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[God]

Sat Shah hinted at this and there was another reporter from hockey news that mentioned the interest.

The interesting question is how many cases are there are players with this kind of injury history pre age 25 bouncing back and staying healthy post age 25?

Havlat (born 81) missed 8 games in 00/01, 58 games in 05/06, 3 games in 06/07, 41 games in 07/08, and 4 games in 11/12 with shoulder injuries. He declined when he turned 30... so not a bad run of a career.

Mark Svatos (born 82) missed 78 games in 03/04 and 29 games in 05/06 with shoulder injuries, and did ok after that but faded quickly. He had some other demons, though.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Havlat (born 81) missed 8 games in 00/01, 58 games in 05/06, 3 games in 06/07, 41 games in 07/08, and 4 games in 11/12 with shoulder injuries. He declined when he turned 30... so not a bad run of a career.

Mark Svatos (born 82) missed 78 games in 03/04 and 29 games in 05/06 with shoulder injuries, and did ok after that but faded quickly. He had some other demons, though.

Havlat was a hell of a player. Had a sneaky nasty streak too. To this day I believe the Sens were robbed of a Cup in 04-05. Little me did well in school that year. Made a lot of friends who were just as pissed about the lockout. Also was a fairly quick reader and ADHD af yoyo Grades? Eh, but grades aren't the *only* reason you go to school.

By all accounts Toews, Kane et al were PISSED to lose Havlat when they heard they weren't re-signing him. Until they got Hossa who was basically Havlat but bigger and even better defensively.

*shudders* If Tallon had sent in the QOs on time, we could easily be talking about a 3-peat team just by virtue of being able to keep one of Byfuglien/Ladd.

 

[bobbyb2009]

I'm the opposite than most on Norris. If he is indeed being shopped it will be pennies on the dollar for what I consider a pretty impact forward. Get him for cheap. I understand the injury concerns and ultimately it comes down to the actual asking price, but it looks like a good opportunity to buy low on a good player.

It seems to me that most everyone saying they don't want anything to do with Norris, for some valid reasons, don't seem to be acknowledging his very close friendship with QH. If Norris is not too expensive, and if he is that close to Hughes, they would be nuts not to go to Hughes and ask him for his advice on bringing him in. If Hughes thinks he can help and if it adds to his love of being here, it would be crazy not to add him, for that reason alone. But the guy is also a very good player when he is healthy....

 

[David71]

ryan strome? right handed centerman only 31 1 more year left. could be a nice add

 

[strattonius]

It seems to me that most everyone saying they don't want anything to do with Norris, for some valid reasons, don't seem to be acknowledging his very close friendship with QH. If Norris is not too expensive, and if he is that close to Hughes, they would be nuts not to go to Hughes and ask him for his advice on bringing him in. If Hughes thinks he can help and if it adds to his love of being here, it would be crazy not to add him, for that reason alone. But the guy is also a very good player when he is healthy....

Not sure about that level of nepotism. Ask Oiler fans what they think of Connor Brown or Kris Knoblauch. Even when management defered to Tocchet about our defense in the offseason it ended up costing us (although I'm not sure the legitimacy of those rumours).

I just like Norris. He has a cannon shot and is pretty physical. I think he'd be an upgrade on Boeser but I'm in the minority there.

 

[Wisp]

I wonder how much of the injury situation in Norris is interested GMs trying to drive the price down. Like he already has 19 goals, can't be that bad.

Using Aquilini bucks to buy the Canucks out of their center hole would be funny and get some Hughes happiness...

 

[F A N]

I like Norris a lot as among the options being thrown around he has the best combination of being able to fill the 2C role while being able to actually win faceoffs (making him useful on the PK).

 

[Big zZz]

ryan strome? right handed centerman only 31 1 more year left. could be a nice add

Poor skater.

 

[Jerry the great]

I wonder how much of the injury situation in Norris is interested GMs trying to drive the price down. Like he already has 19 goals, can't be that bad.

Using Aquilini bucks to buy the Canucks out of their center hole would be funny and get some Hughes happiness...

not much of it.

In the three years prior to this season he’s missed half the Senators games.


Three surgeries - on the same shoulder- later, and situation is more than a little precarious. Who in their right mind is giving up anything with real value for him when he’s one hit away from a fourth? Would he even bother coming back from another?

I was lukewarm on the idea when the loss of Miller was fresh, but the urgency to replace him has faded a bit.

I think the most I’d offer is Hoglander.

 

[F A N]

not much of it.

In the three years prior to this season he’s missed half the Senators games.


Three surgeries - on the same shoulder- later, and situation is more than a little precarious. Who in their right mind is giving up anything with real value for him when he’s one hit away from a fourth? Would he even bother coming back from another?

I was lukewarm on the idea when the loss of Miller was fresh, but the urgency to replace him has faded a bit.

I think the most I’d offer is Hoglander.

He's relatively young, a C who can win faceoffs, and has been averaging ~30 goals 50 points over 82 games. I'm not sure about some here saying he is an "upgrade" over Boeser, but if Norris manages to stay relatively healthy he's producing like a good 2C and has upside albeit he is expensive. I would love for the Canucks to acquire him and would give "real value" for him.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Norris has 5 years left on a $8M/yr contract.

For the first time in a decade we are not in bad shape cap wise, (though OEL buyout rises next year, and Hoggy gets his raise, not to mention Boeser) and people want to squander it. Don't act like an 18 yr old with his 1st credit card. ... it's not free money that you have to use up.

If a good deal comes along, fine. But people act like the rising cap means spend like idiots. We have a major payday coming with Hughes as well.

We have major assets in ELC contracts coming with EP2 Lekk Will and Mancini. All look legit. With Mynio and KK in the wings. trade one of those 2 for the equivalent forward prospect, to add some depth up front.

But keep cap space until we look like legit cup contender. We are not there right now.

 

[StickShift]

He's relatively young, a C who can win faceoffs, and has been averaging ~30 goals 50 points over 82 games. I'm not sure about some here saying he is an "upgrade" over Boeser, but if Norris manages to stay relatively healthy he's producing like a good 2C and has upside albeit he is expensive. I would love for the Canucks to acquire him and would give "real value" for him.

To reiterate—that the Ottawa Senators are making such a player available should set off alarm bells.

Some of us have lost our ability to critically think. Why would they be so ready to get rid of a player that profiles like that?

The frequency of his shoulder surgeries sure make it seem like there is an inherent deficiency there that cannot be avoided with better training or physio.

If it could be mitigated—the Sens wouldn’t be jettisoning a relatively young right shot center who can produce and be defensively reliable.

 

[ManVanFan]

Norris has 5 years left on a $8M/yr contract.

For the first time in a decade we are not in bad shape cap wise, (though OEL buyout rises next year, and Hoggy gets his raise, not to mention Boeser) and people want to squander it. Don't act like an 18 yr old with his 1st credit card. ... it's not free money that you have to use up.

If a good deal comes along, fine. But people act like the rising cap means spend like idiots. We have a major payday coming with Hughes as well.

We have major assets in ELC contracts coming with EP2 Lekk Will and Mancini. All look legit. With Mynio and KK in the wings. trade one of those 2 for the equivalent forward prospect, to add some depth up front.

But keep cap space until we look like legit cup contender. We are not there right now.

Once they trade away Demko and Garland. 10M more in cap space.

 

[Ernie]

He's relatively young, a C who can win faceoffs, and has been averaging ~30 goals 50 points over 82 games. I'm not sure about some here saying he is an "upgrade" over Boeser, but if Norris manages to stay relatively healthy he's producing like a good 2C and has upside albeit he is expensive. I would love for the Canucks to acquire him and would give "real value" for him.

Yeah, the overall risk profile is lower with a 25 year old with injury issues for 5 years vs a 30 year old for 8 years. The type of player matters too - Norris has elite speed, Boeser really struggles.

That said, I doubt Norris is available and if he is it would be for a roster player with term.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Yes the Canucks have played so well at home why not increase prices.


I get it with the cap going up all Canadians teams are gonna have to do this. It does seem like it should be a little more gradual though.

This is not surprising in the least.

Revenue = CDN
Salary = USD

Current exchange rate is murder and so they have to find ways to close the gap.

 

[Nucker42]

This is not surprising in the least.

Revenue = CDN
Salary = USD

Current exchange rate is murder and so they have to find ways to close the gap.

Yeah I’m sure Aquilini is struggling to make ends meet. This has been a shit team for 10/11 years, hard to compute with massive ticket increases 2 years in a row.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Yeah I’m sure Aquilini is struggling to make ends meet. This has been a shit team for 10/11 years, hard to compute with massive ticket increases 2 years in a row.

I'm curious to see how other Canadian teams fair.

The last time the dollar was this crap, it was not a good situation for smaller market teams (i.e. Winnipeg).

 

[Nick Lang]

Looking at it, we just need to see who shakes out.

Thomas, Kyrou, Barzal, Cozens, or Zegras are all players I would take, in that order, and I’m almost certain we could get at least one of them without giving up any roster players or players projected to be on the roster next year (Lekk, EP, Willander).

I can almost guarantee we won't be getting any of those guys and certainly not without giving up Willander and/or Lekk.

As someone else mentioned maybe Zegras, but I don't even think I would want him on the team. He's a weak 40 point showboat and not much more. Even Cozens is going to take one of those top picks plus a first. He's Buffalo's 7th overall from 2019 and is only 24 years old. The rumor was for our 5th overall Petey drafted in 2017. They are certainly not giving him away for scraps.

 

[tanti9]

The Chytil and O'Connor injection of speed into the lineup shifted the way the team can transition the puck. If the team is looking for forwards, that should be the focus.

I would also add that competent dmen that can make that first pass is also huge and makes the Canucks look faster.

 

[Jroach]

Once they trade away Demko and Garland. 10M more in cap space.

Why in the heck would we ever want Garland traded?

 

[Nucker42]

Think they’ll sign O’Connor soon. 3 years x 1.3. They seem to get depth to sign for cheap.

Hopefully Lankinen too. 3 years x 4 million.

Trade Juulsen for whatever.

I like Suter but would prefer an upgrade there. Unless they can get him back for really cheap. He’s slow and small. I want more size there.

Need to open up some space for Willander, Mancini and Junior Petey.

Boeser is the big one. Would prefer they move him and sign a true 1st line winger like a Rantanen, I know it’s a pipe dream. But Boeser is also slow and other than his big year last year has scored at a 2nd line pace.

Can’t get distracted by a good 7 game run, this team hasn’t been good enough.

 

[tanti9]

I do like some of the names mentioned that could be available. I do think that Vancouver needs to act fast as I believe many teams will be after these players (Norris, Zegras, Cozens, Schenn, Strome, etc) and price will only go up at the deadline. For those who are afraid that Vancouver will go after Norris, I ask them why. If you can get a youngish center with potential (e.g. Chytil, Norris) but with an injury history, you do your due diligence but (I think) you go for it. The cost would be less and there would be risk BUT the payoff could/would be huge and have assets (you would keep) to go after other pieces. I would rather the Canucks take a chance and go for the UPSIDE and the payoff could be huge!!!

Cheers

 

[JT Milker]

Why in the heck would we ever want Garland traded?

Fantasy.

Think they’ll sign O’Connor soon. 3 years x 1.3. They seem to get depth to sign for cheap.

Hopefully Lankinen too. 3 years x 4 million.

Trade Juulsen for whatever.

I like Suter but would prefer an upgrade there. Unless they can get him back for really cheap. He’s slow and small. I want more size there.

Need to open up some space for Willander, Mancini and Junior Petey.

Boeser is the big one. Would prefer they move him and sign a true 1st line winger like a Rantanen, I know it’s a pipe dream. But Boeser is also slow and other than his big year last year has scored at a 2nd line pace.

Can’t get distracted by a good 7 game run, this team hasn’t been good enough.

DOC is not going to sign for $1.3M.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Fantasy.


DOC is not going to sign for $1.3M.

probably $3M at least. Unless you wanna make another bet on the exact dollar figure too

/jk

 

[JT Milker]

probably $3M at least. Unless you wanna make another bet on the exact dollar figure too

I’d make a bet he won’t sign for $1.3M, that’s a guaranteed payout lol.