Rumor: Canucks going after Rossi?

[Agent007]

It's actually kind of funny to think about how 8 months ago when the Wild were interested in Jiricek I'm sure Columbus fans did not want a bunch of picks as being the center piece of that deal and I'm sure Wild fans were more than happy to part with a bunch of picks and a depth dman.

Here we are 8 months later and I'm sure Wild fans are going to hate this Jiricek and Rossi comparison but both are young players, play a premium NHL position and sure one has proven more at the NHL level but that player also has a vertical challenge that the Wild management themselves don't seem to love too much.

Canucks fans for months wanted to move JT for a lot more than what they got in return so generally speaking if this results in a Rossi trade it'll probably be surprising if the return satisfies Wild fans.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

That’s a fair comment, but just judging from previous traded as references, I don’t see Rossi getting more than a 15th overall and a B prospect/mid round pick at this juncture. In what historical scenario where a comparable got a bigger package than that?

That would put him in the Newhook/Dach trade value range.

He's a much better player than both, but I guess he can't control heightophobic GMs.

 

[sensodyne17]

I’d take #15 + Lekkerimaki. That is good value. If you can’t move one or two of those assets for a ready now player at the draft, you shouldn’t be a GM. I’m uncertain we would get better value.

I also have Rossi fatigue. Sign him to a bridge? Sure. 7x$7M? Sure. Trade him for good value? Sure.

15 + Lekk + cap space is an easy, easy win for you guys. Which means the Canucks should not be offering that. Either or plus a minor asset is ok, but definitely not two A tier assets.

He's a much better player than both, but I guess he can't control heightophobic GMs.

Bingo. Dach’s stats were underwhelming but he’s 6’4 220lbs. GMs dream of these type of player builds. We see time and time again that GMs overvalue size and undervalue skill. Combined that with Rossi being stapled to the 4th line in the playoffs… I can’t see any GMs salivating for Rossi and willing to pay a ransom. Which means there’s no reason for the Canucks to bid against themselves.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

That’s a fair comment, but just judging from previous traded as references, I don’t see Rossi getting more than a 15th overall and a B prospect/mid round pick at this juncture. In what historical scenario where a comparable got a bigger package than that?

That would put him in the Newhook/Dach trade value range.

You keep forgetting wild don’t need to trade him! Apparently guerin is leaning that way too as it’s been stated he will not make team worse by trading Rossi. So wild aren’t accepting picks and or b prospect because you believe that’s what he’s worth

 

[Hockeyfan200]

15 + Lekk + cap space is an easy, easy win for you guys. Which means the Canucks should not be offering that. Either or plus a minor asset is ok, but definitely not two A tier assets.

Bingo. Dach’s stats were underwhelming but he’s 6’4 220lbs. GMs dream of these type of player builds. We see time and time again that GMs overvalue size and undervalue skill. Combined that with Rossi being stapled to the 4th line in the playoffs… I can’t see any GMs salivating for Rossi and willing to pay a ransom. Which means there’s no reason for the Canucks to bid against themselves.

You aren’t bidding against yourself! Other teams want him. Wild only wants win now player at C back or they won’t trade him

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

15 + Lekk + cap space is an easy, easy win for you guys. Which means the Canucks should not be offering that. Either or plus a minor asset is ok, but definitely not two A tier assets.

I think there's a place in this year's 1st round where the pick stops being an A tier asset. Not sure exactly where, but earlier than a lot of other years.

 

[AKL]

I think there's a place in this year's 1st round where the pick stops being an A tier asset. Not sure exactly where, but earlier than a lot of other years.

Let's not forget that the "cap space"'part of that deal is likely useless

It also makes the team worse which isn't something Guerin is willing to do based on reports

 

[Fatass]

You keep forgetting wild don’t need to trade him! Apparently guerin is leaning that way too as it’s been stated he will not make team worse by trading Rossi. So wild aren’t accepting picks and or b prospect because you believe that’s what he’s worth

Might get ugly in Minny if they continue to offer peanuts to a guy who belies he’s worth a lot more. He will be without a contract July 1, right? Could he play in Europe next season, or until he’s traded?

 

[AKL]

Might get ugly in Minny if they continue to offer peanuts to a guy who belies he’s worth a lot more. He will be without a contract July 1, right? Could he play in Europe next season, or until he’s traded?

I forgot this is the first time an RFA will ever reach July 1st without having a contract lol, that does change things a bit

 

[Fatass]

I forgot this is the first time an RFA will ever reach July 1st without having a contract lol, that does change things a bit

I think Nylander might have played in Europe until almost Christmas before he got his last contract, and he was an RFA?
Don’t know if that’s an option for Rossi. But if it is, then he could have some leverage. Otherwise he sits and makes nothing or accepts a deal he doesn’t want.

 

[AKL]

I think Nylander might have played in Europe until almost Christmas before he got his last contract, and he was an RFA?

Well, you wouldn't be correct, but there's a lot of that going around

 

[Fatass]

Well, you wouldn't be correct, but there's a lot of that going around

It’s a question. Is Rossi allowed to play in Europe once his contract here expires on June 30?

 

[AKL]

It’s a question. Is Rossi allowed to play in Europe once his contract here expires on June 30?

If he doesn't have a contract he can play wherever he wants to, but that doesn't mean it's a realistic possibility

 

[Fatass]

If he doesn't have a contract he can play wherever he wants to, but that doesn't mean it's a realistic possibility

Why is it not realistic for an RFA to play in Europe? The NHL team still retains the player’s rights. They make a lot less, of course (likely less than 1/10th in Rossi’s case) but he gets to play and still collect decent money.

 

[BeranekAndNeck]

It's fair to think that he'll be back but if Rossi feels like he wants out of Minnesota then things can start to get ugly. You can say that the wild have him under team control for 4 years but we've seen players force their way out.

If the relationship can be fixed then perhaps at the least it goes down the Necas path but if not then it could get ugly.

Wild fans want it both ways: apparently they can hang onto a player that management seems to despise and it won’t hurt his value one bit because he’s super duper awesome, but also they think he isn’t worth what he’s asking on a new contract.

Minnesota should be doing everything they can to retain one of their very few skilled offensive creators. Punting him- especially for futures- is just asking KK to walk.

 

[Peter Griffin]

If you are unwilling to offer 1st+Lekkerimäki, there’s simply no further discussion to be had.

Are any other teams offering a 1st+ top 20 prospect? Ultimately it comes down to how much Guerin wants to move on/avoid an offer sheet and how much Vancouver is willing to spend to acquire Rossi.

 

[AKL]

Why is it not realistic for an RFA to play in Europe? The NHL team still retains the player’s rights. They make a lot less, of course (likely less than 1/10th in Rossi’s case) but he gets to play and still collect decent money.

I'm trying to think of the last time a top six caliber RFA just decided to go play in Europe for a season after their ELC ended

 

[AKL]

but also they think he isn’t worth what he’s asking on a new contract.

If this were true you'd have a point

 

[Fatass]

I'm trying to think of the last time a top six caliber RFA just decided to go play in Europe for a season after their ELC ended

So in your opinion Rossi will either sign a contract he doesn’t want with Minny or be forced to sit?

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Are any other teams offering a 1st+ top 20 prospect? Ultimately it comes down to how much Guerin wants to move on/avoid an offer sheet and how much Vancouver is willing to spend to acquire Rossi.

You don’t know what’s being offered or not being offered! Considered it’s been said and reported wild aren’t wanting or won’t accept picks! You don’t know what teams are offering

 

[AKL]

So in your opinion Rossi will either sign a contract he doesn’t want with Minny or be forced to sit?

I think they're going to sign a contract both sides can live with. Neither side wants to end up in October/November with Rossi sitting out. Minnesota's roster is worse without him, and Guerin can't afford for the team to be worse. Rossi can't afford to miss much hockey, he'll be losing money this year, and his performance will suffer, costing him money in the future.

It won't be either sides ideal contract, but it will get done.

Unless Guerin can get what he wants in a trade for him, which isn't a 1st+B prospect, because again, Guerin can't afford for the team to be worse this year.

 

[Peter Griffin]

You don’t know what’s being offered or not being offered! Considered it’s been said and reported wild aren’t wanting or won’t accept picks! You don’t know what teams are offering

I never said I knew what was being offered?

 

[Agent007]

You don’t know what’s being offered or not being offered! Considered it’s been said and reported wild aren’t wanting or won’t accept picks! You don’t know what teams are offering

They don't want picks (or futures) but it's also been reported they could flip those in another deal (basically what Vancouver has done with both the Horvat and Miller trades).

 

[Fatass]

I think they're going to sign a contract both sides can live with. Neither side wants to end up in October/November with Rossi sitting out. Minnesota's roster is worse without him, and Guerin can't afford for the team to be worse. Rossi can't afford to miss much hockey, he'll be losing money this year, and his performance will suffer, costing him money in the future.

It won't be either sides ideal contract, but it will get done.

Unless Guerin can get what he wants in a trade for him, which isn't a 1st+B prospect, because again, Guerin can't afford for the team to be worse this year.

Imo Rossi is a good player who should return a fair value. (Fair as in what he’s worth)
To me that’s a value in assets Geurin can use to get what he wants. If he can get what he wants with the offer you suggest is all that’s out there, then he will do that because he ends up with he wants. If the return in assets isn’t enough to get what he wants in his next deal then he’s got a decision. Does he accept the Rossi offer and use already existing assets to get the guy he wants, or does he wait and (like you point out) he makes his club worse because he doesn’t have Rossi and doesn’t have the guy he prefers either.

 

[AKL]

Imo Rossi is a good player who should return a fair value. (Fair as in what he’s worth)
To me that’s a value in assets Geurin can use to get what he wants. If he can get what he wants with the offer you suggest is all that’s out there, then he will do that because he ends up with he wants. If the return in assets isn’t enough to get what he wants in his next deal then he’s got a decision. Does he accept the Rossi offer and use already existing assets to get the guy he wants, or does he wait and (like you point out) he makes his club worse because he doesn’t have Rossi and doesn’t have the guy he prefers either.

I mean just look at the reports we've seen. Everyone wants to use their new cap space to improve the roster. No one wants to get worse as of now, except Pittsburgh. There's going to be an abundance of futures available and a relative lack of established NHL talent. We've already heard he's talked to several teams about several players, and they've all said "no thanks, we want to add, not subtract". Even the NY Islanders said Horvat and Barzal aren't available because they want a quick turn around.

Trading Rossi for futures and then flipping the futures sounds okay in theory, but there's very little out there at this point to actually make that a reality.

So it's pretty hard to say he can trade Rossi for futures, because again, he can't afford to make this team worse by flipping Rossi for futures and then not being able to flip the futures. That is a borderline fireable offense for this GM at this time, given he's already wasted 5+ years here, and this was the year he was finally supposed to have built a team that shows it can be a contender moving forward.