Rumor: Canucks going after Rossi?

[MNRube]

He is good but has no elite skills. Average shot, average skating, average at best in D zone, not a play driver, average at best in FO, not a 1PP Unit player....

If 7 x 7 is for an all around average/good player with no elite skill than it is what is

He’s a PP1 guy. Wild just need a net front guy and Ek is better at that role.

No great physical traits, but he’s smart and a good finisher.

My concern with him is his motor. He tends to coast and often avoids contact. He’s no Marchand or even a Stankoven in the intensity department.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Not in the D zone it isn't. Lack mega awareness there with his IQ.

But you probably are right, average players will now be getting $7M

He's a 2nd year player. Anything in his profile that says he's not going to be working at it?

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I don't really think it is? I don't think anyone disagrees that he would probably be even better if he was an elite skater, but I'm not sure why being an average skater means he can't be an effective 2nd line player (minimum), when he already is that.

Assuming by "any good" you mean 1st liner or really good 2nd liner (disregard if you mean avg 2nd liner, 3rd liner on a contender):

1. If Rossi is playing on the 2nd line then you are already reducing his minutes per game. I wouldn't expect his point totals to increase with a decrease in role.

2. Rossi will never have the strength to win in the corners or the speed to get around guys. He is physically limited. Kaprizov is undersized, but his skating is wayyyyy better. Boldy’s skating is slow with good edges and has the strength to win in the corners.

3. Rossi's shot isn’t great and he doesn’t shoot often. This is one that could get better, but I’m not sure there’s much higher till he reaches the ceiling. He had less shots this year than his rookie year despite playing 1:30 more per game. The redeeming quality in this is that he seems to find a way to shoot the puck in close/near the net.

4. Playmaking is alright. Not high end, but not bad either. Pretty average. I'm not sure I see anything most low end 2nd line or high end 3rd line players aren't doing.

 

[HairyKneel]

We do owe you something for that, and McLean. We'll trade you the rights for Hockeyfan200.

Judd Brackett is seen as some sort of wizard by a few neckbeards in Vancouver.

 

[IAHockey25]

He's a 2nd year player. Anything in his profile that says he's not going to be working at it?

I am not going to fight the battle. He doesn't have the frame or strength to be what you think he can.....we just disagree. That's OK

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I am not going to fight the battle. He doesn't have the frame or strength to be what you think he can.....we just disagree. That's OK

What do you think that I think he can be?

 

[IAHockey25]

He’s a PP1 guy. Wild just need a net front guy and Ek is better at that role.

No great physical traits, but he’s smart and a good finisher.

My concern with him is his motor. He tends to coast and often avoids contact. He’s no Marchand or even a Stankoven in the intensity department.

He’s a PP1 guy. Wild just need a net front guy and Ek is better at that role.

No great physical traits, but he’s smart and a good finisher.

My concern with him is his motor. He tends to coast and often avoids contact. He’s no Marchand or even a Stankoven in the intensity department.

He can't be though....there will always be someone better on the team than him in every role. That's not knocking him. He is a good player but you have to know he won't excel at anything

 

[IAHockey25]

What do you think that I think he can be?

I'm not you so how could I know....

I think everyone on here thinks he his a solid player.....some think his solid is not that great and some think his solid is really great.

7x7 is crazy to me for him but may not be crazy for you.....that's ok

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm not you so how could I know....

I think everyone on here thinks he his a solid player.....some think his solid is not that great and some think his solid is really great.

7x7 is crazy to me for him but may not be crazy for you.....that's ok

"He doesn't have the frame or strength to be what you think he can"

You obviously had some sort of thought about what that might be.

 

[IAHockey25]

"He doesn't have the frame or strength to be what you think he can"

You obviously had some sort of thought about what that might be.

Correct. He doesn’t.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Not the type of player I would target. Is going to be a fairly expensive 2nd line winger who is pretty weak.

 

[Regal]

You make that lindholm trade again any day.

Kuz at that time was essentially a cap dump and it looks like they sold hunter at his peak

I love how Jurmo was listed as a promising defensive prospect and not “generic contract slot”

 

[57special]

Not the type of player I would target. Is going to be a fairly expensive 2nd line winger who is pretty weak.

?? He is already a 2C, and has never played Wing- not in junior, not in the AHL, not in the NHL.

 

[Fatass]

?? He is already a 2C, and has never played Wing- not in junior, not in the AHL, not in the NHL.

Yes, Rossi is clearly a centre. The question is whether a club can allocate 7+ on their cap to a centre with his profile? There are reasons why Minny is looking to move on from him. There are reasons why other clubs desire him. But because of his profile, especially his size, there will be questions about the dollar value a club can commit to him.
From a Van perspective, their current management tends To target much taller players. Zacha isn’t the play driver Rossi is, but he fits their profile. There are several factors to weight if trading for Rossi. Cost to acquire. Allocation of cap. Size of player. Same factors Minny is weighing.

 

[ctmagic]

Yes, Rossi is clearly a centre. The question is whether a club can allocate 7+ on their cap to a centre with his profile? There are reasons why Minny is looking to move on from him. There are reasons why other clubs desire him. But because of his profile, especially his size, there will be questions about the dollar value a club can commit to him.
From a Van perspective, their current management tends To target much taller players. Zacha isn’t the play driver Rossi is, but he fits their profile. There are several factors to weight if trading for Rossi. Cost to acquire. Allocation of cap. Size of player. Same factors Minny is weighing.

Isn’t Zacha butt buddies with Pasta? Why is he being mentioned as a trade target for Van? Pretty sure I saw something about Necas wanting to go to Boston to play with those two guys too.

 

[57special]

Yes, Rossi is clearly a centre. The question is whether a club can allocate 7+ on their cap to a centre with his profile? There are reasons why Minny is looking to move on from him. There are reasons why other clubs desire him. But because of his profile, especially his size, there will be questions about the dollar value a club can commit to him.
From a Van perspective, their current management tends To target much taller players. Zacha isn’t the play driver Rossi is, but he fits their profile. There are several factors to weight if trading for Rossi. Cost to acquire. Allocation of cap. Size of player. Same factors Minny is weighing.

A team depends on the mix of a teams players. You need some size, strength, speed, skill, but especially, scoring. Players who can score have high value, always. Always have. The size issue is overblown, if the player can get to the inside. Rossi can... he's not a beast or anything, but is able to wriggle his way netfront.

Also, 7M is not a lot of money right now with the way the cap is going up. It might be looked at as a bargain 3-4 years from now, when Rossi is a 70 pt. C.

For comparison purposes, another Wild #9 oa pick, Mikael Granlund, while 1" taller, was weaker, and about the same speed when he was sa young player. He also played C, but after a few years playing there in the NHL(and mostly failing) he was moved to the wing and prospered. Unlike Rossi, he also had a record of playing W in his pre NHL days. Rossi is a far more willing shooter than MiG ever was. Both are smart, skilled players. I think Rossi is an improved Granlund...partly because he plays C, partly because he can play inside better, partly because is a better, and more effective, shooter. I'll take goals over assists, any day. Rossi does both.

 

[MNRube]

Id like a bridge deal. If Yurov proves he can be an NHL C, Minnesota should be able to insulate Rossi better than most with Eriksson Ek there to take the hard matchups. Hartman also has his moments.

In lieu of using Rossi as the main piece to acquire a 1C, I think you try to resign him.

Vancouver is in a bit of a weird spot. They have a stacked blueline but are suddenly very thin up front. Not sure the EP/Rossi combo is designed for long playoff runs. I think they’d be better off targeting a Zacha or a Voronkov type of player with more size and compete

 

[ginner classic]

its been reported many many times that wild aren't intersted in mid to late 1st round pick in this draft and they are looking for a top 4 player now in this draft

Picks are liquid currency. Players are relatively illiquid. You have to find a fit. Position wise. Style wise. Contract. The Canucks have used that pathway multiple times when trade fit made moves difficult or impossible. It's not rocket science.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Picks are liquid currency. Players are relatively illiquid. You have to find a fit. Position wise. Style wise. Contract. The Canucks have used that pathway multiple times when trade fit made moves difficult or impossible. It's not rocket science.

i mean wild and many teams don't like this draft. If the wild can't get a win now player, they will wait to get a 2026 picks which will be easier to trade. They gave away most of their picks in 25 for this reason.

 

[Vector]

I don't know. What did the combine numbers say? I'm guessing height and weight were involved. Though maybe there wasn't one with Covid.

There wasn’t a combine for 2020 and 2021.

 

[ginner classic]

i mean wild and many teams don't like this draft. If the wild can't get a win now player, they will wait to get a 2026 picks which will be easier to trade. They gave away most of their picks in 25 for this reason.

It. Is. Currency. It's not about them making the picks. It's about getting an asset they can flip easier than finding a direct trade fit. See Horvat trade (pick immediately flipped for Hronek). See Miller trade (pick immediately fljpped for M Pettersson).

 

[Hockeyfan200]

It. Is. Currency. It's not about them making the picks. It's about getting an asset they can flip easier than finding a direct trade fit. See Horvat trade (pick immediately flipped for Hronek). See Miller trade (pick immediately fljpped for M Pettersson).

I get where you're coming from, but it's literally been stated; factually reported wild not take 2025 especially Mid to late 1st round picks in this draft. So while they may be currency, true, yeah wild see the 2026 picks as being easier to trade if they can't get a win now player like Peterka. Wild are in a win now mood.

 

[HairyKneel]

For Bruins fans:

Déjà Vu all over again in Vancouver:


Rutherford and Allvin sent a significant package, including Andrei Kuzmenko, two promising defense prospects (Hunter Brzustewicz and Joni Jurmo), a 2024 first-round pick, and a conditional fourth, to Calgary in exchange for RHC 29-year-old rental Elias Lindholm. He played his part during the playoff run, but walked in free agency after Vancouver declined to match what ultimately proved to be a market-rate deal: seven years at $7.75 million AAV.


Now, just a year later, the Canucks find themselves back in the same spot, searching for a top-six centre. This time, it’s Marco Rossi on their radar, and early indications suggest it could cost them yet another first-round pick.


In effect, management is poised to pay twice for the same roster need. The Lindholm trade burned premium assets without long-term retention, and now the front office may be forced to repeat the cycle just to restore what was briefly gained and quickly lost.

Take heart, your Bruins benefitted from the continued incompetence of the Rutherford regime.

I love how Jurmo was listed as a promising defensive prospect and not “generic contract slot”

That poster is out to lunch. Pure troll. Jurmo is a beer league D man.

 

[Goatlender]

That poster is out to lunch. Pure troll. Jurmo is a beer league D man.

I’m not sure if it’s trolling as much as mental illness and starving for attention.

 

[RandV]

i mean wild and many teams don't like this draft. If the wild can't get a win now player, they will wait to get a 2026 picks which will be easier to trade. They gave away most of their picks in 25 for this reason.

Personally I find this repeated statement nonsensical. It's perfectly valid that scouting departments may see this years draft in certain ranges weaker than others. and that the Wild prefer to have a now player if they trade Rossi and not a draft pick. But this idea that scouts just overall 'don't like a draft'? That's nonsense. If the Wild had pick #15 maybe they look at the players available as equivalent to a #25 pick from the previous year, and management wasn't happy with the acquisition cost, but I'm sure Brackett and the amateur scouts will have their list and end up with a player they're happy to have. If management doesn't just trade it back out for a now player and let another team get a prospect they want. Yes the Wild already traded their pick, but that was a trade to get David Jiricek.

Basically this is the trade rumours board, not fantasy hockey, and what we have are rumours and speculation. It appears that Guerin isn't interested in meeting Rossi's contract demands, and with a lot of teams needing a center an offer sheet is a very likely possibility. Vancouver is one of those teams needing a center, and their most readily available center piece asset will be the #15 in the upcoming draft with maybe some tweaks here or there. It's up to Guerin how he wants to play it but if Vancouver is in the mix this could be a contender for the best value asset, even if its not what he's specifically looking for. Draft picks are the most fluid assets though so he could easily do something else with it.