Canucks Managerial Thread | Part 19 | Maybe we are in on Tallon, maybe not? *Post #61

[thepuckmonster]

With the goalie demand this high in the upcoming off season I see a tiny chance of Miller being booted. Then again, I don't see Miller being much better than Hiller Niemi Lehtonen or Bernier.

Wait, why do I have this feeling that Benning will switch Miller out and take in an even worse goalie with far worse contract...

**** me...

Hiller's already signed a 3yr deal in Switzerland

 

[Intoewsables]

Yes. Having the highest 5 on 5 Sv% in the NHL that season as evidence.

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Miller's 5 on 5 sv% in 2009/10 was 10th out of goalies with >25 GP. If you want to up the GP threshold to 40, he's still only 8th.

 

[Hit the post]

With the goalie demand this high in the upcoming off season I see a tiny chance of Miller being booted. Then again, I don't see Miller being much better than Hiller Niemi Lehtonen or Bernier.

Wait, why do I have this feeling that Benning will switch Miller out and take in an even worse goalie with far worse contract...

**** me...

Cam Ward is a UFA & he's got a Conn Smythe.

 

[Verviticus]

Giving up Hansen for a pick is a tough call. That guy brings a lot to the table and not all of it can be measured by analytics.

irony

 

[Chubros]

If the team is out of it next year, then Miller could potentially be moved by the deadline if there is a team out there in need of a stopgap goalie for the playoffs.

Alternatively, if Demko is killing it in the A, they could instead move Markstrom and re-up Miller on a 1 or 2 year deal to mentor/ ease Demko into the league the following year (s).

And I'd be fine with the latter - not only because it happens to make a bit of sense, but also because it would be awesome to see this chicken-with-its-head-cut-off board go absolutely berserk.

 

[arttk]

If the team is out of it next year, then Miller could potentially be moved by the deadline if there is a team out there in need of a stopgap goalie for the playoffs.

Alternatively, if Demko is killing it in the A, they could instead move Markstrom and re-up Miller on a 1 or 2 year deal to mentor/ ease Demko into the league the following year (s).

And I'd be fine with the latter - not only because it happens to make a bit of sense, but also because it would be awesome to see this chicken-with-its-head-cut-off board go absolutely berserk.

You just want to see the world burn don't you.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Hiller's already signed a 3yr deal in Switzerland

That's interesting I didn't hear that

 

[me2]

If the team is out of it next year, then Miller could potentially be moved by the deadline if there is a team out there in need of a stopgap goalie for the playoffs.

Alternatively, if Demko is killing it in the A, they could instead move Markstrom and re-up Miller on a 1 or 2 year deal to mentor/ ease Demko into the league the following year (s).

And I'd be fine with the latter - not only because it happens to make a bit of sense, but also because it would be awesome to see this chicken-with-its-head-cut-off board go absolutely berserk.

What's a backup UFA worth?A 4th? Not much. Not worth trading Markstrom.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Cam Ward is a UFA & he's got a Conn Smythe.

I hear it was all the Hurricanes goalie coach's fault

 

[valkynax]

Cam Ward is a UFA & he's got a Conn Smythe.

Errr...Miller to Carolina and we grab Ward????

If that actually happens I'll never be able to stand with my head up...

 

[jimslob]

If the team is out of it next year, then Miller could potentially be moved by the deadline if there is a team out there in need of a stopgap goalie for the playoffs.

Alternatively, if Demko is killing it in the A, they could instead move Markstrom and re-up Miller on a 1 or 2 year deal to mentor/ ease Demko into the league the following year (s).

And I'd be fine with the latter - not only because it happens to make a bit of sense, but also because it would be awesome to see this chicken-with-its-head-cut-off board go absolutely berserk.

That may be the best thing I've read here.

 

[Fat Tony]

And I'd be fine with the latter - not only because it happens to make a bit of sense, but also because it would be awesome to see this chicken-with-its-head-cut-off board go absolutely berserk.

That's how I see Benning picking a D with the first rounder.

 

[banme*]

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Miller's 5 on 5 sv% in 2009/10 was 10th out of goalies with >25 GP. If you want to up the GP threshold to 40, he's still only 8th.

Was talking about Bobrovsky in 12-13.

RE: Miller, he was top 5 in evsv% in 09-10 among goalies with >=2500 mins played (so the true starters). On top of that he was top 5 in oppcf% and bottom 5 in cf%, so he was pretty damn good. Jonas Hiller actually had a remarkable season, but I think he was hurt by only playing 59 games and Miller's performance at the olympics.

 

[Proto]

If the team is out of it next year, then Miller could potentially be moved by the deadline if there is a team out there in need of a stopgap goalie for the playoffs.

Alternatively, if Demko is killing it in the A, they could instead move Markstrom and re-up Miller on a 1 or 2 year deal to mentor/ ease Demko into the league the following year (s).

And I'd be fine with the latter - not only because it happens to make a bit of sense, but also because it would be awesome to see this chicken-with-its-head-cut-off board go absolutely berserk.

Yeah, fools! We were all so wrong about the direction the team was headed. The ones preaching patience and extolling the improvements the team was making over the last few seasons were right and this past season made that so clear. You have earned your right to crow

It would be pretty funny to see a team completely screw over its goaltending based on a goalie looking good in the AHL for a few months. What could possibly go wrong?

/thinks back to Markstrom coming up to the Panthers as a young goaltender after a hot run in the AHL

 

[I am toxic]

I hear it was all the Hurricanes goalie coach's fault

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Marcoux was with CGY when Ward got the Conn Smythe with CAR.


I think the impact of goalie coaches is not fully appreciated. If Korn stays in Nashville, does Rinne perform differently?

Article about replacing Rollie.

 

[NoShowWilly]

Because even if he wins those Vezinas I'm sure that all of us will still find something to complain about, it's the Canuck fan way.

Demko could go 16-0 for three years with 16 shut outs and we'll be like "oh he didn't look like he was trying" or "should have given xx backup more starts".

more like 'hockey is too simple. this doesn't have the same vibe as 94.'

 

[y2kcanucks]

Because even if he wins those Vezinas I'm sure that all of us will still find something to complain about, it's the Canuck fan way.

Demko could go 16-0 for three years with 16 shut outs and we'll be like "oh he didn't look like he was trying" or "should have given xx backup more starts".

This is very true.

Hell, he could go 12-4 in the playoffs, and in the 4 losses the Canucks get shutout 1-0 in each of them, and he'd get the blame. It's disgusting really.

 

[sting101]

What's a backup UFA worth?A 4th? Not much. Not worth trading Markstrom.

A 3rd and a 7th.

 

[sting101]

Yeah, fools! We were all so wrong about the direction the team was headed. The ones preaching patience and extolling the improvements the team was making over the last few seasons were right and this past season made that so clear. You have earned your right to crow

It would be pretty funny to see a team completely screw over its goaltending based on a goalie looking good in the AHL for a few months. What could possibly go wrong?

/thinks back to Markstrom coming up to the Panthers as a young goaltender after a hot run in the AHL

Not to point a finger at you Proto I enjoy your posts.......but has this board become so jaded and delusional it needs to start creating a narrative of "what if" screw ups to feed it's thirst for hating the GM?

Benning has created a succession plan in goal with a veteran decorated starter a highly regarded talented backup that has dominated at every lower level and is reaching prime age and craftily scooped up a goalie that was regarded by many scouts as a middle 1st round talent and has done nothing but show why since. It's really a pretty good situation and a job well done and I'm a Lack fan.

 

[y2kcanucks]

A 3rd and a 7th.

Only if you're dealing with an idiot GM who's willing to move the guy who beat out his $6m starter.

 

[topched88]

Only if you're dealing with an idiot GM who's willing to move the guy who beat out his $6m starter.

Do you think Lack could still fetch that package today? (im not taking part in a disagreement it just crossed my mind)

 

[y2kcanucks]

Do you think Lack could still fetch that package today? (im not taking part in a disagreement it just crossed my mind)

I think he would have been a lot better in Vancouver than he was in Carolina.

 

[Jyrki21]

Benning on Empty #12: "The Dilemma". First one made in BC, and posted from the top of the Harbour Centre:

 

[I in the Eye]

Not to point a finger at you Proto I enjoy your posts.......but has this board become so jaded and delusional it needs to start creating a narrative of "what if" screw ups to feed it's thirst for hating the GM?

Benning has created a succession plan in goal with a veteran decorated starter a highly regarded talented backup that has dominated at every lower level and is reaching prime age and craftily scooped up a goalie that was regarded by many scouts as a middle 1st round talent and has done nothing but show why since. It's really a pretty good situation and a job well done and I'm a Lack fan.

You've bought into nonsense...

Here's what the "succession plan" should be. You keep the best goalie you have available - the best combination of quality, cost, and longer term availability. When another goalie proves to be a better combination of quality, cost, and longer term availability... he now becomes the best option, until a better option eventually unseats him.

To make decisions now, based on the idea that Demko will be on the team at some point in the future, is nonsense. Investing that much money into Miller, at the expense of having the difference in Miller and Lack's salary that could have been used to address the defense, is nonsense. Continuing with Miller next season (to become some future mentor to Demko... who may or may not actually become a NHL player), when Markstrom has now shown himself to be at least comparable to Miller (which is a rather average bar), is nonsense.

You are supporting the actions of a jaded and delusional decision maker. No decisions should be made now, based on prospects who may or may not become NHLers one day... What you especially don't do, is give a time frame for when the prospect will be in the NHL, and make decisions around that in the present tense. If Demko is ready to be the best option one day, we will all know... just like we will all know if he's not. To me, that there are some people arguing to keep Miller (and not using his $ elsewhere) because it's a variable in a logical succession plan is a loss of plot from people who have bought into nonsense and fairytales about the "Prince that was Promised". If Demko is the Prince that was Promised, it will become clear, and Demko will be worth making NHL roster decisions around, at that time.

 

[rune74]

I think he would have been a lot better in Vancouver than he was in Carolina.

Maybe, but all we have to go on is how he was this year instead of make believe what he could have been....