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[ManVanFan]

The Wild might be f***ed. Kaprizov is out longer than they thought, possibly for the season. JEEK to miss at least a couple of weeks. Hartman still under suspension (although Good Ol' Gary decided to reduce it). They are comfortably in a playoff spot but really calls into question whether they make any moves to bolster the line-up.

Good thing they have a good prospect pool and Van has parts for them.

 

[brock hughes007]

Even with Hughes, do you actually think the Canucks would win a round? Heck even a game in the first round? Have you seen the past couple months of this team? In the past 22 games they are scoring 2.05 GPG. Watch Boeser walk for free after. Would be the most Canuck thing to do. F-ed

I was thinking the same thing.This team does not have the horses to do any damage in the playoffs.If we are counting on EP40 to lead our forwards we are screwed.We don't match any fire power of Edm Winnipeg or Vegas.
This season is a right off..and has been for awhile.Im tired of Tocchets defensive first and dump and chase game.with a bunch of soft players.It does not work as we can see..Can't even score 2 goals now in games is pretty frustrating to watch..I do not see a lack of direction for this team .Get what you can for anyone that does not want to be here and find a different coach.

 

[ManVanFan]

I was thinking the same thing.This team does not have the horses to do any damage in the playoffs.If we are counting on EP40 to lead our forwards we are screwed.We don't match any fire power of Edm Winnipeg or Vegas.
This season is a right off..and has been for awhile.Im tired of Tocchets defensive first and dump and chase game.with a bunch of soft players.It does not work as we can see..Can't even score 2 goals now in games is pretty frustrating to watch..I do not see a lack of direction for this team .Get what you can for anyone that does not want to be here and find a different coach.

I've never been a fan of Tocchet as HC. As an asst, I think he would do good. He has done good as an asst but just not as a HC. He wants them to play the right way but I don't think he takes enough good with bad. I thought the organization was too thin all around last year but they were playing good so it was hard not to want to go for it. This year I agree, things aren't working out. Time to reset a bit and create a future. If they waste the future to try and win a round, I can see another 6 years of sucking coming up(or being very mediocre).

 

[bossram]

The Wild might be f***ed. Kaprizov is out longer than they thought, possibly for the season. JEEK to miss at least a couple of weeks. Hartman still under suspension (although Good Ol' Gary decided to reduce it). They are comfortably in a playoff spot but really calls into question whether they make any moves to bolster the line-up.

They had a really good start, but got absolutely brutalized by injures. Kaprizov basically out two-thirds of the season, lots of blueline injuries, now JEE sounds bad.

Guerin might convince himself out of being a buyer.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

There was a moment there were I thought AV was a definite goner when Gillis came in. I feel like an idiot now for thinking that.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

They had a really good start, but got absolutely brutalized by injures. Kaprizov basically out two-thirds of the season, lots of blueline injuries, now JEE sounds bad.

Guerin might convince himself out of being a buyer.

Paper tiger team. Always has been.

Way I see it, we basically have to be better than only Calgary. Then be better than only Winnipeg for 7 games. We're already better than Colorado. Not that the standings show it. But regular season and playoffs are two different beasts.

 

[PavelBure10]

Trading a top 6 NHL forward while you’re fighting for a playoff spot for a 20 year old undersized winger lighting up an amateur league is bush league loser shit.

To me, keeping Boeser and letting him walk for nothing is loser shit. Cristall tore up camp and preseason games, he really should of made the team based on merrit. Getting a top home grown prospect like Cristall and a cap dump like Mangiapane for Boeser would be a win in my books. This team is boring and lacks scoring, Cristall could potentially help that.

 

[JT Milker]

Even with Hughes, do you actually think the Canucks would win a round? Heck even a game in the first round? Have you seen the past couple months of this team? In the past 22 games they are scoring 2.05 GPG. Watch Boeser walk for free after. Would be the most Canuck thing to do. F-ed

Letting a top 6 forward walk for free would be an amateur tier management move.

To me, keeping Boeser and letting him walk for nothing is loser shit. Cristall tore up camp and preseason games, he really should have made the team based on merrit. Getting a top home grown prospect like Cristall and a cap dump like Mangiapane for Boeser would be a win in my books. This team is boring and lacks scoring, Cristall could potentially help that.

Yes this is a common view by fans. Considering how often playoff teams sell upcoming UFAs, it’s not a common tactic for the individuals actually managing.

 

[MS]

Yes this is a common view by fans. Considering how often playoff teams sell upcoming UFAs, it’s not a common tactic for the individuals actually managing.

Teams in playoff positions do not sell top players. It's incredible that people still don't understand this.

We will not be trading Boeser for picks/prospects barring some sort of weird/complicated deal where we then flip those assets for a different comparable top-6 winger.

 

[supercanuck]

The Wild might be f***ed. Kaprizov is out longer than they thought, possibly for the season. JEEK to miss at least a couple of weeks. Hartman still under suspension (although Good Ol' Gary decided to reduce it). They are comfortably in a playoff spot but really calls into question whether they make any moves to bolster the line-up.

That's a team that could/should make a play for EP. With the aim of contending for next season.

 

[dez]

Yes this is a common view by fans. Considering how often playoff teams sell upcoming UFAs, it’s not a common tactic for the individuals actually managing.

Teams in playoff positions do not sell top players. It's incredible that people still don't understand this.

We will not be trading Boeser for picks/prospects barring some sort of weird/complicated deal where we then flip those assets for a different comparable top-6 winger.

No one is suggesting trading BB for a just 2nd but if you can trade him for a prospect, ROSTER PLAYER and maybe a pick (depending on the other 2 assets). Also by the time the Tdl roles around this team and there 1 Goal/game will be out.

 

[MS]

No one is suggesting trading BB for a just 2nd but if you can trade him for a prospect, ROSTER PLAYER and maybe a pick (depending on the other 2 assets). Also by the time the Tdl roles around this team and there 1 Goal/game will be out.

They won't be trading him for an inferior roster player either.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Teams in playoff positions do not sell top players. It's incredible that people still don't understand this.

We will not be trading Boeser for picks/prospects barring some sort of weird/complicated deal where we then flip those assets for a different comparable top-6 winger.

We aren’t firmly in a playoff position which is why i highly doubt they use Boeser as a self rental. either they sign boeser or trade him for futures before the deadline.

If we were well comfortably in a playoff spot then yeah.

 

[racerjoe]

I am

Yeah, because there are casual after-work functions that you go to. You actually just stopped interacting with your older colleagues straight up outside of work? To me, that's a bit strange.

Horvat learned a bunch from the Sedins, who in turn learned from Naslund and Linden. And yeah, the gap in this case is larger because it wasn't a direct succession, but if EP40 wears an A for the team, a minimal expectation is that he's going to be a leader on the team. Right now he's giving stupid curt answers about the media, and it seems that he isn't turning towards an excellent source of advice for guidance. That's not a good thing to hear. I'm hoping we hear otherwise.

This is just.... wrong.

Petey should absolutely be getting all the advice and mentorship he can from the Twins not only because they are both Hall of Famers and the definition of hard work but because they went through similar struggles/criticisms from the fanbase and media in their early careers.

Not doing so simply reeks of ego and a lack of self awareness. Not traits you want in your franchise centre. You think guys like Crosby and MacKinnon would do the same? No shot.

I am sorry, but these are assine takes when the debate started with pictures of Petey practising with the twins... so he is obviously learning and taking advise from them.

Having a personal relationship with someone and learning from them do not need to be connected like some of you are trying to make out... and that is even if you believe the roomer which i doubt in the first place.

And I don't doubt that Petey probably would be a hard guy to be friends with and all that, just this rumour is pretty laughable when trying to make it mean anything.

petey doesnt show emotion. at all. its like he lost his drive for the game. he needs to see a sports psychologist along with rehabbing his injuries this offseason to be the same elite player he once was when he first arrived into the league. the shot the hesitation is frustrating to watch.

There was just people upset with him being mad when he missed his breakaway...

Do you people even watch the games?

There is lots to complain about, but so much here is being made into something its just not. What terrible exaggeration.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Teams in playoff positions do not sell top players. It's incredible that people still don't understand this.

We will not be trading Boeser for picks/prospects barring some sort of weird/complicated deal where we then flip those assets for a different comparable top-6 winger.

agreed, especially with how wide open the league is this year. Every team either has major holes or significant injuries. I understand if they don't trade Brock but I really hope they don't sign him. Great kid, but his contract will be horrific.

 

[I am toxic]

No one gives a flying f*** if Petey is prickly or treats the house propaganda like shit. It's his on ice performance that matters. Well that and not being a locker room JT

This is just character assassination to deflect attention from management effing up a $96m long term investment

I love it, of course the more toxicity the better. I can hardly wait for next week's unsubstantiated bizarro claim, does Petey kick kittens more often than he spits on puppies? Tune in to Halfbaked and Pigtrough on 650 to find out

 

[ManVanFan]

Yes this is a common view by fans. Considering how often playoff teams sell upcoming UFAs, it’s not a common tactic for the individuals actually managing.

Pure luck how the Canucks always end up in the same place.

 

[Vector]

Teams in playoff positions do not sell top players. It's incredible that people still don't understand this.

We will not be trading Boeser for picks/prospects barring some sort of weird/complicated deal where we then flip those assets for a different comparable top-6 winger.

The only example that I can think of was the Blues trading Kevin Shattenkirk at the 16-17 TDL for picks and prospects.

 

[PavelBure10]

If Pettersson comes in next year and regains his 80-100 point form the Canucks are in a really good position. If Pettersson trains this offseason and there is no change in his game, we are in trouble, serious trouble. I'm praying that this is just a minor blip in Pettersson's career and we all can move on from this controversy. Personally I am getting tired of talking about Pettersson and the million question marks that surround him.

 

[theguardianII]

Distractions;
The Miller rest!!!! The team is not as good and losing
The Miller trade!!!! The team is still bad and losing.
Petey performance!!! The team is losing and even worse.
Hughes Hurt!!!!! The team is wins without him but are still barely a playoff team.
Trade for another Pettersson!!!! The team still staggering and barely .500
Petey perfromance!!!! Tocchet hasn't excercised his option for an extra year and the team is not winning.
Boeser talks!!! And the team is barely in the last playoff spot.
Petey upset with media!!!! Allvin has shat the bed and no notice or word. The team is struggling!!!
Garland has a hang nail!!!! But the team isn't dong much better.
Joshua has an ear ache!!!! The teamisn't winning much.
Sherwood gets hits!!!! But the team struggles to score.
The team can't score!!! But Allvin got rid of the skilled guys for Tocchet boards guys who can hit the boards real good.

 

[ManVanFan]

The only example that I can think of was the Blues trading Kevin Shattenkirk at the 16-17 TDL for picks and prospects.

How many teams are in the same position as the Canucks though. The future is now and the future crumbled this year and there's a slim future ahead. Most teams with constructed rosters like Van's are probably a lot closer to contending. Van this year is nowhere near contending. It's a damn miracle they are even near a playoff spot right now.

The answer might be Filip Hronek. Detroit was 3 points out of a playoff spot and ahead of the team that finished 8th Florida at that time.

Washington last year sold Kuzy, Mantha, Edmunson at the TDL, slide into 8th spot.

 

[ManVanFan]

agreed, especially with how wide open the league is this year. Every team either has major holes or significant injuries. I understand if they don't trade Brock but I really hope they don't sign him. Great kid, but his contract will be horrific.

Canucks media has been talking about poor asset management since the Gillis days. Would truly be Canuck to waste another asset.

 

[pitseleh]

The only example that I can think of was the Blues trading Kevin Shattenkirk at the 16-17 TDL for picks and prospects.

They did the same thing the next year selling Statsny when they were in eighth. Recall a bunch of people thinking they were losers but then they won the Cup the next year.

The Canucks aren’t really in the same position because of Hughes but they wouldn’t be the first.

 

[vancityluongo]

the avs just traded rantanen... and there is nothing in absolute terms that says the canucks have to be bound by precedent

is it likely they move boeser before the deadline? no, probably not, but that doesn't mean it simply cannot happen

 

[Vector]

How many teams are in the same position as the Canucks though. The future is now and the future crumbled this year and there's a slim future ahead. Most teams with constructed rosters like Van's are probably a lot closer to contending. Van this year is nowhere near contending. It's a damn miracle they are even near a playoff spot right now.

The answer might be Filip Hronek. Detroit was 3 points out of a playoff spot and ahead of the team that finished 8th Florida at that time.

Washington last year sold Kuzy, Mantha, Edmunson at the TDL, slide into 8th spot.

Going into the deadline the Capitals were 5 points out of a playoff spot with the Islanders 3 points ahead of them. Like you said, the Red Wings weren't in a playoff position when they traded Hronek. If the Canucks fall out of a playoff spot over the next few games then the equation changes but until that happens, they are a playoff team and it is very rare for teams in a playoff spot to sell off upcoming UFAs for future returns.