Friedman: Canucks give Brock Boeser's agent the permission to speak with other teams

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Horvat is not staying in vancouver. I can't see any possible world in which this team retains him and or Kuzmenko. It is literally not possible.
How is it “literally not possible”? Right now, they have just under $12M in capspace and that’s not including the expected $4-5M cap increase. If they can move Boeser/Garland and Myers/Pearson in the last years of their deals they can make it work. The question is, does it make sense to retain Bo at his likely ask?
 

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Lucic has a contract that expires this summer. Boeser doesn’t. How can y’all be so out of touch with the reality of term contracts being problematic for overpaid players like Boeser. Do any of you realize the league has a salary cap and will have a salary cap again next season.
He is producing and being paid like a second line player. Had a tough start and is doing better.
 

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He is producing and being paid like a second line player. Had a tough start and is doing better.
He was to be a healthy scratch like four days ago. Told the media he needs to play better this week. His coach said the same.

He’s going to have to play well for about the next 50 games before he’s worth that AAV of his.
 

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I suspect Edmonton puts Barrie and Campbell in this deal.

Just five bad contracts getting swapped for one another.

Allows Vancouver to trade the valuable Demko for rebuild purposes.
We can take Barrie to make Cap work. Campbell is a hard no. His value is less than OEL.
 

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How is it “literally not possible”? Right now, they have just under $12M in capspace and that’s not including the expected $4-5M cap increase. If they can move Boeser/Garland and Myers/Pearson in the last years of their deals they can make it work. The question is, does it make sense to retain Bo at his likely ask?
Lemme rephrase that.

There is literally no way they can keep Horvat/Kuzmenko and still field a credible or qualified team. Here's some quick estimates on just retaining the team they have now. That's just the on ice product they have at this moment with moderate retention/increases in play based on production. This is give or take a half million

Let's say the cap does go up. Without ANY bonus overages, the Canucks will start next season with a maximum of $12.93 million. Maximum bonus overages shows the Canucks starting with a maximum of $10.93 million.

Let's play conservatively here and say that the Canuck's cap space will be $11 million

Their expiring RFAs are: Hoglander, Lockwood, Dermott and Bear.
Hoglander should potentially get $2 million, a 1 million increase, that's now 10 million.
Dermott when he played was solid and will probably get a small bump to 2 million, meaning 9.5 million left. Lockwood must be kept. Let's say he gets a 2-3 year extension to $1.25 million, that's 9 million.
Ethan Bear...can't say enough good things about him right now and they absolutely can not lose him which means he's getting a bump to $3 million 7.8 million left

7.8 million million left,

Expiring UFAs are: Horvat, Schenn, Kuzmemko, Lockwood.
Schenn is a leader, a warrior and worth every single penny he gets. Let's say they keep him for 2-3 years at $1.25 million as well, 7.45 million left.
Burroughs? They need RHD so badly he's kind of essential now and has played his way in to an increase at 18 mins a night average.
Kuzmenko right now is playing like a first line winger and will IF retained be worth league minimum for a ppg winger to $7 million. 1.45 million left.
Horvat has essentially played himself in to a comparable $8 million contract with Miller. That's a $2.5 million increase. -1 million left.

They have not addressed the issues we have on the blue line at all. They have not increased our depth at all or have anything on the bottom 6 that is worth being called a quality 3c that can take defensive minutes. Or larger checking wingers for the 3rd line either.

So IF they can move x, y or z they still have not improved their team at all. Have no depth to speak or, or prospects at all and are already most likely tight to the cap due to the inevitability of taking back a bad contract or two in trading Boeser/Myers at a minimum. Finding a .75 ppg winger and a stable healthy top 4 rhd (sucks but on the Nucks Myers is a top 4) in free agency while every team in the league is looking for the same is just not going to happen.

So yes, I guess in theory they can somehow maintain the status quo by somehow managing to clear the space to retain Kuzmenko and Horvat but then what?
 
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We can take Barrie to make Cap work. Campbell is a hard no. His value is less than OEL.
I’d tend to agree. The worst contacts in order are. Nurse, OEL, Campbell, Boeser and finally… Barrie. Barrie only being the least bad deal because it ends after next season while the others have longer terms.

They are all bad contracts. Suspect the Oil include another deal that is a bad one but not as bad as Campbell.

This would be such a funny trade.

Nurse, Barrie and let’s say…. Ceci + 2nd rounder.. for OEL, Boeser and Schenn. The 2nd is for Schenn. He’s a nice trade chip IMO. Maybe worth more actually.
 

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Horvat is not staying in vancouver. I can't see any possible world in which this team retains him and or Kuzmenko. It is literally not possible.
In the event they don't retain Horvat or Kuzmenko they don't need to move Boeser. A smart team keeps those 2 well ahead of Boeser though.

I’d tend to agree. The worst contacts in order are. Nurse, OEL, Campbell, Boeser and finally… Barrie. Barrie only being the least bad deal because it ends after next season while the others have longer terms.

They are all bad contracts. Suspect the Oil include another deal that is a bad one but not as bad as Campbell.

This would be such a funny trade.

Nurse, Barrie and let’s say…. Ceci + 2nd rounder.. for OEL, Boeser and Schenn. The 2nd is for Schenn. He’s a nice trade chip IMO. Maybe worth more actually.
I actually don't think the Barrie deal is bad. Just bad for the Oilers. They need D who can defend and have plenty of offense and their PP doesn't need help. Barrie could have some value to the right team.
 

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In the event they don't retain Horvat or Kuzmenko they don't need to move Boeser. A smart team keeps those 2 well ahead of Boeser though.
The issue is' Boeser has checked out of vancouver. Losing Horvat means losing Boeser regardless. Losing Kuzmenko means Boeser slides back in to that top winger spot but also means keeping an unhappy asset which is like keeping a flat tire. Neither make sense for the same reason
 

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I’d tend to agree. The worst contacts in order are. Nurse, OEL, Campbell, Boeser and finally… Barrie. Barrie only being the least bad deal because it ends after next season while the others have longer terms.

They are all bad contracts. Suspect the Oil include another deal that is a bad one but not as bad as Campbell.

This would be such a funny trade.

Nurse, Barrie and let’s say…. Ceci + 2nd rounder.. for OEL, Boeser and Schenn. The 2nd is for Schenn. He’s a nice trade chip IMO. Maybe worth more actually.
I don't see Schenn and Ceci as part of this

Nurses contract is worse than OEL and Barries is worse than Boeser. Barrie ending 2 years sooner than Boeser, but Nurse ending 3 years after OEL.
 

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Lucic has a contract that expires this summer. Boeser doesn’t. How can y’all be so out of touch with the reality of term contracts being problematic for overpaid players like Boeser. Do any of you realize the league has a salary cap and will have a salary cap again next season.
Boeser is fairly paid in line with his offensive production, why’s that so hard to grasp. His QO is the problem area
 
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Lucic for Boeser and a 2nd would be my best offer. It's actually an overpay despite it not looking that way at first glance. We will need that 2nd to move him in the offseason and will likely have to add another 2nd to it. So basically we'd be paying a 2nd to rent Boeser for this season.

Boeser does produce offense at a 2nd line rate, but he defends like a 4th line AHLer. Calgary is one of the few teams with enough 2 way forwards to shelter him.
Judging by the standings, those 2 way forward are sure struggling to keep Calgary in the playoffs

Boeser for 1st, 2nd and prospect. Looks like you need him in a bad way
 

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Boeser is fairly paid in line with his offensive production, why’s that so hard to grasp. His QO is the problem area

I think the contention is that not everyone looks at only production, some people watch the players play too.
 

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I think the contention is that not everyone looks at only production, some people watch the players play too.
If his defensive play was better, he wouldn’t be a $6 million player. It’s the 7.5 QO that’s an issue, he isn’t worth that
 

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Detroit doesn't really need another winger. Need a better 2C or 3rd pairing Defensemen to take Oesterle out and pair them with Walman.
I’m actually surprised how good Oesterle has been. Hagg was ok but hasn’t seen the ice since Oesterle came in. It’s the best he’s ever played.

Walman too. He’s strong on the puck, has a nice shot and takes it every chance he gets, been pretty strong down low. Does get himself caught some but that pairing has actually been better than expected.

Can they keep it up is the question. With all the D Detroit has coming, it’s probably only this year to worry about but yea, I’m surprised how good they’ve been.
 

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This feels like the right solution to me and have been almost waiting for it to be announced.

Highly doubt it unless Vancouver is retaining a healthy amount of his cap hit.

If his defensive play was better, he wouldn’t be a $6 million player. It’s the 7.5 QO that’s an issue, he isn’t worth that

I don't think anyone actually cares about his defense. He has other, far more pressing issues in his game.
 

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So take your L on trading the bad Boeser contract and do exactly that with the clearly better player in Horvat.

What isn’t available to Vancouver and it’s really obvious to non Vancouver homers. That Vancouver can get value out of dumping Boeser, Myers, Garland or OEL on other teams. Those teams won’t be giving Vancouver any value to take on those contracts without sweeteners of some sort departing Vancouver. Or y’all taking on a bad contract in return. No team is trading picks to waste so much cap space on these players.
Boeser and Garland do not have negative value. Myers and OEL? That's a different story.
 
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I’m actually surprised how good Oesterle has been. Hagg was ok but hasn’t seen the ice since Oesterle came in. It’s the best he’s ever played.

Walman too. He’s strong on the puck, has a nice shot and takes it every chance he gets, been pretty strong down low. Does get himself caught some but that pairing has actually been better than expected.

Can they keep it up is the question. With all the D Detroit has coming, it’s probably only this year to worry about but yea, I’m surprised how good they’ve been.
I have been happy with oesterle's play as well, but I am pretty sure pysyk was going to get oesterle/lindstrom cut and take that position. If Oesterle can keep this pace and these numbers, than there is no reason to get rid of him, but I guess time will tell.
 

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He was to be a healthy scratch like four days ago. Told the media he needs to play better this week. His coach said the same.

He’s going to have to play well for about the next 50 games before he’s worth that AAV of his.
He wasn’t a health scratch, he does need to ply better and he is still in scoring at a second line rate.
 

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I don’t get it, what is his agent going to talk about with the other teams? Isn’t Boeser signed for two more years? Shouldn’t the GM be the one talking to other teams? What am I missing here?
Because the agent and the team have decided it's not a fit in Vancouver. The agent is now allowed to go and see where he thinks a fit could be. It's not the GM's job to see if his player will fit in elsewhere it's his job to see what he can get in return. The agent isn't negotiating a trade they are simply looking into what place is best for their player
 

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How is it “literally not possible”? Right now, they have just under $12M in capspace and that’s not including the expected $4-5M cap increase. If they can move Boeser/Garland and Myers/Pearson in the last years of their deals they can make it work. The question is, does it make sense to retain Bo at his likely ask?
What does his next contract have to do with retaining on him for the remainder of the year. Retention doesn't carry over to new contracts and you can't retain on a contract that hasn't started yet
 

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Canucks need to retool completely around 3-4 main players (Pettersson, Hughes, Demko) and move on. Enough with the rebuild on the fly nonsense, they dont have the management or scouting team to pull it off.
 
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It's what happens when the GM has tried to trade the player and there's no interest outside of significant sweetners combined with cap dumps. Canuck fans don't like hearing this, but it's a fact.
Pretty sure most Canucks fans know boeser has little to no value in a trade
 

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