He’s got $16M to spend, no? I assume $6M AAV can get a bridge done. That still leaves $10M to play with. If Guerin is trying to spend $16M in this free agency class… for who?
Rumor: Canucks going after Rossi?
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He gave Trenin 3.5M, don't underestimate his willingness to overpay. I could see him giving Dvorak 5. At that rate, two third liners takes up that 10M.
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If we keep Rossi on a 2x6, he better be going after a scoring winger, not fkn Dvorak
Utah has been linked to Rossi. Though don't know the seriousness.
Here are the facts:
- Rossi is 5'9
- Rossi's most common linemates are Matt Boldy, Kirill Kaprizov, and Mats Zuccarello
- Rossi's ESP/60 is 117th in the league, tied with Sean Couts and Martinook
- To give context to the above, he is not a matchup center eating minutes, he actually got a 63% offensive zone start this year
- Rossi is 46.8% on the dot
- Rossi was stapled to the 4th line and averaged 11 minutes a game in this years playoffs
- Rossi scored at a 17% clip this year, previous 100 games his % is closer to 11%
- Rossi had 60 giveaways this year and 17 takeaways
- Rossi is an unsigned RFA with arb rights
Here's what we think we know:
- NHL GMs love size and don't value smaller/shorter players
- Bill Guerin (and the coaching staff seemingly) wants to move on from Marco Rossi, doesn't think they can win with him
- Marco Rossi is looking for a Matt Boldy esque contract and reportedly doesn't want to sign a bridge deal
- The relationship between player and org seems to have fractured; meaning a move is best for both parties... Minny likely wants this done prior to completion of draft to avoid competition from free agency
So if we are looking at this objectively, in what world is Rossi going to command a large package? I much rather have 15th overall pick and a top prospect like Lekkerimaki or Willander + $7-8M cap space over Rossi.
Yeah I mean sure, if a GM wants to overpay and make a stupid move, they are definitely inclined to do so.
If Marco Rossi was truly good, Bill Guerin would have inked the extension months ago. GMs don't move on from 9th overall picks that THEY drafted. It's likely Rossi has been on the block for a while and nobody has been willing to pay a significant package. His value has only decreased as his play has dropped off in the second half of the year - but you guys would know better than anyone... don't need me reminding you.
He's in the Kirby Dach/Alex Newhook trade capital discussion. 15th + a minor piece is more than fair at this point.
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I do enjoy watching everyone bring up Zuccarello with this point, it makes it very clear who doesn't watch the team and probably shouldn't have much of an opinion on Rossi either
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If you're making the implication that Zuccarello is washed and much worse than Rossi - then why did Zucc average 19 minutes a night in the playoffs?
I guess your coaching staff trusted 37 year old Zucc to play top line minutes where the 23 year old Rossi was stapled to the 4th line.
Maybe your coaching staff had the Vegas Golden Knights money line?
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No, not yet. Who knows, that may change this year if he stays. They already committed to starting Yurov at center. Also remains to be seen if they view Hartman as more of a center or a winger. He played a lot of both.
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If you're making the implication that Zuccarello is washed and much worse than Rossi - then why did Zucc average 19 minutes a night in the playoffs?
I guess your coaching staff trusted 37 year old Zucc to play top line minutes where the 23 year old Rossi was stapled to the 4th line.
Maybe your coaching staff had the Vegas Golden Knights money line?
Are you accusing John Hynes of being a good coach?
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I think overpaying is built in to signing UFAs in most cases. That's why it's not usually an effective way of building a contender.
Especially given we're not exactly a top destination in a variety of ways.
I'm saying that the people closest to the players (the coaching staff) didn't believe in Marco Rossi in the playoffs.
He was stapled to the 4th line from the beginning.
What message does that send to the other 31 NHL GMs?
The reality is that, if there was a great package, Rossi probably would have been moved last year as there were rumors then. The big package is more than likely, not coming for you guys. The only redeeming features about this situation is that he plays center and is still young - so there will be teams out there poking.
If Marco Rossi commands a great package, I would be very happy you guys and would be the first one to put my hand up and say I was dead wrong.
I just don't see it though. If I'm a team that can come up with a great package, there are far more players that are more attractive to me: Byram, Peterka, Lafreniere, Robertson, Kyrou, etc.
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This only matters if the people closest to the player are actually competent, so I ask again, are you accusing John Hynes of being a good coach?
LOL.
I'll let you answer this question - I'm not a Minny fan.
I'm just reflecting the FACT that your organization does not think they can win with Marco Rossi. We saw that in the playoffs this year. We see that in the contract negotiations with him right now.
If your own team doesn't believe in him, how would you guys be demanding a large package for him?
His trade value is somewhere in the Kirby Dach/Alex Newhook tier. 15th overall + a minor asset is the probably a pretty accurate/average outcome, within the range of outcomes.
I'd rather take a flyer on a guy like Donato/Roslovic at a way cheaper cost for free than give up anything more than 15th overall + a major asset like Lekkerimaki or Willander.
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Right, this was the point from the start.
My organization has an incompetent coach and GM that have never demonstrated an ability to win anything.
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How many 5'9 centers can you list that have put up 60+ points in their second season, 23 or younger?
I mean I am not a Minnie fan... but I can still tell you that the Minny coaches not playing Rossi more was bad coaching.
first it isn't like they tried him then slowly played him less. He went from like 19 mins a night straight to 4th line minutes... it was stupid.
Second Rossi actually had better numbers away from Kaprizov and Zuc than they had away from him. Maybe that is small sample size, but still.
On the flip side NHL GM's are stupid. I tink Rossi has less value then most of us think not because he is a bad player or anything like that but because GM's are stupid. I think Minny even looking to trade him is a little stupid.
Also cause it was brought up even though it is a weak draft, the canucks 1st at 15 OA is worth a lot more than the first that was asked for in an earlier trade with Philly. So the prospect coming back in a trade would not be of the same quality.
first it isn't like they tried him then slowly played him less. He went from like 19 mins a night straight to 4th line minutes... it was stupid.
Second Rossi actually had better numbers away from Kaprizov and Zuc than they had away from him. Maybe that is small sample size, but still.
On the flip side NHL GM's are stupid. I tink Rossi has less value then most of us think not because he is a bad player or anything like that but because GM's are stupid. I think Minny even looking to trade him is a little stupid.
Also cause it was brought up even though it is a weak draft, the canucks 1st at 15 OA is worth a lot more than the first that was asked for in an earlier trade with Philly. So the prospect coming back in a trade would not be of the same quality.
You’re talking to the guy that went into the rangers board to propose Zibanejad ($1M retained) + Lafreniere for Garland and then told Rangers fans to “use common sense” after receiving negative feedback.
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Update: Michael Russo who just covers wild said on KFAN Dan B that wild won't take picks back at all for Rossi, They want a win now player back and Bill Guerin isn't interested in getting worse or picks at this moment. Also, Wild have reached out to Calgary about Nazem Kadri. Rossi is willing to sign a short-term deal with wild if wild offer a short-term deal between 6 to 6.5 mil for two years.
Alot of teams including Seattle and Calgary wants to win now and aren't willing to trade players.
Alot of teams including Seattle and Calgary wants to win now and aren't willing to trade players.
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