Friedman: Canucks give Brock Boeser's agent the permission to speak with other teams

[McJedi]

What you don’t understand, but keep trying to tell the people that actually watch him, you’re wrong. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re repeating the same drivel that’s been posted by others as fact without looking at context or history.

“wHat cAnUcK fAns DoN’T uNdErStaNd…”

From a guy applying Lucic to a trade. Lmao… you can’t make this shit up.

What you very clearly don’t understand is the salary cap and its existence. But it’s a real thing. Lucic is awful, but this awful contract ends in a few months.

Boeser also has a bad contract. He’s not as bad a player as Lucic but he’s got a bad contract and it lasts until the summer of 2025.

What’s worse. To overpay Lucic for a few more months and then have the cap space to spend smarter. Or to overpay Boeser for three more seasons?

With bad contracts, the more valuable asset is the short contract. You’re stuck on comparing players here for some misguided reason. With bad contracts like Lucic and Boeser. You compare AAV and term.

Calgarys GM would be an idiot to consider a Boeser for Lucic swap. He gets out of the Lucic mistake in June. The mistake of giving boeser $6.65mm per isn’t one that ends for another 3 seasons.

 

[Peter Griffin]

What you very clearly don’t understand is the salary cap and its existence. But it’s a real thing. Lucic is awful, but this awful contract ends in a few months.

Boeser also has a bad contract. He’s not as bad a player as Lucic but he’s got a bad contract and it lasts until the summer of 2025.

What’s worse. To overpay Lucic for a few more months and then have the cap space to spend smarter. Or to overpay Boeser for three more seasons?

With bad contracts, the more valuable asset is the short contract. You’re stuck on comparing players here for some misguided reason. With bad contracts like Lucic and Boeser. You compare AAV and term.

Calgarys GM would be an idiot to consider a Boeser for Lucic swap. He gets out of the Lucic mistake in June. The mistake of giving boeser $6.65mm per isn’t one that ends for another 3 seasons.

The difference here is that Lucic is overpaid by about $5-6M and Boeser by maybe $1.5M. Yes Boeser’s contract isn’t great, but at minimum he’s a $5M player. Throughout this thread you’re treating him like he’s a complete contract dump which I don’t really think is the case.

 

[sting101]

It's what happens when the GM has tried to trade the player and there's no interest outside of significant sweetners combined with cap dumps. Canuck fans don't like hearing this, but it's a fact.

No actually it's what happens when a agent says his client is unhappy and starts pushing the organization to either play him top6 and PP1 or move him and hes been underperforming compared to Kuzmenko.

If they want control of his situation over what benefits the team than go ahead and find somewhere he would be happier is what they are telling his representatives. It's nonsense that they had to resign him at 6.6 x 3 after shopping him and getting no offers. If that was his value they could have just qualified him for one year and walked him to free agency.

The org gave him a chance to bounce back after a horrible family situation and injury plagued season where he was not good and step his game up and be part of the core going forward. Brock talked about 30 plus goals in the pre season and then unfortunately he got hurt missed pre season with a hand surgery and his shot and conditioning has suffered because of it.

Of course you have a bunch of idiotic trolls running down 25yr old Brock as if he's 35 and done as a goal scorer and point producer in the league and you can always just go to the almost PPG 2 way player store and replace him with a better version on a great contract.

The reason the Canucks move BB6 is because they have a dearth of scorers that are not particularly good 2 ways and lack a cap balance and flexibility to fix a poor defense. Plus Kuzmenko looks like he has star potential and they will need money to retain him.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

No actually it's what happens when a agent says his client is unhappy and starts pushing the organization to either play him top6 and PP1 or move him and hes been underperforming compared to Kuzmenko.

If they want control of his situation over what benefits the team than go ahead and find somewhere he would be happier is what they are telling his representatives. It's nonsense that they had to resign him at 6.6 x 3 after shopping him and getting no offers. If that was his value they could have just qualified him for one year and walked him to free agency.

The org gave him a chance to bounce back after a horrible family situation and injury plagued season where he was not good and step his game up and be part of the core going forward. Brock talked about 30 plus goals in the pre season and then unfortunately he got hurt missed pre season with a hand surgery and his shot and conditioning has suffered because of it.

Of course you have a bunch of idiotic trolls running down 25yr old Brock as if he's 35 and done as a goal scorer and point producer in the league and you can always just go to the almost PPG 2 way player store and replace him with a better version on a great contract.

The reason the Canucks move BB6 is because they have a dearth of scorers that are not particularly good 2 ways and lack a cap balance and flexibility to fix a poor defense. Plus Kuzmenko looks like he has star potential and they will need money to retain him.

 

[sting101]

What you very clearly don’t understand is the salary cap and its existence. But it’s a real thing. Lucic is awful, but this awful contract ends in a few months.

Boeser also has a bad contract. He’s not as bad a player as Lucic but he’s got a bad contract and it lasts until the summer of 2025.

What’s worse. To overpay Lucic for a few more months and then have the cap space to spend smarter. Or to overpay Boeser for three more seasons?

With bad contracts, the more valuable asset is the short contract. You’re stuck on comparing players here for some misguided reason. With bad contracts like Lucic and Boeser. You compare AAV and term.

Calgarys GM would be an idiot to consider a Boeser for Lucic swap. He gets out of the Lucic mistake in June. The mistake of giving boeser $6.65mm per isn’t one that ends for another 3 seasons.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Lol at any of the dummies in this thread who think the Oilers would trade Nurse in a package for Boeser and OEL.

Thank goodness, please keep Nurse

 

[Warh1ppy]

At this point in time. I think any hockey fans, not team fans see what vancouver has to do.

They need to jettison some bad contracts or seemingly bad contracts.

I don't believe Boeser has the negative value some do. But I believe if they take back a comparable short term contract like Lucic, Johnson etc with a shorter term. It makes more sense than just trading Boeser to trade him. They can retain value by taking a bad contract AND get out from that 2nd and or 3rd year of Boesers contract.

I'd suggest the same with Myers. Hell Miller too if someone wants him. All three players would have value to another team but their cap hits make them potentially unpalatable to trade.

for the Canucks to actually progress in to the future it means keeping a smart core of youth in their 25 and under players. It means making hard decisions like trading their most tradable assets in horvat, kuzmenko and schenn. It means taking back shorter term contracts like Lucic, Johnson etc to maximize value and free up cap space earlier.

The writing is on the wall for the Canucks and they can be smart and field that deeper competitive team in 2-3 years of smart asset management and cap use. Or they can do what they've done since 2012/2013 and keep hoping that having no depth, prospects or assets and trading early round picks for other teams unwanted prospects or youth players somehow pans out.

 

[McJedi]

No actually it's what happens when a agent says his client is unhappy and starts pushing the organization to either play him top6 and PP1 or move him and hes been underperforming compared to Kuzmenko.

If they want control of his situation over what benefits the team than go ahead and find somewhere he would be happier is what they are telling his representatives. It's nonsense that they had to resign him at 6.6 x 3 after shopping him and getting no offers. If that was his value they could have just qualified him for one year and walked him to free agency.

The org gave him a chance to bounce back after a horrible family situation and injury plagued season where he was not good and step his game up and be part of the core going forward. Brock talked about 30 plus goals in the pre season and then unfortunately he got hurt missed pre season with a hand surgery and his shot and conditioning has suffered because of it.

Of course you have a bunch of idiotic trolls running down 25yr old Brock as if he's 35 and done as a goal scorer and point producer in the league and you can always just go to the almost PPG 2 way player store and replace him with a better version on a great contract.

The reason the Canucks move BB6 is because they have a dearth of scorers that are not particularly good 2 ways and lack a cap balance and flexibility to fix a poor defense. Plus Kuzmenko looks like he has star potential and they will need money to retain him.

The reason Vancouver wants to trade Boeser is because he’s a bad allocation of $6.65mm given your need to resign better players over the next three seasons.

Why is it so hard for Vancouver fans to grasp this is also the reason other teams don’t want him at $6.65 thru 2025. He’d create the same problems for Minnesota, Edmonton, Washington and so on. No team is going to trade for a problematic contract like Boeser’s unless Vancouver incentivizes that team to do so.

Probably easiest to retain $2mm per and trade him. You’d get an asset for the pro rated $6mm in cap space you sold and free up $4.65mm to spend on better players.

Ask Minnesota fans this.

Boeser at $4.65mm for a 2023 2nd round pick. Gets them a middle six forward on a reasonable AAV and term. Y’all get an asset of value and some cap space for the next two offseasons.

The first thing Vancouver needs to do is forget the notion they can trade Boeser at $6.65mm cap hit for any value. The value in trading Boeser is entirely tied up in removing his future term from your cap.

 

[Breakers]

I pray that Vancouver understands one day that cap space is valuable, can can be weaponized.

This new management sure as hell hasn't grasped the concept like the last idiot.

 

[57special]

The reason Vancouver wants to trade Boeser is because he’s a bad allocation of $6.65mm given your need to resign better players over the next three seasons.

Why is it so hard for Vancouver fans to grasp this is also the reason other teams don’t want him at $6.65 thru 2025. He’d create the same problems for Minnesota, Edmonton, Washington and so on. No team is going to trade for a problematic contract like Boeser’s unless Vancouver incentivizes that team to do so.

Probably easiest to retain $2mm per and trade him. You’d get an asset for the pro rated $6mm in cap space you sold and free up $4.65mm to spend on better players.

Ask Minnesota fans this.

Boeser at $4.65mm for a 2023 2nd round pick. Gets them a middle six forward on a reasonable AAV and term. Y’all get an asset of value and some cap space for the next two offseasons.

The first thing Vancouver needs to do is forget the notion they can trade Boeser at $6.65mm cap hit for any value. The value in trading Boeser is entirely tied up in removing his future term from your cap.

As a MN fan, I don't really know what to say about even getting Boeser on the team, retained or not. It's hard to know who and what he is. I think his main value when he was good was as a sniper with a limited game otherwise, but there's nothing wrong with that, and a lot to like. Scoring goals is the most valuable asset a player can have. However, injuries seem to have taken that ability from him in recent years, and worsened his already mediocre two way play.
Due to the cap crunch that they are in, it seems a poor bet to acquire Boeser, no matter the cost.

MN has had a LOT of injuries to their forwards, but the final two injured players(Duhaime and Hartman) are due back within a week. I am pretty sure that MN wants to see the effect they have coming back into the lineup on the overall team play. On paper they are no great shakes, but both add t speed, toughness, and two way play more than Boeser can. If Hartman can refind even a part of the scoring he had last year(34g), the he alone makes Boeser redundant, as a RHS forward...he can also play C, unlike Boeser.

 

[McJedi]

As a MN fan, I don't really know what to say about even getting Boeser on the team, retained or not. It's hard to know who and what he is. I think his main value when he was good was as a sniper with a limited game otherwise, but there's nothing wrong with that, and a lot to like. Scoring goals is the most valuable asset a player can have. However, injuries seem to have taken that ability from him in recent years, and worsened his already mediocre two way play.
Due to the cap crunch that they are in, it seems a poor bet to acquire Boeser, no matter the cost.

MN has had a LOT of injuries to their forwards, but the final two injured players(Duhaime and Hartman) are due back within a week. I am pretty sure that MN wants to see the effect they have coming back into the lineup on the overall team play. On paper they are no great shakes, but both add t speed, toughness, and two way play more than Boeser can. If Hartman can refind even a part of the scoring he had last year(34g), the he alone makes Boeser redundant, as a RHS forward...he can also play C, unlike Boeser.

Minnesota seems like one of the most obvious landing spots for Boeser.

And yet you’re not sure you’d want him at any AAV… let alone $6.65mm.

Vancouver fans seem incredulous I think Boeser has no to negative value. But they haven’t offered a single valid reason or example of his value and why they think he’ll fetch even a decent return (like a 2nd round pick) assuming Vancouver doesn’t retain or take back a bad contract with term.

 

[57special]

Minnesota seems like one of the most obvious landing spots for Boeser.

And yet you’re not sure you’d want him at any AAV… let alone $6.65mm.

Vancouver fans seem incredulous I think Boeser has no to negative value. But they haven’t offered a single valid reason or example of his value and why they think he’ll fetch even a decent return (like a 2nd round pick) assuming Vancouver doesn’t retain or take back a bad contract with term.

It's the uncertainty with Boeser. Will he heal up in a month or two and be back to his form of 3-4 years ago? Or is he damaged goods? Some teams desperate for talent might take a chance on him, and what's more, have the cap space available. MN is not one of those teams.

Another funny thing about teams with cap space. They often have that cap space because the team is cheap, and doesn't want to spend up to the cap limit. Just because they have cap space, doesn't mean they will use it.

 

[EverTheCynic]

Goes both ways. Just because you have $20m in cap space doesn't mean top 6F and top 4D are going to fall out of the sky for you. Which seems to be the insinuation among a lot of fans.

(Forgot to quote the person I was responding to. Oh well)

 

[ole ole]

If that’s the case aren’t you looking a Monahan type trade?

But if he's gone that bad the Habs would be better off trading Monahan for an asset not a 6.65 mill per year problem. I'm worried that Hughs might go after him.

 

[ole ole]

He is having a decent year, But clearly canucks want cap to spend elsewhere.

I think a 2nd rounder would get it done with no retention

How many teams can fit his cap hit? Is he worth cap hit?

 

[Jumptheshark]

I pray that Vancouver understands one day that cap space is valuable, can can be weaponized.

This new management sure as hell hasn't grasped the concept like the last idiot.

every fan base hopes THEIR team management can weaponize their cap space--problem is getting the cap space. That is the challange

In the case of moving either Boeser or Horvat--nucks maybe looking at taking a contract back. That seems to be the current situation for many teams trying to make trades

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Josh Anderson for Brock Boeser?

 

[Canuck86]

If Buffalo had interest in Boeser would the Sabre fans on this forum be willing to part with any of: Rasmus Asplund, 2023 or 2024 2nd round pick or rhd Oskari Laaksonen?

Would Buffalo offer 2 of the above for Boeser? We could take a salary that maybe ended this summer. This is a deal to move the 6m cap hit and take a chance on a pair of the above players and or 1 player and a 2nd round pick headed to Vancouver??

Thanks in advance for any Buffalo fan input.

 

[Qwijibo]

Josh Anderson for Brock Boeser?

Don’t want Boeser. He can’t skate, is terrible defensively abd has a $6.65m cap hit fir 3 seasons. I’d rather keep Anderson (who appears to be developing some chemistry with Slafkovsky)

 

[Beerz]

If Buffalo had interest in Boeser would the Sabre fans on this forum be willing to part with any of: Rasmus Asplund, 2023 or 2024 2nd round pick or rhd Oskari Laaksonen?

Would Buffalo offer 2 of the above for Boeser? We could take a salary that maybe ended this summer. This is a deal to move the 6m cap hit and take a chance on a pair of the above players and or 1 player and a 2nd round pick headed to Vancouver??

Thanks in advance for any Buffalo fan input.

Probably... but I doubt Buffalo has interest in Boeser. Would be like having 2 Olofssons

 

[Peter Griffin]

The reason Vancouver wants to trade Boeser is because he’s a bad allocation of $6.65mm given your need to resign better players over the next three seasons.

Why is it so hard for Vancouver fans to grasp this is also the reason other teams don’t want him at $6.65 thru 2025. He’d create the same problems for Minnesota, Edmonton, Washington and so on. No team is going to trade for a problematic contract like Boeser’s unless Vancouver incentivizes that team to do so.

Probably easiest to retain $2mm per and trade him. You’d get an asset for the pro rated $6mm in cap space you sold and free up $4.65mm to spend on better players.

Ask Minnesota fans this.

Boeser at $4.65mm for a 2023 2nd round pick. Gets them a middle six forward on a reasonable AAV and term. Y’all get an asset of value and some cap space for the next two offseasons.

The first thing Vancouver needs to do is forget the notion they can trade Boeser at $6.65mm cap hit for any value. The value in trading Boeser is entirely tied up in removing his future term from your cap.

I agree 100% but I suspect Vancouver would be more interested in taking back a bad $2M~ cap dump opposed to retaining. We’ll see what ends up happening.

 

[Mister Ed]

He is having a decent year, But clearly canucks want cap to spend elsewhere.

I think a 2nd rounder would get it done with no retention

I think a team like Detroit could take a shot at him. They have cap space and a spare 2023 2nd rounder (STL). Set him up with a defensively responsible center like Copp or Rasmussen and he could flirt with 30 goals again.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

What you very clearly don’t understand is the salary cap and its existence. But it’s a real thing. Lucic is awful, but this awful contract ends in a few months.

Boeser also has a bad contract. He’s not as bad a player as Lucic but he’s got a bad contract and it lasts until the summer of 2025.

What’s worse. To overpay Lucic for a few more months and then have the cap space to spend smarter. Or to overpay Boeser for three more seasons?

With bad contracts, the more valuable asset is the short contract. You’re stuck on comparing players here for some misguided reason. With bad contracts like Lucic and Boeser. You compare AAV and term.

Calgarys GM would be an idiot to consider a Boeser for Lucic swap. He gets out of the Lucic mistake in June. The mistake of giving boeser $6.65mm per isn’t one that ends for another 3 seasons.

Stop talking about Lucic. It’s an awful idea.

Boeser… about 1-1.5 mil over paid.

Lucic… Completely useless.

It’s not just “bad contract and bad contract and one ends sooner”. It’s on a spectrum and Boeser still has value and brings something on the ice.

Either way, pretending you’re right, getting 3rd rounder, even 5th rounder, *any pick would be infinitely better than Lucic. (Who it should also be noted is still despised by Van fans.)

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

At this point in time. I think any hockey fans, not team fans see what vancouver has to do.

They need to jettison some bad contracts or seemingly bad contracts.

I don't believe Boeser has the negative value some do. But I believe if they take back a comparable short term contract like Lucic, Johnson etc with a shorter term. It makes more sense than just trading Boeser to trade him. They can retain value by taking a bad contract AND get out from that 2nd and or 3rd year of Boesers contract.

I'd suggest the same with Myers. Hell Miller too if someone wants him. All three players would have value to another team but their cap hits make them potentially unpalatable to trade.

for the Canucks to actually progress in to the future it means keeping a smart core of youth in their 25 and under players. It means making hard decisions like trading their most tradable assets in horvat, kuzmenko and schenn. It means taking back shorter term contracts like Lucic, Johnson etc to maximize value and free up cap space earlier.

The writing is on the wall for the Canucks and they can be smart and field that deeper competitive team in 2-3 years of smart asset management and cap use. Or they can do what they've done since 2012/2013 and keep hoping that having no depth, prospects or assets and trading early round picks for other teams unwanted prospects or youth players somehow pans out.

Trading Boeser for expiring terrible contracts makes zero sense.

May as well just take late picks. Get the cap space this year, which could be weaponized at the deadline and get some sort of futures.

Everyone in this thread needs to stop with Boeser for cap dumps. Take a 5th rounder before such nonsense.

 

[McJedi]

Stop talking about Lucic. It’s an awful idea.

Boeser… about 1-1.5 mil over paid.

Lucic… Completely useless.

It’s not just “bad contract and bad contract and one ends sooner”. It’s on a spectrum and Boeser still has value and brings something on the ice.

Either way, pretending you’re right, getting 3rd rounder, even 5th rounder, *any pick would be infinitely better than Lucic. (Who it should also be noted is still despised by Van fans.)

Boeser didn’t bring much to the ice as a $6.65mm healthy scratch last night. I liked the convenient excuse of an illness but dude was getting scratched last week and saved only by a late injury to a 4th liner.

You could cut Boeser today and he’d sail right thru waivers unclaimed so why in the heck do you think he’d fetch a 3rd or even a 5th. Unless Vancouver retains or adds picks, Boeser isn’t getting traded. I agree Lucic for Boeser is an awful idea. Awful for Calgary.

Your GM is an idiot for giving Boeser the deal he got this summer. Boeser has an amazing agent too. Lots of Vancouver fans seemed happy with the extension when announced last summer and I found that odd. But makes more sense now because y’all have no sense of Boeser’s value or lack there of under the terms of his current contract.

I’d rather have the useless player that won’t be on my non-playoff level team next year than the overpaid player that will.

If it makes you feel better, Replace Lucic with Drouin and the Habs still don’t make that trade either. The always injured Drouin is worth more than Boeser because Drouin won’t be the Habs problem next year. But Boeser will still be yours.