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[Jerry the great]

O'Reilly isn't that good a prospect. You're underselling the return on Boeser.

flat d+1 development curve is an easy hazard to avoid IMO.

 

[pitseleh]

J.T. Miller reportedly shut down blockbuster deal before returning to New York

J.T. Miller is back in New York, and it's clear that was his intention.

www.yardbarker.com

Caught this on the main board.

 

[kanucks25]

I think Brock could get 50M on the open market, but I think 40M is more than enough from us specifically.

We shouldn't budge on this. Trade him if he doesn't want it.

 

[LemonSauceD]

We then go from having 2C to zero, with no assets to acquire any. An abundance of cap space is lovely and all, but we need actual good players to spend it on. There are precisely two in FA who might be available and your hypothesis says one walks away for nothing.

At this point, we pretty much have to gamble Pettersson can turn things around. Trading him for quite literally nothing means good bye Hughes.

I feel like I’d enjoy watching this team more with zero top 6 C’s than watching whatever it is Pettersson has become. Yesterday was the most visibly digusted I’ve ever been watching a player of our own. At least with Rantanen, you hope he re signs (and reverts back to C as temporary solution) and if he doesn’t we’re just as screwed dealing with Pettersson for another 7 years. Pettersson bounces back but as history has shown it’s only a matter of time before even the tiniest bit of adversity causes him to spiral to this iteration we’ve seen for a year.

I’ve been officially done with Pettersson for awhile now. His lack of accountability, his ego and poor attitude with the media as someone wearing a letter on his crest. His compete level. His ominous rhetorics of “wanting to play for a winning team” or “I want the pressure” then turtling. Having incredible stretches of poor on ice performances over the course of his time here. His soft and uninspiring play. He doesn’t act like a leader. He doesn’t play like a leader. Being the 5th highest paid player being outperformed by a player literallly making $10M less than him. How does an 11.6M player go multiple games without putting up a shot attempt, let alone a shot. Tendinitis (which is an extreme stretch which I’ve never really bought as an excuse) only excuses his overall speed, not his overall game.

 

[Bleach Clean]

J.T. Miller reportedly shut down blockbuster deal before returning to New York

J.T. Miller is back in New York, and it's clear that was his intention.

www.yardbarker.com

Caught this on the main board.

Yes I saw this and forgot to post about it: He blocked COL as an option.

Kesler situation looms large.

 

[Bobby9]

O'Reilly isn't that good a prospect. You're underselling the return on Boeser.

Possibly but if we need a cheap 3C in the future and Raty isn't the one we need it would be a decent return. Maybe a pick added to the trade to us.

I don't think we get a blue chip prospect.

 

[Vector]

Possibly but if we need a cheap 3C in the future and Raty isn't the one we need it would be a decent return. Maybe a pick added to the trade to us.

I don't think we get a blue chip prospect.

The typical haul for Boeser should be a 1st + good prospect. I don't view O'Reilly as a good enough prospect.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I think Brock could get 50M on the open market, but I think 40M is more than enough from us specifically.

We shouldn't budge on this. Trade him if he doesn't want it.

They should add a year.

If he still doesn't take it, then it's an even decision to trade him.

 

[Fatass]

Where do people get this 1st + when Grandlund and Ceci went for a 1st and 4th?

So Boeser is worth more?

 

[kanucks25]

They should add a year.

If he still doesn't take it, then it's an even decision to trade him.

I personally wouldn't, and I'm probably higher on Boeser than the average Canucks fan. Even the 8 x 5 is high for me.

I don't think he's a fit on this team anymore given he doesn't have a center to play with.

EDIT: I think 8M x 6 is the right deal for him, just not in Vancouver.

 

[Jerry the great]

J.T. Miller reportedly shut down blockbuster deal before returning to New York

J.T. Miller is back in New York, and it's clear that was his intention.

www.yardbarker.com

Caught this on the main board.

Wonder if they were going to flip us Necas? or it was going to be a futures trade like Ritchie + 2x 2R + Drury.

 

[kanucks25]

Wonder if they were going to flip us Necas? or it was going to be a futures trade like Ritchie + 2x 2R + Drury.

I imagine this was separate from the Rantanen/Necas deal, and they were going to send us Mitts + 1st + prospect (somewhat equivalent to the NYR deal).

 

[Fatass]

Is the total money (40 mil) a way that JR/Allvin get the ASV down during negotiations? They get the player to agree to a total dollar and then increase the term (in this case from 4 to 5/6) to bring down the AAV from 8 to 7?

 

[LemonSauceD]

Ritchie, Mittlestadt, Nichuskin for Pettersson.

Two top 6 guys and a top prospect. We take on Nichuskin’s cocaine risk/injury proneness.

 

[Bobby9]

The typical haul for Boeser should be a 1st + good prospect. I don't view O'Reilly as a good enough prospect.

I understand that. I am extremely concerned about our C depth moving forward so its what I hope management targets in the trade.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

This was hinted at yesterday and why there's an issue. Can't see Brock accepting 5yrs.

So time to deal him.

It's Friday Allvin.

Blockbuster Video time.

 

[Quinning]

Yes I saw this and forgot to post about it: He blocked COL as an option.

Kesler situation looms large.

Don't give out NMCs unless they are Hughes level talents. Players should never have that type of control over their situation, it makes it far too easy for them to stop giving a f*** and show up for a paycheque.

See; Pettersson, Elias. And he doesn't even have one in place yet.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Until the Pettersson situation is sorted out, the team will flounder.

it's not just going to flounder. it's going to regress and there could be a rush to the exits.

 

[Quinning]

I absolutely hate the idea of doing this, but they should consider trading Hughes in the offseason.

The reasons for:

- He is starting to show signs of physically breaking down. The playoffs really did a number on him and they've been playing him in extremely hard minutes all season long. If he starts becoming injury prone, his value decreases.

- He doesn't have an NMC or NTC as far as I can tell, so there would be 31 other teams lining up to make offers for a player of his calibre. The Canucks could name their price.

- The team is rapidly imploding and it looks like we're going to have to retool at least, rebuild at most. Hughes wants to win now, he's already spent the first half of his prime with a team that has done very little to actually contend.

- He went though the worst parts of the Benning years and has now been a part of an extremely public and toxic breakup in the locker room. That has got to be wearing on him emotionally. If he asks for a trade, bet your ass it will leak to the media, and now you have no leverage.

- The NJ connection grows ever closer with each passing day, and it becomes less and less likely he stays here. Every team in the league would sign him to a $14/15 million dollar 7 year deal right now if they had the cap space. The opportunity to play with his brothers and near his parents is far too good to pass up to stay here.

- Canucks would get a ridiculous haul...Bedard/Celebrini level young talent in return. Columbus could provide a package that would transform the core of this team, in order to get Hughes on a pairing with Werenski. He's on one of the best contracts in the league for two more seasons, and the team loses leverage as he gets closer to FA.

This would suck and hurt beyond belief, because there's no way we ever see another player of his calibre play for this city again. But they've royally f***ed their chances of competing while he was cost controlled, so here we are.

 

[pitseleh]

Wonder if they were going to flip us Necas? or it was going to be a futures trade like Ritchie + 2x 2R + Drury.

Necas feels like too much but then again I don’t think they would have gotten much more for Rantanen as a rental than the Canucks did for Miller.

I’d be surprised if they were willing to take the downgrade to Colton or Drury in the short term and Mittelstadt doesn’t seem like someone they’d have any interest in.

 

[wonton15]

I have a feeling the two sides will settle on 6x$8M. I still want them to trade him and see if we can acquire someone faster…

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I suspect the Canucks will go to 6 years, and then Boeser is just weighing 6 with Vancouver vs. maybe someone offering up 7 on the open market.

Personally, I think if the Canucks go to 6, it gets done. And I can live with that. We're talking about a $1.25M AAV increase during a rising cap environment for a guy who's dependably put up 25-30 goals while also being a good dressing room guy and playoff performer. And I just don't see how we replace that without spending either the exact same or more on someone else in free agency, especially not on one who's not a fair bit older than Brock, who's still just 28.

I think it's a bit easy to dismiss him right now with pretty much the whole team underachieving offensively, but I think it'd be something we'd regret if we let him walk.

 

[theguardianII]

This is quite the story.

Regardless, Bedard and Macklin can walk in 5 + and 6 + years respectively.

Yes but that is a window. Those teams have until those players locked in until they are 26 yrs old to build a contender. IF they end up being the only one or two stars of the team's then ya they likely walk. Or they could end up being like Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Toews, Drasitl, McDavid, Kopitar, Doughty, Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, etc...

What do the Canucks have to build around? Players reaching FA status and on a losing team, not just this season but a decade that most if not all have endured. All with the same sales job every year.

Not every rebuild needs to be a scorched earth redo, using the worst examples for bad rebuilds is taking things to an extreme. Buffalo and Arizona, how many fewer games did they lose in the last 11 years? How many more playoff game wins do the Canucks have? How long was the last Canucks rebuild?

There is no way the Canucks are trading for #1 & #2 centers, really good centers. All those listed have come through the draft and not all by teams finishing #20 to 26th in a season unless some team traded that pick to them earlier.

Most of this franchise's base is older and has already donated decades of patience Prices going up and those fans are or have become older and hopefully wiser so the team becomes less relevant.

 

[arttk]

I suspect the Canucks will go to 6 years, and then Boeser is just weighing 6 with Vancouver vs. maybe someone offering up 7 on the open market.

Personally, I think if the Canucks go to 6, it gets done. And I can live with that. We're talking about a $1.25M AAV increase during a rising cap environment for a guy who's dependably put up 25-30 goals while also being a good dressing room guy and playoff performer. And I just don't see how we replace that without spending either the exact same or more on someone else in free agency, especially not on one who's not a fair bit older than Brock, who's still just 28.

I think it's a bit easy to dismiss him right now with pretty much the whole team underachieving offensively, but I think it'd be something we'd regret if we let him walk.

i think from a negotiation perspective, make sense to lead with 5 and then try to settle on 6. I think it would be insulting if they went with 4 lol

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

Yes, please. Give me J.J.

I read the Scoop but moving him doesn't make much sense to me.

Saying that, adding Peterka would make me: