Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | 4 Nations Break Edition

[HairyKneel]

I thank God for people like Trevor every day. He was the perfect Canuck. Not the greatest Canuck, but the perfect Canuck. LIke, when I think Canuck, I think Trevor Linden hockey. In-your-face, hard-nosed, respectful hockey with a mind for whatever the next shift needed.

Wasn't my point. I was just asking 'what about him'.... he was hard working good kid, my age almost to the day but not hard nosed or in anyone's face. Honest player, tremendous person.

A perfect Canuck is the guy who hoists the cup first

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Wasn't my point. I was just asking 'what about him'.... he was hard working good kid, my age almost to the day but not hard nosed or in anyone's face. Honest player, tremendous person.

A perfect Canuck is the guy who hoists the cup first

I like that attitude. That last line. I think that player already exist. That's the funny thing.

 

[HairyKneel]

I like that attitude. That last line. I think that player already exist. That's the funny thing.

Can we keep him Pocompton?

He is the real deal.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Can we keep him Pocompton?

He is the real deal.

Don't know how you know that but I'd prefer that, yeah.

Unless you're talking some gangster or murderer shit. I don't play guns. We down with chilling, not killing. Peeeeeacceeee. :0

 

[F A N]

We also jettisoned two guys that were poor fits here and picked up O’Connor who needs to be re-signed, but looks like he could be a very good fit.

I get that but I was responding to Nick Lang saying getting M-Petey instead signing Zadorov shows the value of patience. There is clearly an asset cost difference here.

I liked Zadorov and was on board with extending him. But I’m not sure how much he really wanted to be here. He was on a podcast in the summer and brought up a conversation he and Lindholm had about both signing in Boston when they were in town to face the Bruins (Feb 8th 2024).

That's just talk for the fans though and at the time they were both pending UFAs. Listen to the podcasts Zadorov did when he was a Flame. He knows what to say. Plus, in the interviews I have seen where Canucks players get asked about their favourite away city they respond genuinely as if they have thought about it already.

We did eventually offer him the same deal he got there and he still chose them.

Zadorov was offered basically an equal contract with the Canucks and decided to sign in Boston for whatever reason. I guess you can criticize them for waiting to long to sign him, or not managing the relationship well, but I think you can also openly question whether he ever intended to sign in Vancouver or was just using them as leverage to go somewhere else.

Tampering aside, the whole point of having negotiation rights is that there's no guarantee that another team would make the offer the player wants. I'm not sure that you can take away the importance of managing the relationship. I mean from what Rutherford said, they were relying on Tocchet's intel. What was Milstein demanding before Zadorov became a UFA?

From what was reported, Canucks made Zadorov a 4x$4.6M offer and Zadorov came back wanting a 5 year deal. After the playoffs Zadorov raised his ask. If the Canucks then came back with 5x$4.6M then of course Zadorov said no. The closer to free agency the more intel Zadorov's camp is going to get.

Our management team has a habit of starting low and working their way up. Sometimes it works. We were far apart in extending Miller then all of a sudden we made a bit move up and we extended Miller. It didn't work so well with Horvat as we lowballed him. It didn't work for Zadorov either as we could have signed him for 5x$4.6M before the playoffs.

 

[HairyKneel]

You had on your profile a bit back that you resided in Picktonville. Hopefully its the good side bro.

 

[HairyKneel]

Hairy is not a south side Sosh

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

It’s very apparent that nothing is going on because this thread is getting derailed.

Looking forward to the 4 Nations being over so the rumours start flying again as we head to the TDL.

Hoping mgmt stays active and with some surprises thrown in.

 

[sting101]

I’d rather go after Sillinger.

Most of these other options are not appealing.

Sillinger is a great target because he not only fits the profile we need but he also is the most likely to be shopped.

With Fantilli and Lindstrom projected to be top6 Cs and Del Bel Belluz being a steal in the 2022 draft who is also trending that way it's a probability they would move Sillinger to address other needs like a scoring winger

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I can see Allvin going after Josh Norris. Top six skills and younger. Norris is a distressed asset (injuries and contract) so the cost to acquire would be minimal.

I wonder if there is a potential deal involving EP40 ++ for Brady Tkachuk + Norris?

EP40 and Brady has been linked previously, and Norris is apparently a target of the Nucks now. We lose a 1C (that hasn't played like one in 12 months counting), but we gain 2 players that brings more speed and physicality to the lineup. Norris-Chytil-Suter down the middle is pretty rough, and with the injuries history of the first two, we could be icing Suter as 1C at some point, BUT we do bring in two of Quinn's BFF in this trade, so there is that Also we do have the cap space for this I believe.

I don't envy Allvin right now, feels like whatever he does with Petey (keep him or trade him) can blow up hugely in his face. It could be a move/non-move that gets him fired.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Sillinger is a great target because he not only fits the profile we need but he also is the most likely to be shopped.

With Fantilli and Lindstrom projected to be top6 Cs and Del Bel Belluz being a steal in the 2022 draft who is also trending that way it's a probability they would move Sillinger to address other needs like a scoring winger

How does Columbus have such an embarrassing amount of great prospects over the years and can’t find themselves close to respectable
Current catastrophe aside, that franchise must forget to practice or sharpen their skates or something. They should be happily sitting in a Divisional spot neck and neck with New Jersey but they will probably end up barely squeaking in a wild card at best

 

[Fatass]

I wonder if there is a potential deal involving EP40 ++ for Brady Tkachuk + Norris?

EP40 and Brady has been linked previously, and Norris is apparently a target of the Nucks now. We lose a 1C (that hasn't played like one in 12 months counting), but we gain 2 players that brings more speed and physicality to the lineup. Norris-Chytil-Suter down the middle is pretty rough, and with the injuries history of the first two, we could be icing Suter as 1C at some point, BUT we do bring in two of Quinn's BFF in this trade, so there is that Also we do have the cap space for this I believe.

I don't envy Allvin right now, feels like whatever he does with Petey (keep him or trade him) can blow up hugely in his face. It could be a move/non-move that gets him fired.

Love to get Brady Tkatchuk but I think he’s one of those untouchable players. And with the Sens looking like a for sure playoff team now it’s doubtful he would do a Miller and want out.

 

[sting101]

How does Columbus have such an embarrassing amount of great prospects over the years and can’t find themselves close to respectable
Current catastrophe aside, that franchise must forget to practice or sharpen their skates or something. They should be happily sitting in a Divisional spot neck and neck with New Jersey but they will probably end up barely squeaking in a wild card at best

It's more about maturity and getting the talented youngsters into their primes.

Also lost Gaudreau and unfortunatley inherited Laine who is a detriment to any teams Core/Cap with his lazy mercurial play and behaviour. No surprise that every team that has moved away from him they come together and have more success. Obviously it took the Jets a 2nd move to get rid of another room killer in Dubois

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

How does Columbus have such an embarrassing amount of great prospects over the years and can’t find themselves close to respectable
Current catastrophe aside, that franchise must forget to practice or sharpen their skates or something. They should be happily sitting in a Divisional spot neck and neck with New Jersey but they will probably end up barely squeaking in a wild card at best

Same can be said for Buffalo.

Sometimes the mix just does not work.

 

[sting101]

Love to get Brady Tkatchuk but I think he’s one of those untouchable players. And with the Sens looking like a for sure playoff team now it’s doubtful he would do a Miller and want out.

Yes there is zero chance the Sens are moving BT without him hinting he's moving on.

 

[PavelBure10]

I thank God for people like Trevor every day. He was the perfect Canuck. Not the greatest Canuck, but the perfect Canuck. LIke, when I think Canuck, I think Trevor Linden hockey. In-your-face, hard-nosed, respectful hockey with a mind for whatever the next shift needed.

I agree Linden was the prototypical Canuck. He stepped it up in the big games, and garnered a great return with the Islanders trade. Anyway you look at it, he always seemed to help out the team. Linden was a fantastic Canuck and one of the fans alltime favorites. It's too bad that when he was the Canucks president being Aquamans/Bennings puppet his fandom taken a bit of a hit. Linden was made the face of being the bad guy having to answer for all of Bennings stupid decisions. Linden knew though, he knew the franchise needed a rebuild and aquaman wanted no part of that. Gotta love this cursed franchise and their remarkable way of turning on their most beloved players.

Love Linden though, super nice guy, genuine person and a heck of a hockey player.

 

[Fatass]

Yes there is zero chance the Sens are moving BT without him hinting he's moving on.

If it’s a Sen coming our way, I think Norris would be the guy. Big risk though, with those injuries he has and the contract. Reward would be high though if his shoulders last.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Sillinger is a great target because he not only fits the profile we need but he also is the most likely to be shopped.

With Fantilli and Lindstrom projected to be top6 Cs and Del Bel Belluz being a steal in the 2022 draft who is also trending that way it's a probability they would move Sillinger to address other needs like a scoring winger

Yep and they have Monahan for another 4 years and Jenner and Voronkov who’s a natural C playing wing atm.

Chinakov is also someone I’d target in a package. Idk if Boeser gets it done for both but maybe Sillinger? I’d have no problem sending a 1st for Sillinger/Chinakov package along with Boeser.

 

[Jerry the great]

I wonder if there is a potential deal involving EP40 ++ for Brady Tkachuk + Norris?

EP40 and Brady has been linked previously, and Norris is apparently a target of the Nucks now. We lose a 1C (that hasn't played like one in 12 months counting), but we gain 2 players that brings more speed and physicality to the lineup. Norris-Chytil-Suter down the middle is pretty rough, and with the injuries history of the first two, we could be icing Suter as 1C at some point, BUT we do bring in two of Quinn's BFF in this trade, so there is that Also we do have the cap space for this I believe.

I don't envy Allvin right now, feels like whatever he does with Petey (keep him or trade him) can blow up hugely in his face. It could be a move/non-move that gets him fired.

haha people were not receptive to this hypothetical trade in the fall when i suggested a Pettersson/Tkachuk swap. Based on EP40's continued collapse, there is no chance Ottawa does this deal. Brady is way more valuable.

Until Pettersson regains his prior form, he's not returning much in trade and there isn't a GM who would trade the premiere apex predator in the game for him.

 

[arttk]

Neither explanation for Pettersson is particularly promising. Either he’s a total head case (which is at least something you can work on), or he’s got a degenerative injury he’s having trouble playing through that can’t be treated. Or a bit of both.

On one hand, I guess if he has the “yips” as some have speculated I guess there’s a rationale for keeping him and getting him a shrink. On the other hand, if he’s damaged goods physically at his age you probably want out of that contract asap.

None of the options are very good, unfortunately. The fact is at his current level of play he isn’t even that hard to replace, people are only worried he’ll bounce back.

Or if you actually read about it and learn that knee tendonitis takes a full calendar year to heal and he’ll most likely be fine with a healthy offseason to train.

 

[PavelBure10]

It's amazing how much Pettersson's trade value dropped. Pettersson would of easily netted Brady Tkachuk before, now I don't think Pettersson + + gets you a guy like Brady. Sucks.

At this point yeah Allvin is in a tough position. Keep Petey and get locked into a ridiculous contract in hopes Petey can rejuvenate his game. Or trade him now for a solid package that could help the team.

I like Petey but at this point if Allvin is offered something attractive, I would consider taking the deal. I want to believe that Pettersson can find his former self, but I am extremely worried that the star Swede is damaged goods. 11.6 million is too much for a player who may or may not find his former self.

 

[racerjoe]

I don’t think Petterssons trade value has dropped yet, it’s just the way some here perceive it. Could it drop, absolutely, but GMs aren’t that dumb… well most of them… ok some of them.

Again it should be reminded the Pettersson to the Canes was going to be more than what the Avs got for Rantanaan.

 

[Fatass]

It's amazing how much Pettersson's trade value dropped. Pettersson would of easily netted Brady Tkachuk before, now I don't think Pettersson + + gets you a guy like Brady. Sucks.

At this point yeah Allvin is in a tough position. Keep Petey and get locked into a ridiculous contract in hopes Petey can rejuvenate his game. Or trade him now for a solid package that could help the team.

I like Petey but at this point if Allvin is offered something attractive, I would consider taking the deal. I want to believe that Pettersson can find his former self, but I am extremely worried that the star Swede is savaged goods. 11.6 million is too much for a player who may or may not find his former self.

Allvin knows if Petey’s downturn in play is from his knee stuff or other factors are in play. We’ve all seen what a healthy Petey can do.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Y’all sound like you’ve never had knee problems and I’m so happy for all of you.

I don’t think Petterssons trade value has dropped yet, it’s just the way some here perceive it. Could it drop, absolutely, but GMs aren’t that dumb… well most of them… ok some of them.

Again it should be reminded the Pettersson to the Canes was going to be more than what the Avs got for Rantanaan.

EP’s value is only as low as we perceive it to be. GMs have to sing for their supper, we just bloviate and watch the next game. Unfortunately, this makes some GMs just as myopic as we are.

 

[arttk]

Y’all sound like you’ve never had knee problems and I’m so happy for all of you.

Seriously..
I feel like a lot of folks here have never experience any type of injuries that actually limits what you can do physically and assumes that all athletes can simply play through it by taking some Tylenol and shit.