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He doesn't get booed. There are no negative articles about his play. The media hand him nothing but softball questions. By and large the fans have been astonishingly supportive relative to what you normally see when a highly paid athlete is performing this terribly. The fans made a concerted effort to chant his name in the playoffs to 'pick him up', FFS.

Also, the 'mental gymnastics' that people are going through to come up with the conclusion that Pettersson is not seriously injured ... is that both the team and the player have said he's not seriously injured. Crazy stuff.
yes i get the feeling social media has distorted the reality.

Reality is unless he's reading all this crap online which any adult would be smart enough not to do he's been sheltered and mostly coddled. Up until he signed people were scared shitless to upset him and make him want to go elsewhere

probably half the reason he hasn't matured at it is because for the longest time it was just people fanboying and fawning over him and he hadn't learned how to deal with it
 
Also, the 'mental gymnastics' that people are going through to come up with the conclusion that Pettersson is not seriously injured ... is that both the team and the player have said he's not seriously injured. Crazy stuff.
This media market is more than the small collection of broadcasters and writers today, it's also the SOCIAL media part. And Hey if you want to eat everything CMac's PR staff feeds you despite all the red flags and track record, that's your damage and says all it needs to say...
 
Whenever Rick reports something like this it's usually a sign that something is going on in the background. For example Lankinen Rick was first to report they made an offer in January and things got quiet. It's almost as if Rick gets a hint they are talking but doesn't want to say they are talking.

If they want to keep Boeser it makes sense that this week they would give it one last push at getting a deal done.
I suppose if Boeser is anxious to stay in Vancouver, and is willing to accept a significant 'home-town discount' then it might make some sense to re-open discussions.

After all, Tyler Myers was willing to go from $6m a season to $3m, so I guess anything is possible. But if they're going to keep Brock, they need to find him a center ASAP. It's never gong to work with either Chytil or EP40.
 
Dhali made a good point today that the organization overall doesn't have a great respect for the media. Again, CMac is the player and media liaison for player's and hockey ops. Who do you think briefs them?
 
Even today we here about Drance who has been a long time Pettersson fanboy protecting him from negative feedback after getting immature and odd responses
 
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yes i get the feeling social media has distorted the reality.

Reality is unless he's reading all this crap online which any adult would be smart enough not to do he's been sheltered and mostly coddled. Up until he signed people were scared shitless to upset him and make him want to go elsewhere

probably half the reason he hasn't matured at it is because for the longest time it was just people fanboying and fawning over him and he hadn't learned how to deal with it
Social media distorts reality whether you personally read it or not. I would wonder how the Canucks PR team is briefing the players and characterizing the media landscape & vibes to them. Because the whole organization seems to view the media market as hostile regardless of the people covering it. Coughcmaccough.
 
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I suppose if Boeser is anxious to stay in Vancouver, and is willing to accept a significant 'home-town discount' then it might make some sense to re-open discussions.

After all, Tyler Myers was willing to go from $6m a season to $3m, so I guess anything is possible. But if they're going to keep Brock, they need to find him a center ASAP. It's never gong to work with either Chytil or EP40.
I don't see Myers getting offered more than 4-5M at most (and maybe an extra year but no NMC), but that's maybe a 5M total discount to stay at home. Brock might have to cut 10-20M (before taxes) to make the org happy.

If I had to guess a contract both sides would grumpily accept, it would be around 8.5Mx6. Brock leaves term as compromise to assuage mgmt but it's not too far from his UFA offers (can't see more than 9Mx7).
 
Dhali made a good point today that the organization overall doesn't have a great respect for the media. Again, CMac is the player and media liaison for player's and hockey ops. Who do you think briefs them?
Well fair.

Sekeras Price Farhan and JPatt are largely a bunch of A holes who like to make up stories and conjecture to get attention.

How can you respect that when their jobs exist because of the team and then they constantly take runs at the team publicly and much of it is lazy lies and done in a whiny negative tone
 
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If they want to keep Boeser it makes sense that this week they would give it one last push at getting a deal done.
I find it shocking that they would look at Boeser's performance this season, especially after the JTM trade, and decided they want to keep him at Boeser's terms. I'm not sure if it is just out of sheer desperation, or if they think the intangibles he brings to the locker room is that important right now. But lets not forget our current scoring struggles is WITH Boeser, currently he is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Forgoing the assets and cap space you get via a trade to commit long term to him seems like the last thing they should do. I'm confused.

It's weird some ppl here seem to think Boeser sucks or something, maybe it goes back to the unreasonable hate he got a back when he was dealing with his immense grief.
But he was a very good player then, and still is today, half the league would give him an offer as a ufa, not 9M but surely a raise on his current salary.
As long as he signs for something decent the team is better with than without.

Also I wonder if it's the same ppl saying it'd be a disaster to sign him (laughable), are the same people who are whining about him possibly walking for nothing at seasons end... idk, but I'd bet there's some overlap.
Or, maybe people here can see that the value of Boeser comes as a complimentary sniper that requires an elite center to play with, and currently we have none and there isn't one coming. Not wanting to commit to a slow complimentary winger to a long term contract does not equate to hate, unless you are unable to evaluate players skillsets and/or the team construct. It is a very lazy argument (not to mention it being false) to just say people has an "unreasonable hate he got back when he was dealing with his immense grief."

Also it appears you are unable to understand the term opportunity cost? It is not necessarily better to sign him if we have to forego assets and cap space. We can utilize the assets and cap space better and build a better team.

Your last paragraph pretty much sums up your lack of understanding of the situation. You listed 2 outcomes, 1) its a disaster to sign him, and 2) he walks as a UFA. Clearly missing the 3rd and most desired option of trading him at the TDL for assets. Yes signing him to a bloated contract sucks, as does letting him walk as an UFA. People SHOULD be outraged by those outcomes, when there is a MUCH better 3rd option.

This has been discussed numerous times in both the Boeser thread and here, I'm shocked that a regular poster like yourself has still not grasp this very basic concept.
 
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This media market is more than the small collection of broadcasters and writers today, it's also the SOCIAL media part. And Hey if you want to eat everything CMac's PR staff feeds you despite all the red flags and track record, that's your damage and says all it needs to say...

Fans simply do not seem to understand that players play hurt all the time in the NHL. If every player who had a slight knock didn't play you'd have half of every AHL team in the NHL at any given time. Yes, Pettersson probably has a minor ailment. Yes, he is being expected to play through it. But this is how it works for every team in the league. Connor McDavid couldn't shoot the puck last year so he went and put up 100 assists instead. Pettersson is not seriously injured. Pettersson's minor injury issue is not an excuse for his disastrous play.

The criticism he's taking from a tiny percentage of the fans on social media is nothing compared to what would happen to an $11.6 million player with 7 ES goals in his last 82 games in any other decent hockey market.
 
If Drance and Pettersson's people feel he's been piled on in Vancouver, just try and imagine what it would be like in Montreal or Toronto, if he was having a similar season?

Figuratively speaking, fans and the media would have the pitch-forks and the torches out in full force. I'm not sure how he'd fare in even some of the smaller markets like Ottawa and Winnipeg; or even in Canadian markets like Edmonton and Calgary.

In Vancouver, fans are so downtrodden by a decade of chronic losing--they just accept a season like this with stoic resignation.
 
I honestly feel like I am being gaslit when you say this, that people are using the same mental gymnastics people go through to insist he's not injured to now insist he's not being criticised. Folks are constantly slagging him here on social media - he's been the topic of the day all season, the fact we do this day after day is indicative of no lol this is not soft.

If the discourse was actually soft, there'd be no discourse at all.

Elsewhere, this is uniquely toxic era of fan discourse even that has more than compensated and exceeded the diminishing voice of traditional media. If you're not in those spaces to see that toxicity, consider yourself lucky.
I don't doubt that you can find some extremist posters on X that absolutely loathe Pettersson. But these are the extremeist outliers, and unfortunately, the exist for basically all aspects of things that are discussed on social media. You need to just ignore them, and if you can't, you need to just stop using the X platform.

But on this site, Pettersson has been given a ton of leeway. I can only really think of one poster who is an extremist that you could probably describe as a "hater", with most of all the other critics being quite reasonable. And there are a ton of posters who will defend Petey to the hilt.

Reddit is kind of a mixed bag, but again, I don't see it as being overly toxic or anything.

And as others have said, is Pettersson really exposed to any of this? Because the fans at Rogers Arena have been pretty incredible to him given his level of play, and the media have been extremely soft as well.
 
Lol Montreal and Toronto are homers compared to us. We are the vicious market. But I get it, it's easier to make your arguments if you pretend we're not.
 
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Lol Montreal and Toronto are homers compared to us. We are the vicious market. But I get it, it's easier to make your arguments if you pretend we're not.
On the one hand you are complaining that people are too hard on Pettersson, and on the other hand, when @moiderer engages you in a reasonable manner, you post this about them:

Listen dude, I already established I think your position is ridiculous, think little of you, and don't enjoy talking to you. Move it along.
Kind of seems like you may be a part of the problem here.
 
Lol Montreal and Toronto are homers compared to us. We are the vicious market. But I get it, it's easier to make your arguments if you pretend we're not.

You might want to have a look at how Mitch Marner has been treated in Toronto while putting up a 100 points/82 pace for 5 straight years and being a PPG player in the playoffs over the last 3 years.

Edit : Also Montreal fans started spamming their 18 year old 1st round pick with hate messages a couple years ago because they wanted someone else. That market is insane and bipolar.
 
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I find it shocking that they would look at Boeser's performance this season, especially after the JTM trade, and decided they want to keep him at Boeser's terms. I'm not sure if it is just out of sheer desperation, or if they think the intangibles he brings to the locker room is that important right now. But lets not forget our current scoring struggles is WITH Boeser, currently he is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Forgoing the assets and cap space you get via a trade to commit long term to him seems like the last thing they should do. I'm confused.


Or, maybe people here can see that the value of Boeser comes as a complimentary sniper that requires an elite center to play with, and currently we have none and there isn't one coming. Not wanting to commit to a slow complimentary winger to a long term contract does not equate to hate, unless you are unable to evaluate players skillsets and/or the team construct. It is a very lazy argument (not to mention it being false) to just say people has an "unreasonable hate he got back when he was dealing with his immense grief."

Also it appears you are unable to understand the term opportunity cost? It is not necessarily better to sign him if we have to forego assets and cap space. We can utilize the assets and cap space better and build a better team.

Your last paragraph pretty much sums up your lack of understanding of the situation. You listed 2 outcomes, 1) its a disaster to sign him, and 2) he walks as a UFA. Clearly missing the 3rd and most desired option of trading him at the TDL for assets. Yes signing him to a bloated contract sucks, as does letting him walk as an UFA. People SHOULD be outraged by those outcomes, when there is a MUCH better 3rd option.

This has been discussed numerous times in both the Boeser thread and here, I'm shocked that a regular poster like yourself has still not grasp this very basic concept.
Too much rambling nonsense here to address but it all sounds like conjecture, clearly some have a better grasp on the situation than others.

a. Pls prove he needs an elite center.
b. He got piles of unwarranted criticisms after his family tragedy, its all there to see still, and more ridiculous now after he scored forty the next year. (Dakota gets an understandable pass because of CONTEXT, brock largely did not that year. And for anyone who hasn't lost a parent you're extremely close to, consider yourself fortunate.)
c. Okay we dont sign him and then what exactly?! Who do we sign? When? How much?
d. He's 27 and has years of good to great production, what is the evidence he's going to sign a "bloated contract" ?
e. If one really had any grasp on reality they'd recognize your 3rd option is inherent in the two i provided.

To spell it out for those who need kid gloves, if he's a "monumental mistake" to sign to an extension then why would he have some big value at the tdl.
Conversely, if " ppl should be outraged" letting him walk as a ufa, he must be pretty good player our team and others would want to sign on July one.

Both cannot be true.
The one that's clearly evident in reality is he's a very good top six winger, long time canuck so dressing rm fit, not even 28, going to be decently highly sought after if he makes it to ufa, and has years of solid, proven, indisputable production.

Again, if we let him walk whats the plan?! Fight for glass ehlers with twenty other teams? Reilly Smith? Taylor hall? Jake evans? Zucker? Donato?

What a laughable joke, the team (not roster) is almost certainly better with Brock, and we have no reason to think he won't sign for something reasonable, others did because they want to stay, hes been here the longest no reason why he doesn't want to also.
 


Elias Pettersson, Forward
  • Had a sore throat over the weekend; many guys got sick with the flu over the 4 Nations Tournament; was nothing more than a sore throat for him
  • Until he regains his game, is damaging the Canucks
Hughes
  • Is probably for Wednesday’s game; Canucks have liked his progress
  • Handled his media availability with class and honesty
Demko
  • Skated the other day
  • Best case scenario is he’s ready for game action in the next 10 days; give or take a day or two
  • Doesn’t see the Canucks trading Demko before the TDL
  • Is sure that other GMs are calling on him
Lankinen
  • Did kind of come out of left field; agents involved were telling Dreger that negotiations were moving slowly
  • Recent goaltender signings were what encouraged the Canucks to get a deal done
St. Louis Blues
  • Curious what they are going to do
  • Brayden Schenn would be a #2 on a good team and wonders if he would be a fit on the Canucks
  • Believes there’s a fit for Schenn on the Canucks from a coaching standpoint
Boeser
  • Maybe Boeser needs more time to figure out if he wants to stay
  • Dreger believes that maybe Boeser won’t be traded; those close to Boeser don’t think he will be traded
  • There is value now in thinking of players as “own rentals”; says that is how Dave Nonis (Dreger’s cousin) used to refer to them
  • Probably a 1st round pick if they do trade him
 
I find it shocking that they would look at Boeser's performance this season, especially after the JTM trade, and decided they want to keep him at Boeser's terms. I'm not sure if it is just out of sheer desperation, or if they think the intangibles he brings to the locker room is that important right now. But lets not forget our current scoring struggles is WITH Boeser, currently he is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Forgoing the assets and cap space you get via a trade to commit long term to him seems like the last thing they should do.

Also it appears you are unable to understand the term opportunity cost? It is not necessarily better to sign him if we have to forego assets and cap space. We can utilize the assets and cap space better and build a better team.

there is a MUCH better 3rd option.
I wonder how you view Rantanen given that first paragraph.

The biggest issue currently is he's playing with a 3/4th line grinder and a C who plays with a lot of tunnel vision. Not just that how many weeks to build chemistry?

The issue with the 3rd option is it's usually a late 1st if we can get it in a weak draft. How does that help and what teams are looking at trading a young fast play driving top6 on a good contract this summer to add on top of the 2 players we already need with that type of deal?

It's not impossible but certainly not plausible. And we certainly go into the offseason looking like suckers and desperate and are gonna get bent over and once again asked for Willander DPetey Lekk to get anything done.

if you learned anything about the Miller situation is even when he had a 1 team destination and an contract everyone was mad about we still were able to trade him for some assets. If Boeser plays ball and is willing to average out his production vs using last years spike year as the jump off point it really shouldn't be an issue.

Are we tying to win with Hughes or what's the plan here. BB6 was fantastic is last years playoffs. So what if he's slow so is Reinhart Stone Pavelski Perry they've done alright last time i checked. People need to stop expecting him to carry the puck
 
Too much rambling nonsense here to address but it all sounds like conjecture, clearly some have a better grasp on the situation than others.

a. Pls prove he needs an elite center.
b. He got piles of unwarranted criticisms after his family tragedy, its all there to see still, and more ridiculous now after he scored forty the next year. (Dakota gets an understandable pass because of CONTEXT, brock largely did not that year. And for anyone who hasn't lost a parent you're extremely close to, consider yourself fortunate.)
c. Okay we dont sign him and then what exactly?! Who do we sign? When? How much?
d. He's 27 and has years of good to great production, what is the evidence he's going to sign a "bloated contract" ?
e. If one really had any grasp on reality they'd recognize your 3rd option is inherent in the two i provided.

To spell it out for those who need kid gloves, if he's a "monumental mistake" to sign to an extension then why would he have some big value at the tdl.
Conversely, if " ppl should be outraged" letting him walk as a ufa, he must be pretty good player our team and others would want to sign on July one.

Both cannot be true.
The one that's clearly evident in reality is he's a very good top six winger, long time canuck so dressing rm fit, not even 28, going to be decently highly sought after if he makes it to ufa, and has years of solid, proven, indisputable production.

Again, if we let him walk whats the plan?! Fight for glass ehlers with twenty other teams? Reilly Smith? Taylor hall? Jake evans? Zucker? Donato?

What a laughable joke, the team (not roster) is almost certainly better with Brock, and we have no reason to think he won't sign for something reasonable, others did because they want to stay, hes been here the longest no reason why he doesn't want to also.
Pretty hilarious you complain about my "rambling nonsense" then proceed to ramble on and on yourself.

Clearly your aren't able to comprehend the basic concepts of opportunity cost or team construction, there is no point on continuing this discussion with you.

Good day.
 
He doesn't get booed. There are no negative articles about his play. The media hand him nothing but softball questions. By and large the fans have been astonishingly supportive relative to what you normally see when a highly paid athlete is performing this terribly. The fans made a concerted effort to chant his name in the playoffs to 'pick him up', FFS.

Also, the 'mental gymnastics' that people are going through to come up with the conclusion that Pettersson is not seriously injured ... is that both the team and the player have said he's not seriously injured. Crazy stuff.

You compare it to what Naslund, Luongo, and the Sedins went through and its not even remotely close.

Naslund got shut down in the playoffs by...Nicklas Lidstrom, then put up two PPG+ playoff runs, and proceeded to get called out as a poor leader who can't do it in the playoffs because he's "not tough enough" (i.e. Canadian).

Luongo then puts up one 7 spot after generally fantastic play in the playoffs before then, and gets eviscerated by the media and fans for being mentally soft.

The Sedins, the epitome of class and hard work, were called "soft" and "sisters," when in reality their game was completely reliant on grinding down low in the corners & cycling. They took tons of abuse (from the media and opposing dmen), never complained, and treated everyone with tons of respect.

For whatever reason, the fans this generation have been extremely kind to Petey up until this point despite him going really hot/cold out of no where. Compared to the Botchords & Tony Gs of old, the media has barely asked him any hard questions or published reports that make him look bad.

That might be changing now, but it took an 11 million dollar player playing like Philip Danault for it to happen. I'm not one to advocate for going after a guy in the media - that Keenan/Torts style of playing games doesn't fly with me. At this point though - what else is the team supposed to do?

Management, like the rest of us, is probably exascerbated by the whole thing when you have Quinn Hughes right next to him doing everything the right way.
 
I wonder how you view Rantanen given that first paragraph.

The biggest issue currently is he's playing with a 3/4th line grinder and a C who plays with a lot of tunnel vision. Not just that how many weeks to build chemistry?

The issue with the 3rd option is it's usually a late 1st if we can get it in a weak draft. How does that help and what teams are looking at trading a young fast play driving top6 on a good contract this summer to add on top of the 2 players we already need with that type of deal?

It's not impossible but certainly not plausible. And we certainly go into the offseason looking like suckers and desperate and are gonna get bent over and once again asked for Willander DPetey Lekk to get anything done.

if you learned anything about the Miller situation is even when he had a 1 team destination and an contract everyone was mad about we still were able to trade him for some assets. If Boeser plays ball and is willing to average out his production vs using last years spike year as the jump off point it really shouldn't be an issue.

Are we tying to win with Hughes or what's the plan here. BB6 was fantastic is last years playoffs. So what if he's slow so is Reinhart Stone Pavelski Perry they've done alright last time i checked. People need to stop expecting him to carry the puck
I think it's too early to tell on Rantanen. He played like, what, 7 games with the Canes? Also unlike Brock (who I adore as a person, in case it doesn't come across in my posts, and I think he is a good player IN THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT) Rantanen has a much higher ceiling with a much better skillset. At his peak Rantanen is an elite play driver, but I'm not sure about that going forward. He would definitely come with some risk at the $13+M he is looking for.

Boeser doesn't just play with 3rd/4th liners though. He gets time with EP40 and other of our better forwards (like Chytil). Sure you can say that his linemates not helping him much because they aren't JTM level, but then we aren't getting a JTM level center back anytime soon, so you are not maximizing his value extending him either.

I don't know who you realistically replace him with, to be honest. Obviously Marner, Rantanen and Ehlers are great and we do have the cap space (assuming we don't extend BB6), but what I know is you shouldn't sign a long term big money contract you don't like just because the market temporarily doesn't not have a good alternative.
 
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We're not trading Quinn Hughes or rebuilding. Jesus f***ing Christ.

As for Pettersson ... yeah. I have no idea what to do. I'm not sure the team does either.
At this point I don’t know if you can do anything but hope he rebounds after a full offseason of training. I doubt you’re getting anything resembling a top line center in return.

Maybe there’s someone out there that can be targeted that would refuse to go to Buffalo but would come here, allowing us to make a trade with Buffalo for assets that could be flipped to a 3rd team.
 

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