at least we can agree on one thing

- I am toxic

A parody.

The NHLPA gets involved. Canucks get fined three 1st round picks!

 

[racerjoe]

Am I the only one who remembers Pettersson being asked about the Sedins as a rookie and being extremely dismissive? At the time he was killing it and most everyone (including myself) wrote it off as 'oh, he's just young and brash/confident and it's not a bad thing that he's that way' but that certainly popped into my head today.

I don't remember all the details or have a link or a quote or anything, not sure if anyone else recalls or has a link.

As for the media stuff, in a vacuum it doesn't make a difference, no. And if he was like Hronek and he didn't like doing media stuff but that was the end of it, whatever. But at this point we have a pretty long pattern of this player being difficult and struggling to get along with teammates/management/media and I feel like these personality flaws are probably pretty intrinsically tied to his very erratic play throughout his career.

The Sedin thing sounds vaguely familiar, but I still don't think it is much than a guy being bad with the media, not a guy who isn't get a long with the twins. maybe he shouldn't have the A so he didn't have to talk to the media like Hronek. Again he is bad at it.

It seems our big difference here is I don't see the teammates thing. I also believe the majority of the management thing is due to whatever is currently nagging him (my opinion injury last year, then poor training from the injury this season).

 

[IComeInPeace]

Am I the only one who remembers Pettersson being asked about the Sedins as a rookie and being extremely dismissive? At the time he was killing it and most everyone (including myself) wrote it off as 'oh, he's just young and brash/confident and it's not a bad thing that he's that way' but that certainly popped into my head today.

I was going to post this earlier (I’ve often thought of it since I first heard it during the original broadcast):

EP40 was killing it in his rookie season…

…during a broadcast (I don’t recall who it was that was calling the game) they are raving about EP40 and they mention how upon his arrival in Vancouver the Sedins had reached out to him to offer to kind of mentor him or help him prepare for what it’s like to play in Vancouver…

…the story was that simple, however what was really notable to me was that as almost a footnote the story concludes with them saying ‘they (the Sedin’s) are still waiting to hear back from him’ (we were now a couple months removed from when they’d first reached out to him).

Like a lot of people, I brushed the story aside because the kid was so good. I thought maybe he’s just a young kid that kind of wants to do his own thing…but also thought it was more than a little odd he wouldn’t at least reach back out to them just to be polite.

Anyways, I’m not sure if that’s what you’re referencing, but it’s something similar that has always stood out to me.

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

I'm convinced. Just...

 

[PavelBure10]

At what point does the heat go on our management group? Our media seems very quiet about criticism towards them, yet the team is in pretty rough shape now.

I kind of agree with this. Apparently the Miller/Pettersson BS has been going on for quite sometime. This shit should of never escalated to this level. Management and staff should of squished the bug a long time a go. Not only did this set a divide in the dressing room but Miller and Pettersson also turned into depreciated trade assets. Allvin was A+ last season, but this year he's been mediocre at best.

 

[MS]

The Sedin thing sounds vaguely familiar, but I still don't think it is much than a guy being bad with the media, not a guy who isn't get a long with the twins. maybe he shouldn't have the A so he didn't have to talk to the media like Hronek. Again he is bad at it.

It seems our big difference here is I don't see the teammates thing. I also believe the majority of the management thing is due to whatever is currently nagging him (my opinion injury last year, then poor training from the injury this season).

I feel slightly trapped here because I've heard a few things off-the-record over the years about Pettersson and teammates so I'm coming from that space but if I mention them people start accusing me of being a liar. And it's probably fair enough to question it and we probably don't want a board where people are just listing things they 'know' or 'have heard' without being able to substantiate it.

So I'm going to walk away from this one as we're kind of going in circles anyway. I just think there's a difference between 'not good with media' in and of itself (ie. Hronek) and 'not good with media' being a symptom of being a difficult personality in a much larger sense. And I think there's enough 'on the record' stuff to show that he's a difficult personality in any case.

 

[December5th]

I feel slightly trapped here because I've heard a few things off-the-record over the years about Pettersson and teammates so I'm coming from that space but if I mention them people start accusing me of being a liar. And it's probably fair enough to question it and we probably don't want a board where people are just listing things they 'know' or 'have heard' without being able to substantiate it.

So I'm going to walk away from this one as we're kind of going in circles anyway. I just think there's a difference between 'not good with media' in and of itself (ie. Hronek) and 'not good with media' being a symptom of being a difficult personality in a much larger sense. And I think there's enough 'on the record' stuff to show that he's a difficult personality in any case.

post what you heard who cares if people say you are a liar i want to hear

 

[Vector]

post what you heard who cares if people say you are a liar i want to hear

No. MS is taking the approach that is literally laid out in the site rules.

 

[pitseleh]

I have trouble buying the Sedin thing when there’s been a handful videos/photos of Pettersson putting in extra work with them this season. Maybe he’s not close with them or whatever but seems a bit much to say they have no relationship.

The continued media antagonism is concerning. I’m sure Pettersson is understandably frustrated he’s Loui Eriksson’d his way through the last season’s worth of games. But he is the one who decided he wanted to stay and these questions aren’t going to go away.

 

[MS]

I was going to post this earlier (I’ve often thought of it since I first heard it during the original broadcast):

EP40 was killing it in his rookie season…

…during a broadcast (I don’t recall who it was that was calling the game) they are raving about EP40 and they mention how upon his arrival in Vancouver the Sedins had reached out to him to offer to kind of mentor him or help him prepare for what it’s like to play in Vancouver…

…the story was that simple, however what was really notable to me was that as almost a footnote the story concludes with them saying ‘they (the Sedin’s) are still waiting to hear back from him’ (we were now a couple months removed from when they’d first reached out to him).

Like a lot of people, I brushed the story aside because the kid was so good. I thought maybe he’s just a young kid that kind of wants to do his own thing…but also thought it was more than a little odd he wouldn’t at least reach back out to them just to be polite.

Anyways, I’m not sure if that’s what you’re referencing, but it’s something similar that has always stood out to me.

It ... might have been that?

I remember something happening and it being sort of a red flag that he was being dismissive of two of the greatest pros he could ever mingle with ... but also he was playing so well that it was like 'meh, he's young and confident and he'll grow out of it'. But in hindsight it feels a bit more significant.

 

[wetcoast]

Boeser needs to be sat down and be told to be a company guy. He’s been paid like 40,000,000 dollars by the Canucks.

You’re being traded. You’ll be a free agent in the summer. We will circle back in the summer and make an offer.

A real loyal person would accept that for the betterment of the organization.

I cannot believe how much insubordination is accepted in a multi billion dollar business. This is the ONLY convo Allvin should be having with him.

I'm not sure that he will be worth the cost and term he gets though.