Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | 4 Nations Break Edition

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Kinda surprised by the Sam Bennett hate here, the 18 year old kid is like Doug Gilmore lite
It’s not as simple as this but
Boeser at 8 million vs Bennet at 8 million
Id be down with Parayko for the playoff run if we are tooling up

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Kinda surprised by the Sam Bennett hate here, the 18 year old kid is like Doug Gilmore lite
It’s not as simple as this but
Boeser at 8 million vs Bennet at 8 million
Id be down with Parayko for the playoff run if we are tooling up

It’s not a question of hating him - I don’t. But his career best is 49 points, he’s going to be 29 and the physical game he plays doesn’t age well. At the right price, absolutely, he’s an asset every team would covet. But he’s likely going to get something crazy in free agency that won’t age well. IMO.

 

[Hodgy]

It’s not a question of hating him - I don’t. But his career best is 49 points, he’s going to be 29 and the physical game he plays doesn’t age well. At the right price, absolutely, he’s an asset every team would covet. But he’s likely going to get something crazy in free agency that won’t age well. IMO.

Florida is a well run team, and if they don’t sign him, being a sunshine zero tax state, you know whatever he would sign for here is going to age poorly.

 

[Fatass]

Kinda surprised by the Sam Bennett hate here, the 18 year old kid is like Doug Gilmore lite
It’s not as simple as this but
Boeser at 8 million vs Bennet at 8 million
Id be down with Parayko for the playoff run if we are tooling up

Don’t need Bennet or Parayko. Wasted assets on those guys. Boeser will be traded, and the return will either directly or through Allvin’s magic become a speedy top six player 23-27.
Myers is at 3 per for two seasons. Parayko is at 6.5 for six more seasons. Myers is better, when considering role and cost.
Plus we have Willander coming.
Hronek, Willander, Myers. No room for Parayko. 6.5 per is way too much for a bottom pairing D.

It’s not a question of hating him - I don’t. But his career best is 49 points, he’s going to be 29 and the physical game he plays doesn’t age well. At the right price, absolutely, he’s an asset every team would covet. But he’s likely going to get something crazy in free agency that won’t age well. IMO.

Yup. Bennet will not age well. He’s a smaller body who has to play a physical game to be effective.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Don’t need Bennet or Parayko. Wasted assets on those guys. Boeser will be traded, and the return will either directly or through Allvin’s magic become a speedy top six player 23-27.
Myers is at 3 per for two seasons. Parayko is at 6.5 for six more seasons. Myers is better, when considering role and cost.
Plus we have Willander coming.
Hronek, Willander, Myers. No room for Parayko. 6.5 per is way too much for a bottom pairing D.


Yup. Bennet will not age well. He’s a smaller body who has to play a physical game to be effective.

Oh snap my bad I had it in my mind Parayko was on an expiring contract

 

[Fatass]

Oh snap my bad I had it in my mind Parayko was on an expiring contract

Parayko has back issues too. Recent surgery. I don’t get why he’s on team Canada. Is our country’s D that bad now?

 

[Canucks LB]

I know this is a controversial take, and after all these crazy years of supporting both JT and Pettersson, I understand that what Im about to say is not popular.

But after watching that game at the Four Nations and seeing what we saw last season in the playoffs, I just don’t think EP40 has the tenacity to win the Cup in this league.

Quinn Hughes has it, and he is much smaller.

Look at Garland has it clearly.

Boeser, who was amazing for us in the playoffs last year, stepped up when it mattered.

And honestly, I truly hope I’m wrong. And i’m as diehard a Canucks fan as you can possibly get. But i have had a lot of time to think about this. I’m more rational about it this morning, and I believe its time to let Pettersson go. He’s just not the answer.

We are honestly running out of time, we have until the off-season to make a decision because once the NTC kicks in, you’re locked in for eight years, or have to trade him for a penny on a dollar.

 

[JT Milker]

Wrong thread.

 

[StickShift]

I know this is a controversial take, and after all these crazy years of supporting both JT and Pettersson, I understand that what Im about to say is not popular.

But after watching that game at the Four Nations and seeing what we saw last season in the playoffs, I just don’t think EP40 has the tenacity to win the Cup in this league.

Quinn Hughes has it, and he is much smaller.

Look at Garland has it clearly.

Boeser, who was amazing for us in the playoffs last year, stepped up when it mattered.

And honestly, I truly hope I’m wrong. And i’m as diehard a Canucks fan as you can possibly get. But i have had a lot of time to think about this. I’m more rational about it this morning, and I believe its time to let Pettersson go. He’s just not the answer.

We are honestly running out of time, we have until the off-season to make a decision because once the NTC kicks in, you’re locked in for eight years, or have to trade him for a penny on a dollar.

Come on in, the water is fine.

At this point—I think being a Petey believer is the minority. It feels like the majority would understand and support a trade.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I know this is a controversial take, and after all these crazy years of supporting both JT and Pettersson, I understand that what Im about to say is not popular.

But after watching that game at the Four Nations and seeing what we saw last season in the playoffs, I just don’t think EP40 has the tenacity to win the Cup in this league.

Quinn Hughes has it, and he is much smaller.

Look at Garland has it clearly.

Boeser, who was amazing for us in the playoffs last year, stepped up when it mattered.

And honestly, I truly hope I’m wrong. And i’m as diehard a Canucks fan as you can possibly get. But i have had a lot of time to think about this. I’m more rational about it this morning, and I believe its time to let Pettersson go. He’s just not the answer.

We are honestly running out of time, we have until the off-season to make a decision because once the NTC kicks in, you’re locked in for eight years, or have to trade him for a penny on a dollar.

Whatever happens I actually have faith management will make the right decision. I'm very torn on the matter. I love Pete and know he has the ability to be a top player in this league. I just don't know if he knows that.

 

[Nucker42]

Whatever happens I actually have faith management will make the right decision. I'm very torn on the matter. I love Pete and know he has the ability to be a top player in this league. I just don't know if he knows that.

Not sure I do. They traded a younger Horvat instead of moving Miller when he was at absolute peak value. This management team has a horrible habit of moving assets when they are distressed.

 

[dez]

If the issue with Petey is simply he wasn't able to train in the off-season due to an injury and he's a step behind then let him come back next year and after an off-season of hard training see how he performs next season. However, if his problems still exists, now you have a depreciated asset with a fat contract and a NMC. I trust management know him better than anyone on the outside and will make the call before the NMC kicks in.

 

[Hodgy]

Whatever happens I actually have faith management will make the right decision. I'm very torn on the matter. I love Pete and know he has the ability to be a top player in this league. I just don't know if he knows that.

I definitely don’t have that faith. But the reality is, no one can predict the future and no one knows how things will turn out for Pettersson. And same goes for management. Unfortunately, the Canucks are in a bad situation and things could end up badly either way.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Who cares about a few exhibition games lmfao.

 

[racerjoe]

Not sure I do. They traded a younger Horvat instead of moving Miller when he was at absolute peak value. This management team has a horrible habit of moving assets when they are distressed.

The issue was miller has always been distressed, us fans just didn’t know it. That’s why this NYR trade is still pretty much the exact deal that has been offered since the beginning. It was Chytil, first and defender prospect.

That isn’t to say we should not have traded miller instead of Bo. Just that his value has just stayed the same.

 

[andora]

I know this is a controversial take, and after all these crazy years of supporting both JT and Pettersson, I understand that what Im about to say is not popular.

But after watching that game at the Four Nations and seeing what we saw last season in the playoffs, I just don’t think EP40 has the tenacity to win the Cup in this league.

Quinn Hughes has it, and he is much smaller.

Look at Garland has it clearly.

Boeser, who was amazing for us in the playoffs last year, stepped up when it mattered.

And honestly, I truly hope I’m wrong. And i’m as diehard a Canucks fan as you can possibly get. But i have had a lot of time to think about this. I’m more rational about it this morning, and I believe its time to let Pettersson go. He’s just not the answer.

We are honestly running out of time, we have until the off-season to make a decision because once the NTC kicks in, you’re locked in for eight years, or have to trade him for a penny on a dollar.

I agree with your sentiment, and it comes down to if they're going to stick with and believe in the player then they have a lot of work to do to surround him with the right cast to push through, whereas if we did have one of those big willing and able number one centers The Supporting Cast becomes a bit easier

On the surface I don't think there's a right or wrong choice it's just whether or not you have a plan in place to execute to support the decision

From what I have seen over the last while there is no way that this guy can be the anchor leading the charge

 

[theguardianII]

If the issue with Petey is simply he wasn't able to train in the off-season due to an injury and he's a step behind then let him come back next year and after an off-season of hard training see how he performs next season. However, if his problems still exists, now you have a depreciated asset with a fat contract and a NMC. I trust management know him better than anyone on the outside and will make the call before the NMC kicks in.

He has had 6 months to get into shape. And this issue started last year.
If they wait until next year then any doubt is gone. Right now that doubt may add to his trade value quite a bit.
Right now they have some excuses, maybe not great one's but they are here now.
EP40 vs JTM locker room stuff.
Bad training in summer
Tocchet and Allvin criticizing him in public adding pressure
Social media negativity.
Fan actions in the arena (jeers or boo's).

Right now the team could take the side of having to move a distressed asset that still has high potential if given a clean slate in another city. And with a long term contract that will not be subject to the massive cap increases and the new salaries that will command. 11.6 in 5 years will be 2C money and only be around 8.5% of a possible 135 mil cap.

 

[theguardianII]

I definitely don’t have that faith. But the reality is, no one can predict the future and no one knows how things will turn out for Pettersson. And same goes for management. Unfortunately, the Canucks are in a bad situation and things could end up badly either way.

That truly depends upon what management's plan is.
If it just a rinse and repeat of the Benning years then competitive losing will be sold.
If it is to build a real contender then many massive changes need to be made asap.
Use the high end assets while still valuable.
Trade players ready to win now for players needing some time. That is really what is being traded, time.

While knowing the future is near impossible there are things that will be known ahead of time.
Now a possible cap in 3 years
When contract expire
How old players will be
The average of player career lengths and skill level drop offs.
Drafted players contracts or "ownership" of those players, up to 8 years if handled right.
Players in junior and their performances and guesses at whether that can translate to the NHL.
Draft position, players on average success depending upon where they are drafted.

If, if, if the Canucks were to purge the old core and fill in with roster players, decent one's, it is possible they could be bad enough for two years to restock the top six and another top defence pairing or player.
This can be planned.

Anyone that bought a house, a car or went on a holiday knew ahead of time what and how to do it. Very few guesses or just mere hopes and wait to see if it works out. Go to Hawaii? What dates is the weather bad? Mexico, which areas to avoid. What's the dollar worth? While not the same some things are known or guessed very close to actuality.

As far as Allvin and getting decent players he has only be reacting to what is available at the time. When planned out as in this last summer, it hasn't worked out so good, actually even buyout OEL is now his current legacy. He has only been looking at bottom six and pairing guys he hasn't gone big game hunting and now has a team with a bad reputation and made the city look unreasonable as well.

 

[rypper]

Parayko has back issues too. Recent surgery. I don’t get why he’s on team Canada. Is our country’s D that bad now?

His GM is running the team.

They've made some questionable decisions for sure, hopefully they smarten up for the Olympics.

 

[Tinhorn1]

Come on in, the water is fine.

At this point—I think being a Petey believer is the minority. It feels like the majority would understand and support a trade.

I would give him one more offseason, personally, and yes, I realize that would limit his value in trade once his NTC kicks in. But it's not like it would prevent a trade entirely. I just think the difference is so stark with his skating that I'd like to see if he's able to recover it. At the same time, it's hard to assess from a distance, and I understand others having a different point of view. Either way is a gamble.

 

[LemonSauceD]

If Pettersson isn’t traded before his NTC kicks in, he’s going to be riding out the rest of that contract with us unless he specifically requests a trade.

I’m fine with eirther option at this point. But if they do decide to keep him I hope they seriously take the time to invest in him by breaking every single flaw in him down and giving him exactly what it is he needs to work on and finding him the best trainers and hockey minds in getting him to that next level. Power skating, sports psychologist, studying video tape, efficiency, strength training, fixing poor decision making.

He really needs to reinvent his play style.

 

[StreetHawk]

Parayko has back issues too. Recent surgery. I don’t get why he’s on team Canada. Is our country’s D that bad now?

It is. If not Parayko on the RHD, it's who like Bouchard? Dobson? Hamilton?

Team was anchored for a while with Weber, Doughty, Pietroangelo, Seabrook, Burns, Keith up to 2016 WC. With the lag between tournaments, the older group has retired and DD/AP are also nearing the end of their International play.

The D should be made up of mostly guys drafted in the 2010-2020 drafts. That would put the age range from a low of 22 to up to 32/33 or so.

 

[quat]

Yeah my post that you quoted should have said two middle lines not to Middle lines, voice text

Lots more space last night literally the only time he popped is when they were bodies all over the place I think some people were changing and some us players got crossed up and he had about a 20 ft opening and he spurted up to try and make a shot that was it

Ah, was meant in jest. Marner is exactly as you've described him.

 

[arttk]

Florida is a well run team, and if they don’t sign him, being a sunshine zero tax state, you know whatever he would sign for here is going to age poorly.

Florida is a well run team with multiple runs to the SCF and they still can only charge 30ish dollars upper bowl for a game against the oilers.

Something tells me they are not going to be a 110M+ capped out team moving forward so if they aren’t willing to extend some players it’s probably because they won’t be able to afford it.

 

[rypper]

It is. If not Parayko on the RHD, it's who like Bouchard? Dobson? Hamilton?

Team was anchored for a while with Weber, Doughty, Pietroangelo, Seabrook, Burns, Keith up to 2016 WC. With the lag between tournaments, the older group has retired and DD/AP are also nearing the end of their International play.

The D should be made up of mostly guys drafted in the 2010-2020 drafts. That would put the age range from a low of 22 to up to 32/33 or so.

Doughty 100% shouldn't be there given the time he's missed due to injury. Dobson is hurt and Hamilton likes museums too much. But Bouchard would have been a good option. You couldn’t really predict both makar and Theodore missing time, but Bouchard would have been another offense from the back end option to have on deck.