Proposal: Canucks Firesale
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canuckslover10
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so basically eriksonn edler hansen miller the pieces that have some value the others will get you barely anything and not to mention these guys have nmc and ntc
Canucks are in a bad place, man.
What would the Sedins even get at this point. When you factor in term and cap hit vs production...
There are just too many gaps in the ages of prospects and then you look at the decline of the veterans...
And the scary thing is that the GM seems to have no clue.
And with the expansion teams coming in and the lottery rules, tanking isn't even guaranteed to do anything.
What would the Sedins even get at this point. When you factor in term and cap hit vs production...
There are just too many gaps in the ages of prospects and then you look at the decline of the veterans...
And the scary thing is that the GM seems to have no clue.
And with the expansion teams coming in and the lottery rules, tanking isn't even guaranteed to do anything.
VanTampaFan
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Dark days for our team. Good to know that Benning has traded away picks like they are nothing the past couple of years. Time to contend! 
Honestly at this point, no one would be untouchable. Markstrom can totally go, just resign miller to a one year gap for demko to get ready
If someone gives me a slightly lesser prospect + a 1st for Horvat, i'd do that
It's time to trade what high value assets we have (Horvat, Virtanen, maybe even Boeser) to get more assets. Canucks have hit home runs with undrafted people (Tanev, Burrows)
Lose for a few seasons get a high draft pick (if the lottery doesn't screw us) and then build from that player
As much as the sedins have done for us in their careers and as much as I love them, they can not be resigned, Canucks need to let them walk wherever they want, because as long as they're on the team you can't build around a player, say Horvat for example if we keep him
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No thanks.
Edler also is unlikely to waive for EDM.
Also to the OP. I wouldn't consider Markstrom, Hutton or Virtanen as untouchable, they're not that good that they should be untouchables. If good value is offered, I'd move them. Although Virtanen's trade value has fallen too much to make it worth dealing him.
fire sale =/= scraps for decent players. Yakimov fled to the KHL because he couldn't make an Oilers team lacking depth. This is essentially a 2nd and 4th for Edler.
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Would be good for canucks but as seen last year with Hamhuis, owners hate each other and both seem to meddle in their teams out of spite/honour
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If it was me I'd also be open to inquiries on Markstrom, some teams looking for goalies have budget constraints and the fact he has a cheap cap hit this year makes him more desirable. Demko should be the goalie of the future and it isn't all that hard to find a good goalie in the off-season, it's just mid-season that acquiring one seems to be harder to do. Van also isn't likely to be a good team for a while and taking on reclamation project goalies like e.g. Jacob Markstrom, Steve Mason, or Sergei Bobrovsky is a way to take a low value asset and turn it into a higher value asset. Whereas teams who intend to win in the immediate future are much less likely to take a risk on a project goalie as they tend to go just for steady and dependable back-ups.
I'd also consider shopping Virtanen, he seems like one of those cases of a prospect who has a decent chance at busting, sometimes it is better to trade them quickly while they still have some of that draft potential following them around. For example as an Oiler fan there were specific moments in time where we could of made a killing off trading either of Yakupov or Gagner (right off their rookie seasons in particular), but we waited too long and got next to nothing when they were eventually traded; whereas Paajarvi was traded sooner while still being reasonably well thought of for a fairly decent return.
I might also add Gudbransson to the keep list, not cause he is some special indispensable piece, just cause he is the type to stick up for his teammates and will help protect your young guys and seems to have the character to assume a bit of a leadership role.
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The problem with this untouchable list, is that most of these pieces are the only ones with real value.
I'm not opposed to a Canucks fire sale, but I think there's a smart way to go about it.
For our future core, what appears to be our future strengths, weaknesses, and things that can be converted to strengths?
For me, the answer is as follows:
1) Strength = goaltending.
2) Weakness = offense
3) Things that can be converted to strengths = defense and depth down the middle.
1) Goaltending should be a weapon long term: With Markstrom and Demko, the Canucks should be set in net for the long term. If Demko needs more time to develop, I think Miller can easily be re-signed to a 1-2 year deal as a back-up for less money, as I don't think he'll land a starting gig anywhere else.
2) Focus on acquiring/drafting solid Two-Way Centers to make up for an anemic offense: Even with a hypothetical Nolan Patrick drafting, our offense will likely have issues in the future. Relative to our competitors (Edmonton, Winnipeg, Calgary, etc.), I don't think Vancouver's offense will be comparable to those teams.
Instead of tanking, hoping, and praying that we draft the next heir apparent to Henrik, I think the Canucks should try and trade for a Bo Horvat clone (i.e. similar style of play, age, etc.). Acquiring said piece will be difficult, but it's doable. Once you acquire said Horvat clone, be done with forwards. Start hyper-targeting/drafting quality defensemen aggressively.
With 2 Horvats, Sutter, and Gaunce as your centermen, the Canucks won't exactly be confused with Sakic-Forsberg or Crosby-Malkin, but what they'll have is 4 lines composed of very solid two-way centers that will anchor lines that will be tough to score on, and that has the potential to score on turnovers.
3) Focus on acquiring young high quality defensemen: Strangely enough, the Canucks have actually had a decent record post 2015 playoffs when their defense has been at or close to being healthy. The Canucks however, tend to fall off a cliff when they get 1-2 key injuries back there.
My recommendation is this. Find ways to acquire more QUALITY defensemen (read - Sbisa is not a quality defenseman), even if you're technically overpaying your 5th and 6th defensemen. As Canuck fans know, injuries are inevitable and so these 5th/6th defensemen would likely see large stretches of Top 4 ice-time anyways.
Conclusion:
1) Moving forward, the Canucks should adopt a modern day version of the New Jersey Devils/Nashville Predator style approach to their style. With Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Calgary threatening to become offensive power houses, it might beehove Vancouver to focus on acquiring/drafting smart two-way centers that have the ability to contain elite forwards. Vancouver should also over-invest on defense.
2) Trade bait: Boeser, 2017 1st rounder, Virtanen, Hansen, Edler, Stetcher, Rodin,Tryamkin, and the Sedin twins should be used to increase depth down the middle (i.e. acquiring another "Bo Horvat clone,"), and/or increase depth and quality on defense (i.e. Juolevi and Gudbranson should be on the 3rd pairing at some point, Hutton and Tanev compose of the 2nd pairing), while two new defensemen become the Canucks' top pairing. In the future, if we see more situations like Tyson Barrie, Hampus Lindholm, or Jacob Trouba, the Canucks should offer any combination of Boeser, 2017 1st, Edler, Hansen, Stetcher, Sedin twins, etc., to try and acquire said pieces. All players being acquired should be within the 20-23 age range (maybe 24).
Canucks roster moving forward at some point
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[very good two-way depth down the middle. Each line will be tough to score on, and will have the capability of scoring on turnovers under the right "defense-first" system. Unfortunately, one opportunity cost of over-investing on defense will be in being forced to use PTO/Waivers/Fringe UFA players to play on the wings, but if the name of the game is playing 'defense first', then I think this strategy is acceptable. Some of these PTO wingers can be guys with size and truculence. Once depth down the middle and defense is taken care, you can slowly start shifting drafting/scouting/whatever to wingers].
NewDefenseMan-NewDefenseMan
Hutton-Tanev
Juolevi-Gudbranson
[Deep defense that can remain quite solid even with inevitable injuries. Two way centers will support deep defense, and the combination of two-way centers and deep defense will complement our solid goaltending].
Markstrom
Miller/Demko
[One of Markstrom or Demko will likely be a very good goalie for us for the long term. It's unlikely that neither one pans out. Canucks should be set in net for awhile.]
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Addison Rae
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vancouvers future isn't as bleak as many think it is, heck i think it could be altered relatively quickly. vancouver simply needs to hire a competent management staff who understands the direction the team needs to go in. vancouver has some nice pieces in horvat, juolevi, boeser, demko etc if they're able to change their approach and finally commit to a rebuild with a bright management team and bottom out for the next 3/4 years while also moving roster players for future based assets than i think they'll be okay.
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But it's too much fun
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Obviously the leafs could use tanev. After this year I would have some interest in gudbranson depending on price and if him and martin can get along lol. I look at him as a younger better polak .. just not sure what he is worth?
Demko ready in a year? That sounds like Benning logic. Let him play well in the AHL first to see what kind of player he is. So far he is off to a rough start.
As shown by what it would cost to acquire him (a good young prospect and a early 2nd) less than 6 months ago, plus the likely cost to keep him (4-5m a year) I would have no interest in Gudbranson.
I would love Tanev as he would give us a legit top 4 finally. But, I don't see a great between the 2 teams.
At the end of the day, Van needs to go full rebuild but its unclear if the Sedin's will let them, and even if they would, would Aquellini sign off? They look like a 30th place team right now, I don't know how they can even sell they are trying to compete. They have some interesting young pieces to try to build a core around Horvat, Boeser, Juolevi, and Demko, but they should be trying to add picks and trade vets.
Tanev and Hutton to Toronto for an unprotected 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and Jeremy Bracco.
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That's a pretty weak core relative to their competition coming up in the Pacific.
The Oilers have McDavid, Drai, Nurse, Nuge, Pulju, Larsson, Klefbom
The Coyotes have Domi, Ekman-Larsson, Duclair, Chychrun, Dvorak, Crouse, Strome, Keller
The Flames have Monahan, Brodie, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Hamilton
Those are just the other non-Cali teams and hardly an exhaustive lists of players/prospects on those teams.
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