Rumor: Canucks going after Rossi?

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Rossi can sign a bridge deal- there are still 4 years of team control left. Any cap strapped, or risk averse, team can sign him for 2x5M, or something like that, then do a longer term deal after that(or not) w/o having to compete against other teams.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Its pretty obvious that a lot of people here have not watched Rossi play.

Thye see 5'9 and immediately think soft perimeter player which is the opposite of Rossi.

Alot of his "work" and goals are in the dirty area in front of the net.

His lack of size comes in negatively in regards to being able to wear down opposing players. but not everyone needs to be a bruiser.


Rossi has Point Per Game potential to me and would be a steal at 7x7. Come playoff time tho, yes youll have to create the rest of the roster with some size and grit. However, imo those type of players are easier to obtain than trying to get a skilled 2C.


Offer wise id go:

15th overall, 3rd round pick, Hoglander

Hoglander was a Judd Brackett pick. He love the player

or Minny can go after Lekkerimaki and re-unite him with Ohgren as the 2 were part of the dominant Djugarden 3.


Lekkerimaki, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick for Rossi

 

[AKL]

Its pretty obvious that a lot of people here have not watched Rossi play.

Thye see 5'9 and immediately think soft perimeter player which is the opposite of Rossi.

Alot of his "work" and goals are in the dirty area in front of the net.

His lack of size comes in negatively in regards to being able to wear down opposing players. but not everyone needs to be a bruiser.


Rossi has Point Per Game potential to me and would be a steal at 7x7. Come playoff time tho, yes youll have to create the rest of the roster with some size and grit. However, imo those type of players are easier to obtain than trying to get a skilled 2C.


Offer wise id go:

15th overall, 3rd round pick, Hoglander

Hoglander was a Judd Brackett pick. He love the player

or Minny can go after Lekkerimaki and re-unite him with Ohgren as the 2 were part of the dominant Djugarden 3.


Lekkerimaki, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick for Rossi

I think you're pretty spot on in your assessment of him, which is why neither of those two offers are appealing to me.

 

[MessierII]

Maybe in a package for Patterson otherwise makes no sense.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I think you're pretty spot on in your assessment of him, which is why neither of those two offers are appealing to me.

Fair enough, however if you were expecting optimal , high end return for Rossi then the move would have been to trade him last off-season or at the TDL.

Guerin has shown his cards, they dont believe in Rossi and they dont want to invest in him. They also distressed his value by playing him like a 4th liner in the playoffs. Every GM knows this.

Rossi being able to sing an offer sheet on July 1 plays against the Wild as well.

If I was the Wild, id take the best offer right now that has more value than a 1st and 3rd round pick.

Then use those ammo to trade for whatever the team needs are.

 

[VIPettersson]

Maybe in a package for Patterson otherwise makes no sense.

deal, Riley Patterson for Rossi straight up no take backs

 

[AKL]

Fair enough, however if you were expecting optimal , high end return for Rossi then the move would have been to trade him last off-season or at the TDL.

Guerin has shown his cards, they dont believe in Rossi and they dont want to invest in him. They also distressed his value by playing him like a 4th liner in the playoffs. Every GM knows this.

Rossi being able to sing an offer sheet on July 1 plays against the Wild as well.

If I was the Wild, id take the best offer right now that has more value than a 1st and 3rd round pick.

Then use those ammo to trade for whatever the team needs are.

Well I still maintain that the best path forward is to not trade him at all unless the trade actually makes you a better team. If not now, at least in the future. I don't think either of your offers do that.

So I'm not going to spend time discussing trades that don't do that until that trade happens, if it does.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Well I still maintain that the best path forward is to not trade him at all unless the trade actually makes you a better team. If not now, at least in the future. I don't think either of your offers do that.

So I'm not going to spend time discussing trades that don't do that until that trade happens, if it does.

Best path forward is to not trade him?

Then Rossi signs an offer sheet contract on July 1 which Minny wont match and theyll likely receive just a 1st and a 3rd.

I think Russo is right, a Rossi trade will likely be announced before the draft and maybe even during the cup finals on of its days off.

 

[AKL]

Best path forward is to not trade him?

Then Rossi signs an offer sheet contract on July 1 which Minny wont match and theyll likely receive just a 1st and a 3rd.

I think Russo is right, a Rossi trade will likely be announced before the draft and maybe even during the cup finals on of its days off.

It's implied that not trading him means signing him and keeping him on the team.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Crazy thing is he's been 5'9 for pretty much his entire career, you'd think people would stop using that excuse at this point and point to something in his game as a reason he won't be any good, but they haven't.

They do, it’s just ignored.

 

[Sota Popinski]

IMO he's very much like Mikael Granlund, who was another young productive centerman we traded to avoid giving them their big pay day. He's going to be a good 2C, smart both ends of the ice, playmaker, plays bigger than he is. But his size will keep him from being a true 1C. Granlund is still a very useful and valuable player.

A. We traded Granlund for Fiala, who turned out to be better than Granlund, who we then traded for Faber and a 1st. If that's how the Rossi trades out, that would be great.
B. Granlund never got a big payday and really hasn't deserved one.

 

[AKL]

They do, it’s just ignored.

I don't really think it is? I don't think anyone disagrees that he would probably be even better if he was an elite skater, but I'm not sure why being an average skater means he can't be an effective 2nd line player (minimum), when he already is that.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Best path forward is to not trade him?

Then Rossi signs an offer sheet contract on July 1 which Minny wont match and theyll likely receive just a 1st and a 3rd.

I think Russo is right, a Rossi trade will likely be announced before the draft and maybe even during the cup finals on of its days off.

Not wanting to go something like 7x7(which is BG's position right now), is not the same thing as being unwilling to sign it if the alternate is losing a productive player for a 1st and 3rd and immediately making your team worse.

We think we know that's not what BG wants to do. Things are different when the offersheet is actually offered, and it's time to make the decision. Very well could plug his nose and match it.

 

[ctmagic]

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[HotDish]

A. We traded Granlund for Fiala, who turned out to be better than Granlund, who we then traded for Faber and a 1st. If that's how the Rossi trades out, that would be great.
B. Granlund never got a big payday and really hasn't deserved one.

That was definitely the fear Russo was stoking up though. Granlund was a 60+ point player and signed a 3 year deal at 5.7 mil.

Once he got traded he turned into a 20-30 point player for a few years and Covid happened.

Russo was saying that Granlund’s next contract would be around 9 mil. He was going to be a 28 year old UFA that Wild were hoping would develop into a point per game guy back in 2017.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

For Bruins fans:

Déjà Vu all over again in Vancouver:


Rutherford and Allvin sent a significant package, including Andrei Kuzmenko, two promising defense prospects (Hunter Brzustewicz and Joni Jurmo), a 2024 first-round pick, and a conditional fourth, to Calgary in exchange for RHC 29-year-old rental Elias Lindholm. He played his part during the playoff run, but walked in free agency after Vancouver declined to match what ultimately proved to be a market-rate deal: seven years at $7.75 million AAV.


Now, just a year later, the Canucks find themselves back in the same spot, searching for a top-six centre. This time, it’s Marco Rossi on their radar, and early indications suggest it could cost them yet another first-round pick.


In effect, management is poised to pay twice for the same roster need. The Lindholm trade burned premium assets without long-term retention, and now the front office may be forced to repeat the cycle just to restore what was briefly gained and quickly lost.

Take heart, your Bruins benefitted from the continued incompetence of the Rutherford regime.

 

[KeeferH]

For Bruins fans:

Déjà Vu all over again in Vancouver:


Rutherford and Allvin sent a significant package, including Andrei Kuzmenko, two promising defense prospects (Hunter Brzustewicz and Joni Jurmo), a 2024 first-round pick, and a conditional fourth, to Calgary in exchange for RHC 29-year-old rental Elias Lindholm. He played his part during the playoff run, but walked in free agency after Vancouver declined to match what ultimately proved to be a market-rate deal: seven years at $7.75 million AAV.


Now, just a year later, the Canucks find themselves back in the same spot, searching for a top-six centre. This time, it’s Marco Rossi on their radar, and early indications suggest it could cost them yet another first-round pick.


In effect, management is poised to pay twice for the same roster need. The Lindholm trade burned premium assets without long-term retention, and now the front office may be forced to repeat the cycle just to restore what was briefly gained and quickly lost.

Take heart, your Bruins benefitted from the continued incompetence of the Rutherford regime.

You make that lindholm trade again any day.

Kuz at that time was essentially a cap dump and it looks like they sold hunter at his peak

 

[IAHockey25]

Crazy thing is he's been 5'9 for pretty much his entire career, you'd think people would stop using that excuse at this point and point to something in his game as a reason he won't be any good, but they haven't.

He is good but has no elite skills. Average shot, average skating, average at best in D zone, not a play driver, average at best in FO, not a 1PP Unit player....

If 7 x 7 is for an all around average/good player with no elite skill than it is what is

 

[AKL]

He is good but has no elite skills. Average shot, average skating, average at best in D zone, not a play driver, average at best in FO, not a 1PP Unit player....

If 7 x 7 is for an all around average/good player with no elite skill than it is what is

Elite IQ. I think we're gonna find out quickly that 7M is not a number for high end or elite players anymore. Those guys are making 12-16 going forward. Kaprizov will get 14-15. Boldy would probably get at least 9, maybe 10. 7 is the new 5.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Poor guy is gonna be 4’ 0” by the time this thread is done.

 

[IAHockey25]

Elite IQ. I think we're gonna find out quickly that 7M is not a number for high end or elite players anymore. Those guys are making 12-16 going forward. Kaprizov will get 14-15. Boldy would probably get at least 9, maybe 10. 7 is the new 5.

Not in the D zone it isn't. Lack mega awareness there with his IQ.

But you probably are right, average players will now be getting $7M

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think Rossi could get the most money out of Buffalo.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Rossi can sign a bridge deal- there are still 4 years of team control left. Any cap strapped, or risk averse, team can sign him for 2x5M, or something like that, then do a longer term deal after that(or not) w/o having to compete against other teams.

Is that what Rossi wants though?

 

[HairyKneel]

Yes Willander

if he appears in a trade, it would be so vancouver.

ive lost count of the GM's who have said you have to address right shot defense in the draft otherwise you pay through the nose is free agency or in trades.

They have very good depth on the right side right now.

Let IG be the troll.

 

[Eegs]

This has smelled like a Billy Blunder from the start. I don't see why Rossi can't be part of the solution in Minny.