Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | 4 Nations Break Edition

[andora]

Ah, was meant in jest. Marner is exactly as you've described him.

You know it was 50/50 and I went one way with my reply ;-) I think it actually gets to me that some people are thinking about Marner as an option UFA, exact opposite of what you want to bring in. This is the bat signal for saying I wouldn't want to bring in a point per game All Star Winger

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I’d rather go after Sillinger.

Most of these other options are not appealing.

 

[TruGr1t]

I know this is a controversial take, and after all these crazy years of supporting both JT and Pettersson, I understand that what Im about to say is not popular.

But after watching that game at the Four Nations and seeing what we saw last season in the playoffs, I just don’t think EP40 has the tenacity to win the Cup in this league.

Quinn Hughes has it, and he is much smaller.

Look at Garland has it clearly.

Boeser, who was amazing for us in the playoffs last year, stepped up when it mattered.

And honestly, I truly hope I’m wrong. And i’m as diehard a Canucks fan as you can possibly get. But i have had a lot of time to think about this. I’m more rational about it this morning, and I believe its time to let Pettersson go. He’s just not the answer.

We are honestly running out of time, we have until the off-season to make a decision because once the NTC kicks in, you’re locked in for eight years, or have to trade him for a penny on a dollar.

Neither explanation for Pettersson is particularly promising. Either he’s a total head case (which is at least something you can work on), or he’s got a degenerative injury he’s having trouble playing through that can’t be treated. Or a bit of both.

On one hand, I guess if he has the “yips” as some have speculated I guess there’s a rationale for keeping him and getting him a shrink. On the other hand, if he’s damaged goods physically at his age you probably want out of that contract asap.

None of the options are very good, unfortunately. The fact is at his current level of play he isn’t even that hard to replace, people are only worried he’ll bounce back.

 

[David71]

Two Vancouver Canucks Forwards Who Could Be Traded to the Flyers for Scott Laughton

The Philadelphia Flyers' asking price for forward Scott Laughton is now known and the Vancouver Canucks have some comparable that could fit a suitable trade.

www.canucksdaily.com

 

[Hodgy]

Neither explanation for Pettersson is particularly promising. Either he’s a total head case (which is at least something you can work on), or he’s got a degenerative injury he’s having trouble playing through that can’t be treated. Or a bit of both.

On one hand, I guess if he has the “yips” as some have speculated I guess there’s a rationale for keeping him and getting him a shrink. On the other hand, if he’s damaged goods physically at his age you probably want out of that contract asap.

None of the options are very good, unfortunately. The fact is at his current level of play he isn’t even that hard to replace, people are only worried he’ll bounce back.

I said it before, but perhaps the best outcome is that he took his foot off the gas, stopped working, training and preparing well, but is now renegaged and will get back to where he used to be.

Because, I agree, if it’s the knee injury, then it’s perhaps a less optimistic outlook given that it’s been a calendar year.

 

[dez]

Two Vancouver Canucks Forwards Who Could Be Traded to the Flyers for Scott Laughton

The Philadelphia Flyers' asking price for forward Scott Laughton is now known and the Vancouver Canucks have some comparable that could fit a suitable trade.

www.canucksdaily.com

No I would not trade Laughton for Joshua, nor would I trade more draft picks form him.

 

[Wisp]

Who cares about a few exhibition games lmfao.

People are always going to overreact to recency biases. You might think that Mikael Granlund is a top center in this league from this tourney. The company of players rocking big fat zeroes in the stat columns after 2 games is pretty epic. This Sam Reinhart kid must suck.

 

[M2Beezy]

Yeah

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I’d rather go after Sillinger.

Most of these other options are not appealing.

I’d say 99% of the targets mentioned here are f***ing brutal, and some of them were mine.

 

[TruGr1t]

Two Vancouver Canucks Forwards Who Could Be Traded to the Flyers for Scott Laughton

The Philadelphia Flyers' asking price for forward Scott Laughton is now known and the Vancouver Canucks have some comparable that could fit a suitable trade.

www.canucksdaily.com

There's been no indication the Canucks are connected to Laughton, and I'm not sure why they'd be going after a 3C with what they have already. This is like that weird Yanni Gourde suggestion early in the year, makes little sense. Only interesting thing is most teams are having issues accommodating his salary under the cap, and we'd have no issues. I guess if the Flyers just want someone to take him unretained and are willing to take a relatively subpar return he'd be alright depth behind Chytil. Sounds like they're trying to get a late 1st rounder from a contender for him though, and that's gross.

 

[quat]

Neither explanation for Pettersson is particularly promising. Either he’s a total head case (which is at least something you can work on), or he’s got a degenerative injury he’s having trouble playing through that can’t be treated. Or a bit of both.

On one hand, I guess if he has the “yips” as some have speculated I guess there’s a rationale for keeping him and getting him a shrink. On the other hand, if he’s damaged goods physically at his age you probably want out of that contract asap.

None of the options are very good, unfortunately. The fact is at his current level of play he isn’t even that hard to replace, people are only worried he’ll bounce back.

I wonder if he's adverse to taking highly addictive pain killers (as someone posted earlier) and is struggling to cope with the discomfort? While there may be no risk of damage, it would always be uncomfortable in a way that would impact how one moves.

Not sure how that explains the lack of shooting, but there is most definitely a big change in his mobility.

 

[Fatass]

I can see Allvin going after Josh Norris. Top six skills and younger. Norris is a distressed asset (injuries and contract) so the cost to acquire would be minimal.

 

[Bobby9]

People are always going to overreact to recency biases. You might think that Mikael Granlund is a top center in this league from this tourney. The company of players rocking big fat zeroes in the stat columns after 2 games is pretty epic. This Sam Reinhart kid must suck.

Reinhart? He had an amazing season and just won a cup. That’s not even remotely close

EP 116 has absolutely sucked for an entire year

 

[DFAC]

Petey hasn't looked like himself for over a year and people are still making excuses for him....?

Did someone just compare him to Reinhart?

EP40 looks completely cooked and Canucks are going nowhere unless he turns his game around big time.

 

[Bobby9]

“”"”"

Dude if you're a teenager, I hope you grow out of this phase.

If you're an adult, I hope you can see how unhinged it looks to have literally 500+ posts exclusively shitting on a world class athlete who is younger than you.

what I’m doing to EP you’re doing to me. You’re following me around the forum completely unhinged by my posts. At least I am talking constantly about a famous athlete. You’re unhinged by a stranger on the internet. Meltdown after meltdown trying to get my attention and I just ignore you.

If I’m dumb what are you.

 

[I am toxic]

I wonder if he's adverse to taking highly addictive pain killers (as someone posted earlier) and is struggling to cope with the discomfort? While there may be no risk of damage, it would always be uncomfortable in a way that would impact how one moves.

Not sure how that explains the lack of shooting, but there is most definitely a big change in his mobility.

Or, it is as though he had acute tendinitis but played through it for months - you know, like a real warrior would - and it became chronic, which takes about 12 months to recover from, but only took less than half that time to treat it, then began aggravating it again by playing regular NHL games

But I mean, how does that even fit with reality?

Like, do we know he had acute tendinitis? Do we know that acute tendinitis thay lasts for more than a few months becomes chronic tendinitis? Do we know he played four months straight last season with tendinitis? Do we know he took less than half the time needed to treat chronic tendinitis?

How could we possibly know any of that?

And why would his confidence in games be affected by being unable to load his legs, being unable to train his legs properly, and being thrown under the bus by management, coach, teammate, media and certain "fans"? Why would that affect anyone's confidence?

sarcasm aside, it would be interesting to know whether management was aware of the tendinitis before or after signing for $96 m. Based on how they threw him under the bus, I have my suspicions

Either way, he will need to be out for about 12 months from his last NHL game before he has a hope of full recovery, and within that time period his no movement or trade or whatever clause it is kicks in, so a decision will have to be made whether to keep him or punt him. And if you keep him, can the relationship with management be repaired? Probably not, just as we saw with Bure

 

[Agent007]

I can see Allvin going after Josh Norris. Top six skills and younger. Norris is a distressed asset (injuries and contract) so the cost to acquire would be minimal.

Yeah I think that’s the only way that would make sense. Realistically not sure we have a bigger asset than cap space (not convinced they’ll trade their 1st unless it’s a no brainer and same goes for their big 3 prospects).

I wonder if they hope a guentzel like situation comes up where they can leverage available cap space and land a player by trading a 2nd and mid prospects.

 

[B-rock]

Not sure I do. They traded a younger Horvat instead of moving Miller when he was at absolute peak value. This management team has a horrible habit of moving assets when they are distressed.

But it’s not a game of stocks where you’re always flipping an asset at peak value. They made the call that Miller was the guy, and he was, apart from his issues with Ep40 etc. Horvat never came close to playing to the caliber Miller played at here which why they traded him.
He’s an ok 2nd line center but I grew tired of his lack of leadership, lack of any emotion, lack of playmaking etc. He’s good on the pp in the bumper but is pretty underwhelming beyond that. And not a strong captain.

 

[Wisp]

Did someone just compare him to Reinhart?

I was talking about reacting to tournament sample sizes. Don't f***ing take me out of context, I don't take kindly to it.

 

[wonton15]

Jim Benning

 

[LemonSauceD]

Jim Benning

Trevor Linden

 

[Wisp]

But it’s not a game of stocks where you’re always flipping an asset at peak value. They made the call that Miller was the guy, and he was, apart from his issues with Ep40 etc.

Choosing Miller was the right call, expecting that you could work with him to get him to be more mature and professional was reasonable assumption. Too bad Miller was anything but reasonable. Ooops!

 

[HairyKneel]

He has had 6 months to get into shape. And this issue started last year.
If they wait until next year then any doubt is gone. Right now that doubt may add to his trade value quite a bit.
Right now they have some excuses, maybe not great one's but they are here now.
EP40 vs JTM locker room stuff.
Bad training in summer
Tocchet and Allvin criticizing him in public adding pressure
Social media negativity.
Fan actions in the arena (jeers or boo's).

Right now the team could take the side of having to move a distressed asset that still has high potential if given a clean slate in another city. And with a long term contract that will not be subject to the massive cap increases and the new salaries that will command. 11.6 in 5 years will be 2C money and only be around 8.5% of a possible 135 mil cap.

Lol 135 million dollar cap. Sounds like someone has never bought a ticket.

Doughty 100% shouldn't be there given the time he's missed due to injury. Dobson is hurt and Hamilton likes museums too much. But Bouchard would have been a good option. You couldn’t really predict both makar and Theodore missing time, but Bouchard would have been another offense from the back end option to have on deck.

Doughty looks just fine. Great player

 

[HairyKneel]

Trevor Linden

What about him? Twas a great shipping him out and a solid trade to bring him back.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

What about him? Twas a great shipping him out and a solid trade to bring him back.

I thank God for people like Trevor every day. He was the perfect Canuck. Not the greatest Canuck, but the perfect Canuck. LIke, when I think Canuck, I think Trevor Linden hockey. In-your-face, hard-nosed, respectful hockey with a mind for whatever the next shift needed.