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[Mr. Canucklehead]

I would be shocked too because he was traded for a 6th.

Who the heck am I thinking of then…maybe I was shocked he had zero retention?

 

[Fatass]

Jesus these prices are nuts. We'd be fools not to score some value on our UFAs.

Yup. If Nyquist got a second as a rental Boeser has to be a first and a good prospect.

 

[Vector]

Who the heck am I thinking of then…maybe I was shocked he had zero retention?

Coyotes gave him away for pretty much nothing because they were too cheap to retain. Same thing with Matt Dumba.

 

[bossram]

Yup. If Nyquist got a second as a rental Boeser has to be a first and a good prospect.

Yep. It's a seller's market.

Nyquist is having a miserable season and returned a 2nd. They have to trade Boeser. The return will be a 1st+ at absolute minimum.

 

[kanucks25]

This either guarantees that Boeser is going to Minnesota for a 1st or JEE (or both!)

are you high

 

[sting101]

I could live with a Boeser deal if they get a young C back with top6 ability

 

[Bobby9]

Who does Vegas have these days that’s available?

Brock seems like the kind of big name they like adding at the TDL

 

[Fatass]

Yep. It's a seller's market.

Nyquist is having a miserable season and returned a 2nd. They have to trade Boeser. The return will be a 1st+ at absolute minimum.

Snd we’ve seen Allvin use the pick he gets in one trade to acquire the player he really wants. So it’s likely Allvin is already set up what the cost will be for a guy he covets and will move Boeser to whomever will pay that. I hope that’s what’s coming.

 

[ziploc]

are you high

The Minn Wild (wink wink) are desperate for Boeser (Wild Batsignal). They will trade just about anyone for him.

Snd we’ve seen Allvin use the pick he gets in one trade to acquire the player he really wants. So it’s likely Allvin is already set up what the cost will be for a guy he covets and will move Boeser to whomever will pay that. I hope that’s what’s coming.

Agreed. I think we will see Boeser moved for picks, and then picks moved for a 2C.

 

[bossram]

Yep Kesler had 140pts in 320 games by 25
Cozens 196 in 337 is on the same track

Except Kesler always had a reliable defensive game to fall back on, and Cozens is very terrible defensively.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Cozens projects more as a Jeff Carter than a Ryan Kesler.

 

[JT Milker]

Can you imagine a team operating this way ... they must be out of the playoff race. Blasphemy.

Because NYR has been so well run this year!

 

[Fatass]

The Minn Wild (wink wink) are desperate for Boeser (Wild Batsignal). They will trade just about anyone for him.


Agreed. I think we will see Boeser moved for picks, and then picks moved for a 2C.

Is Josh Norris too injured to target? He has top two C skill and is younger. I think it’s a shoulder thing that’s concerning?

 

[arttk]

Is Josh Norris too injured to target? He has top two C skill and is younger. I think it’s a shoulder thing that’s concerning?

That’s the 8M X4 question

 

[dbaz]

they need a 2026 1st or ideally a centre prospect as the main piece for boeser.
I don't think you'd get top tier prospects for boeser like yurov or leonard.. but you might be able to get Heidt from Minny. Maybe something around Sillinger from CBJ

 

[Bobby9]

Cozens projects more as a Jeff Carter than a Ryan Kesler.

Are you sure? Do you understand the nuances,

 

[Fatass]

That’s the 8M X4 question

I’d hope Allvin would include Hughes in a discussion about Norris. They’re good buddies I think, so he’d know.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Are you sure? Do you understand the nuances,

Yeah, Cozens has slightly bagged knees and he has a black taped curve on his stick.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

I’m not expecting any significant roster surgery here. If the Canucks do decide to move on from guys like Petey or Demko, I think that comes in the off season.

I think even if they don’t extend him, they’re keeping Boeser.

What I do see as possible is the Canucks moving out a player who’s been pushed out of a spot (Soucy), and maybe using their cap space to land a player on an unattractive deal plus some assets. Whether it’s a guy on an expiring deal like JG Pageau, or a guy with some term left like Josh Anderson.

My exact thoughts … Soucy is a great target for a ton of play off teams. With the apparent cost of dmen rn, hoping some scoring help, although I’m expecting it to be a middle six meh guy, but hopefully some youth with more potential.

 

[ziploc]

Is Josh Norris too injured to target? He has top two C skill and is younger. I think it’s a shoulder thing that’s concerning?

The contract is a worry for the injury concerns and lack of recent production.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Except Kesler always had a reliable defensive game to fall back on, and Cozens is very terrible defensively.

Yeah. These guys comparing Kesler to Cozens is hilarious. Kesler came in as a defensive first, checking forward then evolved his scoring from there. Cozens .. is not that.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

I could live with a Boeser deal if they get a young C back with top6 ability

my dream scenario is boeser and chytil to an impatient win-now team for a bona fide young 1B center

 

[LemonSauceD]

This just shows a lack of understanding of the nuance of the game.

The problem with Petey isn't 'effort'. You have literally never ever seen him coast back on a back check or give up the puck to avoid taking a hit.

It's being physically compromised, then not training right, and then losing his confidence entirely.

He's a proud athlete who has been able to trust his body his whole life.

So when he would make a read, he could just intuit that his body would do what he wanted it to do.

That combination, incredible hockey sense, superlative body control, a quick first step, a great shot, and the dexterity of a contortionist are what turned him into a star.

Currently, he doesn't have the physical attributes he's used to, his confidence is sapped. And the few times he does try things, he's getting jammed like a junior star learning his moves don't work at the NHL level.
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I have seen him try cutbacks and get stuffed by like 4th line wingers who read it like a book.

When you lack confidence, you're just waiting for your move not to work.

The mind body connection is a fascinating thing. We can THINK we're playing our hardest, and end the game exhausted. We can THINK we're trying to be offensively daring, but that doesn't mean the output is the same.

I know that I have had stretches myself when playing where nothing I do works at all and I don't understand it.

Then something happens and I realize that I was making my first move and then pausing expecting to get checked and needing to back check, or else feeling like the player would know he was beaten and just quit.

When I find success again is when I'm incisive in my move and then already making the next one. It's a subtle but masssssive difference.

And I'm not comparing myself in anyway to an NHLer but I promise you that the psychology is the same.

Currently, he doesn't trust himself and he's trying not to hurt the team and trying to avoid humiliation.

He's hiding from the puck by 'doing the right thing' like giving the puck to a Tyler Myers and driving the net for a rebound.

In a vacuum, that's a 'smart' play. But an offensive driver who is feeling himself wants to be the one making the play, not the one supporting it.

And currently he's scared of failure, and so he's hiding from those opportunities.

It's hard to watch but I promise you nobody hates him more than he hates himself right now. I've been there and it infects your entire life and I didn't have a city ragging on me about the money I made. I was just a dude who felt like I was letting down my team.

He will come back from this a better and stronger player. But while I think he has more in him than he's mostly shown this year, he's not going to look like himself this year. He just won't. He needs a summer to train properly and remind himself who he is - a superstar in this league.

Think about how much Calgary regrets trading Sam Bennett for the equivalent of 2 2nds, right now? Like it looks appalling and it doesn't help them at all.

Dealing Petey just to 'get out of the deal' is a nightmare scenario and I pray that Alvin has bigger balls than that.

There's almost zero chance that at 26 he has just suddenly gone from being a top 7 center in the league to a JAG.

It feels like a long time we have been watching this because his poor play impacted the one time we have been relevant in ages, and because a year feels like a long time when you experience every day.

But assuming he gets his game back next year, by the end of his career this year won't even be a footnote unless we trade him for some bullshit and he humiliates us for 10 years.

i mean the coach publicly called him out for not moving his legs multiple times hinting he’s got to have a higher effort.

History has also shown he has had extremely long lengths of this kind of play.

I’m sorry but going multiple games without an attempted shot let alone a shot on goal is embarrassing and it is directly correlated with effort. I was as big of a Petey defender as there was on these boards, but for me, as soon as you string multiple, now consecutive games, of just absolutely doing NOTHING, legitimately NOTHING, posting 0’s all game, it’s the last straw.

He didn’t show up at all in a playoffs where we legitimately had a chance at winning a cup or at the very least making it to the Finals. At least you could see him trying out there and I defended him.

These last couple of weeks, he’s not trying, and when you couple every single damn thing that’s happened over this past year, his ominous comments to the media over the years wanting to play for a competitive team insinuating he’d leave if we aren’t and then his subsequent no show, his other long stretches of slumps, his egotistical attitude towards media, it’s hard not to dislike the player and just want him gone.

I’d rather have a 60-70 point guy who battles hard, no questions on where his loyalties lie, is vocal and collaborative while also being a respectful teammate, puts his heart on his sleeve, is consistent year in and year out, and plays for his teammates than a primadonna PPG center who can go upwards of a year of uninspired and inconsistent play, is oft injured, and postures to the media.

 

[kcunac]

As if Boeser could fetch Byfield:

Kings Rumors: Quinton Byfield could be traded by deadline

The Los Angeles Kings sit 31-18-8 on the season, third in the Pacific Division. GM Rob Blake will be aggressive ahead of the trade deadline,...

www.nhltraderumors.me

 

[JT Milker]

As if Boeser could fetch Byfield:

Kings Rumors: Quinton Byfield could be traded by deadline

The Los Angeles Kings sit 31-18-8 on the season, third in the Pacific Division. GM Rob Blake will be aggressive ahead of the trade deadline,...

www.nhltraderumors.me

Byfield and a cap dump for Pettersson is actually an interesting scenario. Each team is trading an underperforming centre that could end up looking bad for them in the near future.