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JT Milker said:
This team is doomed otherwise, you have to try.
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Don't get me wrong, as much as I value Suter, if he was the cap casualty required to bring in a Marner or Ehlers or Rantanen I'd drive him to the airport myself.

I just don't see it being realistic that we would be in the top-3 if not top-5 destinations for any of those guys.
 
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I think we all agree that Suter is a great guy to have to fill in the cracks.

The problem is that the roster doesn't have cracks to fill. It has huge f***ing tectonic fault lines that have opened up across our top-six centers and wingers.

They need to focus finding players that can fill those holes first before they commit such cap to Suter.
 
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Bourne Endeavor said:
Like Bobby said, being consistent wins games.

Look at a team like Toronto. All the top end talent in the world. What's killed them isn't just their stars struggling in the playoffs, but a lack of consistent depth scoring. If Matthews, Marner and Nylander can't carry them, they're dead. Heck, we very narrowly beat Edmonton despite all our injuries because McDavid was struggling. And we did that with both our top scorers and depth contributing.

Guys like Suter don't have the sexy point totals, but the grind they play helps in a different way.

A 2nd round pick from a contending team is basically darts on a board. You're hoping that pick develops into Suter 3-4 years later.



And yet I doubt there's many here who would call Hoglander a better player. Scoring goals doesn't mean you're good. Hoglander is extremely one dimensional. Hence why he's practically invisible every night he isn't scoring. Which has been a lot this season. Meanwhlie, Suter can play along the walls, grind out puck battles or straight wear down even star players in corners. He kills penalties and consistent enough to move up as needed.

There's a reason Suter looked good next to Miller and Boeser last season, but they rarely tried Hoglander there.
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Keep Suter and sell someone else for less value. The entire point is asset management for this team has been abysmal for years. Here's a chance when you have a UFA whose value is high to get something. It would be classic for the Canucks to sell upside for safety and then be looking for upside again.

Last season Canucks could go out and get Zadorov and Lindholm because of the cheap value contracts. The Canucks will now be paying market value for all those cheap value contracts. The needle has not moved but they are now going to be paying double.
 
Fatass said:
Cozens has a pretty big contract that was based on what he might become and not on what he’s proven to be. He’s a pretty big risk.
I think, if Boeser is moved, it’s for a first + and then Allvin uses that capital to get the guy he prefers. IMO Cozens isn’t the type of player (when considering his contract and potential offensive ceiling) Allvin would want.
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Where do people get this 1st + when Grandlund and Ceci went for a 1st and 4th?
 
kanucks25 said:
Don't get me wrong, as much as I value Suter, if he was the cap casualty required to bring in a Marner or Ehlers or Rantanen I'd drive him to the airport myself.

I just don't see it being realistic that we would be in the top-3 if not top-5 destinations for any of those guys.
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I think most of us are in agreement there.

I'm fine if we're in serious discussions with Marner, ask Suter to wait until things finalize and he opts to move on instead. It's still a risk we get Guentzel'd again, but at least we're in the conversation for a significant upgrade. What I don't want is us trading Suter in the hopes we can sign Marner, Ehlers or Rantanen only to find out they have no interest and now all we have is a late 2nd.

ManVanFan said:
Keep Suter and sell someone else for less value. The entire point is asset management for this team has been abysmal for years. Here's a chance when you have a UFA whose value is high to get something. It would be classic for the Canucks to sell upside for safety and then be looking for upside again.

Last season Canucks could go out and get Zadorov and Lindholm because of the cheap value contracts. The Canucks will now be paying market value for all those cheap value contracts. The needle has not moved but they are now going to be paying double.
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That someone else is Hoglander, Soucy or, sadly, Demko. In the case of Soucy, we already have a prospect who's threatening to push him out of the lineup unless he remains a RD. While Hoglander just isn't living up to a contract that hasn't even started yet. As Demko, it sucks, but barring a complete turnaround on his health, that's the spot we're losing money on.
 
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JT Milker said:
They need to save money somewhere to afford a big money contract for a top line player. They can do that by letting Suter walk and running at least one ELC on defence if not two.

Debrusk EP Ehlers ($9M)
Joshua Chytil Garland
O’Connor Blueger Hoglander
Aman/Sasson/Sherwood/Raty

Hughes Hronek
MP Myers
DP/Soucy/Willander/Mancini

Lankinen/Demko

That would leave you with ~$1M in cap space. You won’t be able to move Soucy or Demko without taking cap back or replacing them, but maybe you can squeeze another $2-3M savings there? You also probably want to bring back Forbort if you manage to move Soucy.
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Still this is only a team that might make the playoffs, it's not a contender by any means.

The Canucks aren't going to live or die by Suter but he has been a very good Canuck for his ticket price, maybe the best value contract for his entire Canuck period.
 
Bourne Endeavor said:
That someone else is Hoglander, Soucy or, sadly, Demko. In the case of Soucy, we already have a prospect who's threatening to push him out of the lineup unless he remains a RD. While Hoglander just isn't living up to a contract that hasn't even started yet. As Demko, it sucks, but barring a complete turnaround on his health, that's the spot we're losing money on.
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Hoglander has been up and down in his years so far. He's matched Suter's career high in points and has scored 24. Something Suter will never ever do. He's 24. Suter is going to be 29 and had his first NHL season at 24. Soucy most likely to go as well most likely in the off season though thanks to his NTC.
 
Vector said:
I would like some trade action to distract me from *waves hands* all this.
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Why?

We just had a huge trade action and then it's back to this, that's the way it is when you have a meh team with huge questions marks and drifting along.
 
wetcoast said:
Still this is only a team that might make the playoffs, it's not a contender by any means.

The Canucks aren't going to live or die by Suter but he has been a very good Canuck for his ticket price, maybe the best value contract for his entire Canuck period.
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All I say is capitalize on it now that it's over.
 
Vector said:
I would like some trade action to distract me from *waves hands* all this.
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Is it just me or is this an incredibly quiet leadup to the trade deadline?

It's only about a week away and I feel like there's been minimal scuttlebutt.

Maybe has something to do with the 4-Nations, or that there's only about 4 teams in each conference that are really ready to punt on the season.
 
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Vector said:
Until the Pettersson situation is sorted out, the team will flounder.
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Pretty much.

It's an endless circus that really only Pettersson himself can stop. At this point, we can't trade him because practically everyone will be offering peanuts. So we just have to hope things turn around.

Would love to revisit some of those Buffalo discussions though. Gibbe Peterka pls
 
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