Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | LEAGUE WIDE

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Ah so your a teeth kind of guy.

Inappropriate.

 

[Hodgy]

the canucks aren't getting guentzel or larsson or anyone comparable without giving up at least one of lekkerimaki, willander, hoglander or their 2025 first

podkolzin, raty, aman, mikheyev, mynio, etc isn't gonna get much of a return

If he returns something at all.

 

[credulous]

I don't think those packages are all that different than what the Canucks can offer in their secondary assets plus the 2025 1st. Better but not by much and would come down to Penguins' preferences.

vegas also have cormier, sapovaliv and edstrom all of whom are probably more attractive than raty or podkolzin or whoever you think the canucks next best prospect after lekkerimaki/willander is. vegas don't have any standouts in their system but they have some good prospects

 

[PG Canuck]

Vegas walking away with Guentzel or Buchnevich will be sickening.

I admire them though. Not afraid to make big moves.

 

[Vector]

vegas also have cormier, sapovaliv and edstrom all of whom are probably more attractive than raty or podkolzin or whoever you think the canucks next best prospect after lekkerimaki/willander is. vegas don't have any standouts in their system but they have some good prospects

Yup. This is why I think Vegas, and the Oilers, could outbid but it's not like they have a bunch of great prospects. It could really come down to the Penguin's preference.

Guentzel to the Golden Knights has felt pretty inevitable since the Stone injury. They are the only team that can take him without requiring any sort of retention or salary going back.

 

[Nucker101]

Booooo!

I’m glad. Petey/Miller need reps against him. His line always clowns us

 

[Bobby9]

What a shame that our big deal is looking like such a massive dud.

Lindholm cost an arm and a leg. Really messed up any chance of us making an impact move.

 

[oceanchild]

Canucks have literally just traded for Lindholm, and he has relocated his family from Calgary...I'd say the odds of Allvin flipping him are close to zero.

Weirder things have happened though.

I mean, they probably haven’t even unpacked. It’s kind of efficient in a way.

 

[valkynax]

What a shame that our big deal is looking like such a massive dud.

Lindholm cost an arm and a leg. Really messed up any chance of us making an impact move.

I wouldn't say it's an arm and a leg, it's more of a quantity over quality kind of trade package. Kuzmenko is basically a cap dump, our 1st round will be 25th overall or something and chances of landing a legit NHLer is not great to begin with, and including Hunter is a sell high type move.

Lindholm has not turn out great, and like someone said neither has the team in recent weeks. At this point I have faith in Mr. Clean and Moleman.

 

[oceanchild]

term is only valuable if the player is going to provide accretive value over those years. i don't think jake guentzel as a ufa is going to do that for anyone at the contract he's likely to sign, so having his deal expire can be a feature, not a bug (ie. lindholm)

successful teams need to be aware of market trends (ie. tampa with hagel and coleman) - if star rentals are suddenly dropping in value because they won't commit long term, that's a great arbitrage play. i don't care if he's a core piece going forward, i want a cup. and if this is the highest value hoglander will ever hold - and it very well might be - trade him and hope that bains or pod can do it again. or, use that pro scouting team and unearth the next version.

same thing for lekk. i hope we trade him. this is a guy we were arguing about as a potential 3rd rounder in a re-draft just last year. cash in.

We need some prospects and it’s often about having value as development can be unpredictable. It’s not a far logical conclusion to
See that we can be right back in the lotto if we give all depth. I would trade both Hog and Lekk in the same trade, for the right piece that is controlled. I also want a cup, something bad and am willing to sacrifice assets to do so, but IMO the biggest need is RHD and I haven’t heard of any that move the bar and are available to make that trade. Lekk had mono and that is a tangible reason for the delay in his development that gives me pause for cause.

As for the arbitrage, that imo usually comes for solid assets that don’t have a name that is as sexy. Finally, on re-signing Guentzel, the surplus value that slides into a value deficit over time is a common outlook to sign players in this age. The one difference is an expected jump in salary cap that will act like significant inflation and reduce the cap burden as a percentage much quicker then we have seen in the past. They just have to be careful to plot his regression and not overpay. I trust our pro scouts.

Yup. This is why I think Vegas, and the Oilers, could outbid but it's not like they have a bunch of great prospects. It could really come down to the Penguin's preference.

Guentzel to the Golden Knights has felt pretty inevitable since the Stone injury. They are the only team that can take him without requiring any sort of retention or salary going back.

I have wanted Guentzel for a bit here, but I really don’t want him to go to Vegas. I can see them doing a deal for him and Smith and then us having to play them in the first round as Stone comes back. Not the scenario I want for this team.

 

[PG Canuck]

I wouldn't say it's an arm and a leg, it's more of a quantity over quality kind of trade package. Kuzmenko is basically a cap dump, our 1st round will be 25th overall or something and chances of landing a legit NHLer is not great to begin with, and including Hunter is a sell high type move.

Lindholm has not turn out great, and like someone said neither has the team in recent weeks. At this point I have faith in Mr. Clean and Moleman.

Maybe it wasn’t an “arm and a leg” to acquire Lindholm but those assets could’ve been used to land a Guentzel or Buchnevich, who I much prefer over Lindholm.

I trust management but this trade is looking like a dud unless things drastically change. Lindholm is playing identical to his time in Calgary this year and he’s almost undoubtedly not worth whatever contract he’s asking for IMO, rather spend the money elsewhere.

I was high on copium when the deal went down just for the fact we are buying and it was exciting but it’s not looking great.

 

[Nuckles]

I wouldn't say it's an arm and a leg, it's more of a quantity over quality kind of trade package. Kuzmenko is basically a cap dump, our 1st round will be 25th overall or something and chances of landing a legit NHLer is not great to begin with, and including Hunter is a sell high type move.

Lindholm has not turn out great, and like someone said neither has the team in recent weeks. At this point I have faith in Mr. Clean and Moleman.

Also in the grand scheme of things, it gives them a look at Lindholm on the team before potentially throwing a huge contract at him. Imagine if they didn't acquire Lindholm, signed him to a huge contract in free agency, and he turned out to be a dud on day 1 of that contract.

With that being said he's still got a month and a half to turn things around before the playoffs.

 

[valkynax]

Maybe it wasn’t an “arm and a leg” to acquire Lindholm but those assets could’ve been used to land a Guentzel or Buchnevich, who I much prefer over Lindholm.

I trust management but this trade is looking like a dud unless things drastically change. Lindholm is playing identical to his time in Calgary this year and he’s almost undoubtedly not worth whatever contract he’s asking for IMO, rather spend the money elsewhere.

I was high on copium when the deal went down just for the fact we are buying and it was exciting but it’s not looking great.

I've come to accept the trade to be likely a loss, but saying it's an arm and a leg would be rather dramatic.

Mistakes happen, that much I understand. So far our management has been careful to avoid them, and quick to correct them. Let's see what happens next.

Also in the grand scheme of things, it gives them a look at Lindholm on the team before potentially throwing a huge contract at him. Imagine if they didn't acquire Lindholm, signed him to a huge contract in free agency, and he turned out to be a dud on day 1 of that contract.

With that being said he's still got a month and a half to turn things around before the playoffs.

This is precisely the kind of move Commander Dimbo will make, all day, everyday.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I wouldn't say it's an arm and a leg, it's more of a quantity over quality kind of trade package. Kuzmenko is basically a cap dump, our 1st round will be 25th overall or something and chances of landing a legit NHLer is not great to begin with, and including Hunter is a sell high type move.

Lindholm has not turn out great, and like someone said neither has the team in recent weeks. At this point I have faith in Mr. Clean and Moleman.

If this is their worst trade....then Lindholm walks away in the off-season and we have cap flexibility.

Good regimes will even make some mistakes. Now, alarm bells will sound if they proceed forward by doubling down and signing Lindholm to an extension or trade an equal package for another dud in 2025.

Deadline deals are always hit or miss.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Brisson and Podkolzin have similar production in the AHL and Podkolzin has 1.5 seasons of experience at the NHL. 4 months older.

I find it odd people would think Brisson holds more value.

 

[PG Canuck]

Doesn’t seem we’ll be involved in any of these bidding wars. Or it’s all just for show and they walk away with a big fish.

 

[Vector]

Doesn’t seem we’ll be involved in any of these bidding wars. Or it’s all just for show and they walk away with a big fish.

The only thing I am confident is that this management team has involved themselves in conversations about many different targets of all sizes. How that materializes is just a guessing game right.

 

[wonton15]

Realistically we should be good to go with a Toffoli type (bump Suter down), Duhaime (bump Aman out), and a depth D like Ruhwedel. And that’ll all come much cheaper than Guentzel.

The one move that will change things quickly is if they dump Mikheyev

 

[CanuckleBerry]

If he returns something at all.

Would probably cost the 2025 1st just to dump Mikheyev's contract. I also don't see how it's possible that anyone else in the league views Podkolzin as having significant value. He's a prospect throw-in for a package deal at this point.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Realistically we should be good to go with a Toffoli type (bump Suter down), Duhaime (bump Aman out), and a depth D like Ruhwedel. And that’ll all come much cheaper than Guentzel.

The one move that will change things quickly is if they dump Mikheyev

Agree, the best course of action is to make a bunch of smaller moves to improve the depth and make ourselves tougher to play against.

We straight up don't have the assets to acquire Guentzel, or would get outbid by New York, Vegas or Edmonton who are likely to be desperate as hell to load up.

Part of me wonders how healthy Guentzel would be. He's been banged up a few times since 2019. Seems to be good for a few injuries a season, and does try to play through them.

 

[oceanchild]

Realistically we should be good to go with a Toffoli type (bump Suter down), Duhaime (bump Aman out), and a depth D like Ruhwedel. And that’ll all come much cheaper than Guentzel.

The one move that will change things quickly is if they dump Mikheyev

Drance said last week that Mikheyev might have some value as a buy low candidate. Teams like his defensive game and expect a bounce back. Someone like the ducks, coyotes, or Chicago taking him for a late pick and a depth dman would be pretty stellar.

 

[Vector]

Drance said last week that Mikheyev might have some value as a buy low candidate. Teams like his defensive game and expect a bounce back. Someone like the ducks, coyotes, or Chicago taking him for a late pick and a depth dman would be pretty stellar.

I could see Ottawa or the Capitals also being interested. Both have weird organizational values.

 

[wonton15]

Yeah lets pray Allvin can cook and a team takes Mikheyev.

Lindholm Miller Boeser
Hoglander Pettersson Toffoli? Or similar scorer
Joshua Blueger Garland
Duhaime Suter Lafferty
Podkolzin PDG

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Myers
Zadorov Cole
Juulsen Ruhwedel

That should be under the cap and is deep when healthy. Duhaime adds some much needed identity. Greenway’s cap is too high and Dowd is too expensive but I like this mold as a target.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I could see Ottawa or the Capitals also being interested. Both have weird organizational values.

Ottawa is my preference.

Tarasenko as a rental.

Batherson as a LT W.

Brady is a pipedream.

 

[PG Canuck]

Hard to see them landing Guentzel without wanting to move a 1st and Lekk/Willander. Don’t see how it makes any sense then unless Pens are stupid (possible).

Have to be like Hog, Pod, Raty etc etc etc