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[Diablo2020]

Jer, don’t bother. I have been concerned about EP116 since his second season. All the red flags were there.

I was blown away they paid him to be the franchise player. I’ve been in exchanges with the pretendonitis crowd ever since even though the facts and reality is proving them all wrong. People who have debilitating injuries dont play through them for years. Ownership groups dont let their franchise players play through injuries for years.

In every industry in the world management let personnel take time off when they’re really struggling. They won’t send them to tournaments or add more work to their workload.

Sometimes you just have to let people be totally delusional

Let me spell out reality again. He is a very skilled player but he isn’t built to play against the other centres in the West. When the style of play changes in the playoffs he will be exposed badly. He’s injury prone and appears to be very mentally fragile. His game was built of speed and IQ/skill. Now that he’s damages good it’s just a slow smart player.

As a complimentary 7 million dollar player he has tremendous value to a team but as THE guy on a team? The team stands no chance. He is not a driver. He lacks intensity and the ability to take games over. He needed JT more than anybody on our team to balance the skill/strength balance out. He is very badly exposed right now and his value will continue to plummet.

If that formatted badly im sorry but it all went downhill his first season.

Also all this discord about his knee and tendonitis and no one has said a peep about his wrist lately.

He's semi cooked, imo as well.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

So because he went full Fernando Pisani 8 years ago we should hold out hope?

Sports generally are a what have you done for me lately industry. All EP116 has done is sulk, face plant and let down the team( the city and the organization. I don’t care what he did in the SHL

All I'm saying is that there have been multiple instances in the past where Petey has performed extremely well in playoff situations, while being younger/weaker/lighter/etc. His playstyle, which was your concern in the post I quoted, didn't held him back. There is no reason to think that his play style will hold him back in the future, unless his knee is not/will not recover.

I have no concern with peak EP40 in a 7 games playoff series. I do have major concern of the current EP40 in a 7 games series though. Here's hoping he can get back to that level.

 

[Quinning]

EP40 has been, and remains, very concerning. They need to move his contract in the off-season before July 1 if this continues.

 

[beachcomber]

Are you asking me? I don’t know what scouts do in terms of ratings.

I think when JT was playing well we had a great 1-2 punch. EP w speed and IQ. JT with strength and good size.

Well now we are putting the lions share of all of the match ups on a flawed player. I feel bad for him.

Unless we are able to find that type of player to slot in to the team EP will continue to get crushed. Like can you actually imagine a 1st round series against Edmonton right now?

I wonder who McDavid was more worried about playing against last playoffs? It sure wasn’t Petey.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Ridiculous if you think EP40 can't rebound and we should sell him at a discount........I just don't get those sentiments. He's clearly having a shit year. He didn't all of a sudden lose all his talent or drive.........

All these arm chair gms stating TRADE HIM...........laughable. At this point that would be a terrible move......absolutely terrible.

Give him a very stern directive re training this offseason and see how he comes back.........much better option then trading him for pennies on the dollar........

 

[Hyzer]

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If that formatted badly im sorry but it all went downhill his first season.

Also all this discord about his knee and tendonitis and no one has said a peep about his wrist lately.

He's semi cooked, imo as well.

When I brought up why he basically never shoots anymore, I was told that was his knee not allowing him to load up or shoot correctly by posters here and that his tendonitis injury was to blame

I really don't buy it and it really is very concerning how little he shoots now in comparison to previous years and the accuracy/power of his shot is basically gone. It's more of multi level issues now - are his knees f***ed? IF they are, what does that mean? Is his wrist screwed and thats why he doesn't shoot? Or is it because of his apparent knee injury? Or is it his mental that's cooked? Which would more all the more concerning out of everything physically related, imo.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Ridiculous if you think EP40 can't rebound and we should sell him at a discount........I just don't get those sentiments. He's clearly having a shit year. He didn't all of a sudden lose all his talent or drive.........

All these arm chair gms stating TRADE HIM...........laughable. At this point that would be a terrible move......absolutely terrible.

Give him a very stern directive re training this offseason and see how he comes back.........much better option then trading him for pennies on the dollar........

Agreed. Too many think we can just find a superstar replacement. I'd rather gamble on Pete getting his form back rather than a project player that we hope can. Pete ready proved he can be a superstar in this league.

 

[VancouverJagger]

EP40 has been, and remains, very concerning. They need to move his contract in the off-season before July 1 if this continues.

AFter all this the solution is to trade him cus he sucks right now? LOL.........yes let's sell a distressed asset for 1/2 of what he's worth instead of giving him a full off season of training to get his act together........brilliant plan

 

[VancouverJagger]

Agreed. Too many think we can just find a superstar replacement. I'd rather gamble on Pete getting his form back rather than a project player that we hope can. Pete ready proved he can be a superstar in this league.

1000000000% YES........

Like a player like this is easily replaceable is laughable........

For better or for worse our best course of action is to pray he gets his act together over the summer and trains his ass off........(while hoping whatever ailments he has had improve and don't prohibit his training).

WE might not love this idea however it's BY FAR the best course of action..........trading him now would be a massive mistake imo.........I'd much sooner bank on him returning to form then living with whatever B level players we end up with (especially when it's clear that it's his edge work and burst that need work - something training can alleviate)

 

[sandwichbird2023]

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If that formatted badly im sorry but it all went downhill his first season.

Also all this discord about his knee and tendonitis and no one has said a peep about his wrist lately.

He's semi cooked, imo as well.

Oh man that knee does not look good in that picture.

I also remember early in the 2023-24 season, Myers went to throw a hit but took out Petey instead, and his knee also seems to bend in a way looks a lot like the picture above. I think that was against Tampa?

No wonder his knee has tendonitis!

But it does become a question whether all these knee injuries are likely to make his tendonitis a chronic issue? It definitely wouldn't surprise me if it does.

When I brought up why he basically never shoots anymore, I was told that was his knee not allowing him to load up or shoot correctly by posters here and that his tendonitis injury was to blame

I really don't buy it and it really is very concerning how little he shoots now in comparison to previous years and the accuracy/power of his shot is basically gone. It's more of multi level issues now - are his knees f***ed? IF they are, what does that mean? Is his wrist screwed and thats why he doesn't shoot? Or is it because of his apparent knee injury? Or is it his mental that's cooked? Which would more all the more concerning out of everything physically related, imo.

Petey sniped 2 against the Sharks in December and then was out for a while with an upper body injury. Not sure if its the wrist or shoulder or whatever, but it is possible that he is not shooting as much for self-preservation purpose. Its like he doesn't shoot because he knows there is a chance it would cause him an injury.

The knee isn't the only thing bothering him. You wonder if he can ever be fully healthy, or will he be a player that is always "battling something."

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Usually when we’re injured we rest and recover. Not play in a world class tournament. That would almost make it seem like the person playing isn’t injured.

But if any of the pretend injury crowd admitted that then they would have to face that the player isn’t that good right now

Pro athletes are wired differently than us. That’s why they made it pro and some of us are just amateurs.

 

[IComeInPeace]

1000000000% YES........

Like a player like this is easily replaceable is laughable........

For better or for worse our best course of action is to pray he gets his act together over the summer and trains his ass off........(while hoping whatever ailments he has had improve and don't prohibit his training).

WE might not love this idea however it's BY FAR the best course of action..........trading him now would be a massive mistake imo.........I'd much sooner bank on him returning to form then living with whatever B level players we end up with (especially when it's clear that it's his edge work and burst that need work - something training can alleviate)

Yep….thats frustration talking.

The best bet is on him regaining his form.

Personally, I think he will bounce back (I doubt it’s this season though)…

…but, once he’s bounced back and regained his trade value, I’d look hard at trading him at that point because I just don’t see him as a guy you can count on if you’re trying to compete for a Cup year in and year out.

If I’m investing that much dough in a guy I want to know I can count on him year in and year out.

 

[FuzzyTitus]

Oh man that knee does not look good in that picture.

I also remember early in the 2023-24 season, Myers went to throw a hit but took out Petey instead, and his knee also seems to bend in a way looks a lot like the picture above. I think that was against Tampa?

No wonder his knee has tendonitis!

But it does become a question whether all these knee injuries are likely to make his tendonitis a chronic issue? It definitely wouldn't surprise me if it does.


Petey sniped 2 against the Sharks in December and then was out for a while with an upper body injury. Not sure if its the wrist or shoulder or whatever, but it is possible that he is not shooting as much for self-preservation purpose. Its like he doesn't shoot because he knows there is a chance it would cause him an injury.

The knee isn't the only thing bothering him. You wonder if he can ever be fully healthy, or will he be a player that is always "battling something."

If these are recurring things it would only make it more baffling for management to give him a long term high AAV contract.

If they knew he had these risks why commit long term.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Yep….thats frustration talking.

The best bet is on him regaining his form.

Personally, I think he will bounce back (I doubt it’s this season though)…

…but, once he’s bounced back and regained his trade value, I’d look hard at trading him at that point because I just don’t see him as a guy you can count on if you’re trying to compete for a Cup year in and year out.

If I’m investing that much dough in a guy I want to know I can count on him year in and year out.

JR was the one who said “Petey knows what he needs to be doing now”. It’s really all on him. If he can’t find a proper playing weight by 27, he’ll never figure it out. I have faith in him. Whether he figures it out in Vancouver is also up to him. I think he’ll figure it out eventually. He’s too smart not to.

Y’all are pissing your pants over hypotheticals. Torts would be so disappointed in all of you. I just find it funny.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Jer, don’t bother. I have been concerned about EP116 since his second season. All the red flags were there.

I was blown away they paid him to be the franchise player. I’ve been in exchanges with the pretendonitis crowd ever since even though the facts and reality is proving them all wrong. People who have debilitating injuries dont play through them for years. Ownership groups dont let their franchise players play through injuries for years.

In every industry in the world management let personnel take time off when they’re really struggling. They won’t send them to tournaments or add more work to their workload.

Sometimes you just have to let people be totally delusional

Let me spell out reality again. He is a very skilled player but he isn’t built to play against the other centres in the West. When the style of play changes in the playoffs he will be exposed badly. He’s injury prone and appears to be very mentally fragile. His game was built of speed and IQ/skill. Now that he’s damages good it’s just a slow smart player.

As a complimentary 7 million dollar player he has tremendous value to a team but as THE guy on a team? The team stands no chance. He is not a driver. He lacks intensity and the ability to take games over. He needed JT more than anybody on our team to balance the skill/strength balance out. He is very badly exposed right now and his value will continue to plummet.

You would’ve preferred to draft Cody Glass it sounds like….

Where is he again?

 

[sting101]

Absolutely huge decision coming because once 40 gets NMC control we lose a lot of leverage and subsequently asset value in a deal if you pivot later.

If he has chronic issues with his knee to go with his slight and vulnerable frame we could be saddled with a horrible contract situation rather quickly if he continues to get hurt and then struggle with feeling "right" enough to be a difference maker

If he was more impressive athletically i would be more bullish on a return to form. He's 26 now and i wouldn't expect much muscle growth at this stage and on average he's more of a PPG scorer than a 100pt Selke winner like he's getting paid. I have serious durability concerns because of his agility more than his speed which has shown previously to be a plus trait. A lot of the minus strength level stars are incredibly elusive

This really could go either way. Both sides of the fence have valid arguments as long as there is acknowledgement that the knee has taken enough speed and pop to hinder this last year.

 

[Bobby9]

You would’ve preferred to draft Cody Glass it sounds like….

Where is he again?

No I think it was a good choice at the time but you also have to call a spade a spade. We should have traded him when his value was his highest.

We all know and seen his red flags. Could have had a franchise changing trade but the management doubled down on him.

This is mainly a management issue. The player is what the player is but how JR and Allvin didn’t see his short comings is insane to me

 

[Bobby9]

Agreed. Too many think we can just find a superstar replacement. I'd rather gamble on Pete getting his form back rather than a project player that we hope can. Pete ready proved he can be a superstar in this league.

Do you under stand the consequences of having a 12M dollar severely under performing asset on this team w zero C prospects in the pipeline?

A decade of being unable to compete.

You really believe in him that much?

 

[B-rock]

Ridiculous if you think EP40 can't rebound and we should sell him at a discount........I just don't get those sentiments. He's clearly having a shit year. He didn't all of a sudden lose all his talent or drive.........

All these arm chair gms stating TRADE HIM...........laughable. At this point that would be a terrible move......absolutely terrible.

Give him a very stern directive re training this offseason and see how he comes back.........much better option then trading him for pennies on the dollar........

It’s been poor post all star break last season and all of this season. Not sure where you’re drawing the line but his play has been poor for going on two seasons now with little indication that it’s improving.

 

[sting101]

Speaking of Cody Glass....i wouldn't mind giving him a shot at replacing Suter if they move on. He's another guy who's injury set backs has stunted his growth as a player. Obviously a plan B type move but it's also someone who is 25 now and could still resurrect his value throughout the league and be used later in a bigger deal if the better move is to remain patient and wait for a quality C to come available

On Norris....like the player a lot and think he would be seamless in the room but his shoulder is mush and he also get s alot of value playing where Pettersson does on the PP. I suppose he could become a bumper guy but i would not be giving up any serious assets

Mercer Cozens Sillinger are my top targets

 

[Diablo2020]

Agreed. Too many think we can just find a superstar replacement. I'd rather gamble on Pete getting his form back rather than a project player that we hope can. Pete ready proved he can be a superstar in this league.

I keep seeing this word superstar.

Quinn is a superstar. Elias could have been.

That rookie season until injury was amazing.

But stop being fooled by his 102 point year when the team went 38-37-7 for 83 paltry points.

Bo's 31 goals in 49 games sure helped inflate especially on the PP.

Miller was at his absolute peak that year and took alot of focus off Elias.

Kuzy ended up with 35 assists and gets no credit for his playmaking that year.

And Hughes was just starting his ascent to greatness and finished with 69 helpers himself.

Id say he was a product of a juggernaught PP on a really middling team that finished one game above .500 and canned their coach mid season.

Petey has now become Jason Allison. Jason made it to 30 then his knees and back and wrist gave up.

This year he has 1 goal more than Jp Pageau and 5 more assists. But both have been solid defensively.

Thats what we're replacing today. Not some Pavel Datsyuk or Sergei Fedorov that fans have portrayed him to be off some flashes of greatness he hasnt kept up.

100 somewhat "elite" games in his 436 game career does not make a superstar.

 

[andora]

Does anyone in the media use the term distressed asset - or has that strictly come from fans

 

[supercanuck]

This talk about trading him before his NMC kicks in makes no sense to me. He basically already has an NMC. Based on reports, he was promised one when he signed. His agent is one of the most powerful in the industry who is also QH's agent. NMC players can be traded anyways, but let's not pretend that they will just trade EP to Siberia just because they "can", and without his input.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Does anyone in the media use the term distressed asset - or has that strictly come from fans

Media = negative/distressed asset
Fans = overpaid/useless/garbage

 

[Diablo2020]

This talk about trading him before his NMC kicks in makes no sense to me. He basically already has an NMC. Based on reports, he was promised one when he signed. His agent is one of the most powerful in the industry who is also QH's agent. NMC players can be traded anyways, but let's not pretend that they will just trade EP to Siberia just because they "can", and without his input.

Oh my goodness thats why this is a BLESSING!

You right, Havlat for Hossa isnt supposed to happen and is kind of a snake move.

But this couldnt be further from that! This is a monopoly get out of NMC free card.

All this talk, all this drama, all this speculation, two attempted trades already... This is out in the open.

WE have the chance to dump our Seth Jones.

Sure, everyone is right...

Sillinger, Boqvist, Jiricek and Heimoslami is four quarters for a dollar.

We aint getting a "superstar" back for Petey. (We aint trading one IN petey either)

But in the right package of quarters, much like with Miller just now (mpete, oconnor, chytil, mancini), we CAN be a better team and better set capwise.

I dont want to hope we can OEL him two years into this NMC. Id rather OEL him now even if Loui, Beags and Rooster is worthless.

Heck we even have our exact Garland comparable to that time in Hoglander.

Forget that handshake. Things change Mox.