Speculation: Canucks Elias Pettersson on the move? Nucks GM speaks out

[ToDavid]

Miller's been dominant in the playoffs. EP looks like his numbers were pulled from a Leafs statbook. Anyone with a brain knows which one is a better winner

His best playoff run was the year he was… tied with EP in playoff scoring.

So despite half a career of playoff mediocrity before coming to Vancouver, Miller is a “better winner” because he outperformed EP in one post season?

 

[ryan callahan]

I'd rather be with the guy who has what it takes to win

Oh. So the guy who has won a professionnal championship before? Miller has been in the league for a decade and hasn't won jack****.

 

[toddkaz]

Nah, not a bad offer. Habs can offer something without the Islanders then.

* Habs 1st (8-15 range)
* Flames/Panthers 1st (10-20 range)
* Dach, Newhook, Matheson. 3 quality NHL pieces the Canucks can use no doubt. Helps their center depth and also adds a D man they are looking for.

If the Canucks prefer Barzal (hometown boy) and a "small add", all the power to them. I suspect they ask for your 1st or something much larger than a small add.

But then other teams just beat that lousy offer. You know its gonna be 3-4 teams going after EP right?

 

[impaaaaaact]

I changed it bud and you already replied to the offer direct to the Canucks. Did you miss that part? Dach, Newhook, Matheson help keep the Cancuks competitive while they get two serious 1st rounders on top. Sorry, this is not some small offer but keep trying.

Habs don't need the Islanders to make a competitive offer to the Canucks. If the Canucks like Barzal and want to use him as a full time center, that is their choice to make. All the Habs can do is make an offer and the one I posted is not garbage or a misfit offer.

Great for the Canucks. They can go into the playoffs with one or Aatu Raty or Kirby Dach as their #2 center. Certified recipe for success, you’re twisting their arm

 

[GirardSpinorama]

He would be good under a coach like Bednar

Love EP's talent and stylistic fit but Mack hates players who dont commit to hockey 24/7.

 

[Habs Halifax]

But then other teams just beat that lousy offer. You know its gonna be 3-4 teams going after EP right?

Don't agree it's a lousy offer. Sorry.

I do agree several teams will be in on EP and maybe more than 3-4 teams. However, I don't see many 1/1 situations. Barzal is possible due to being a BC boy. The other offer we have seen was Cozens and Byram.

What other 1/1 deals or 2/1 deals do you see? I see a lot of teams offering 3+ for 1 type offers (like it or not)

 

[ryan callahan]

Miller is a better winner because he has a deeper voice. Got it.

 

[JKG33]

His best playoff run was the year he was… tied with EP in playoff scoring.

So despite half a career of playoff mediocrity before coming to Vancouver, Miller is a “better winner” because he outperformed EP in one post season?

Several years ago when EP legitimately looked like he'd be something special, vs now, are two completely different players.

So yes, Miller is way better than the turd EP has become

 

[Habs Halifax]

Great for the Canucks. They can go into the playoffs with one or Aatu Raty or Kirby Dach as their #2 center. Certified recipe for success, you’re twisting their arm

Canucks are making the playoffs? Maybe. It's very possible both the Canucks and Islanders miss the playoffs. Regardless, you missed the part where the Habs offer is after this season and after the draft lottery. If you want to offer Barzal now, go ahead. Habs can't offer any 1st until we see the draft lottery.

 

[JKG33]

Oh. So the guy who has won a professionnal championship before? Miller has been in the league for a decade and hasn't won jack****.

I mean if we're counting beer league.. sorry I mean Europe, as pro, we might as well count Miller's jr gold medals too

Miller is a better winner because he has a deeper voice. Got it.

Or could look at several seasons of Miller outplaying EP but sure

 

[ryan callahan]

I mean if we're counting beer league.. sorry I mean Europe, as pro, we might as well count Miller's jr gold medals too

A full season championship EP won as the best player on his team. Yes. Against a short 6-8 game junior tournament. Stop embarassing yourself.

 

[Diamonddog01]

But then other teams just beat that lousy offer. You know its gonna be 3-4 teams going after EP right?

Indeed. Most of these offers are trash lol. I know Vancouver won't win an EP trade but they won't be getting absolutely bent over either.

 

[JKG33]

A full season championship EP won as the best player on his team. Yes. Against a short 6-8 game junior tournament. Stop embarassing yourself.

A full season of minor leagues. You're the one embarrassing yourself if you think that's legitimately comparable to NHL

 

[ryan callahan]

A full season of minor leagues. You're the one embarrassing yourself if you think that's legitimately comparable to NHL

Oh yes, the NHL. The league where a team, immediately after dumping Miller, won two SCs in a row.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Canucks are making the playoffs? Maybe. It's very possible both the Canucks and Islanders miss the playoffs. Regardless, you missed the part where the Habs offer is after this season and after the draft lottery. If you want to offer Barzal now, go ahead. Habs can't offer any 1st until we see the draft lottery.

Oh the islanders are definitely missing the playoffs. And I don’t want to offer Barzal. But putting him up is more realistic than the NHL 25 offer you made where you keep adding a million pieces with “top 6 potential” that end up somehow equaling an all star. Who knows, maybe you’re right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[JKG33]

Oh yes, the NHL. The league where a team, immediately after dumping Miller, won two SCs in a row.

Almost like the salary cap is a thing.

Take Miller off the Canucks they might not even make the playoffs last year, let alone win a round. Take EP off and they could find a much better use of that cap space

 

[ryan callahan]

Almost like the salary cap is a thing.

Take Miller off the Canucks they might not even make the playoffs last year, let alone win a round. Take EP off and they could find a much better use of that cap space

We've definitely seen the Canucks have great success since EP has been out lmao.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oh the islanders are definitely missing the playoffs. And I don’t want to offer Barzal. But putting him up is more realistic than the NHL 25 offer you made where you keep adding a million pieces with “top 6 potential” that end up somehow equaling an all star. Who knows, maybe you’re right and everyone else is wrong.

Not a million pieces. 3 solid NHL players with two very valuable 1st rounders. Helps the Canucks now and in the future. Exaggeration to prove weak points is annoying. You're playing the belittle game now and spins.

Have a nice day. Our conversation is over because your focus is not genuine.

 

[JKG33]

We've definitely seen the Canucks have great success since EP has been out lmao.

I mean yea no shit when they can't just go and add $11.5m when he'll eventually be back

 

[Snuggs]

I mean yea no shit when they can't just go and add $11.5m when he'll eventually be back

You do act like it's for sure given that 11.5 million is or will be spent wisely. (If they moved on from Elias Pettersson).

I mean we can look all over the league and see a total of 11.5 million spent worse between 3-4 players than on one player like Pettersson at the moment.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Indeed. Most of these offers are trash lol. I know Vancouver won't win an EP trade but they won't be getting absolutely bent over either.

Context is important. This reeks of PK subban round 2. Looming NMC that kicks in July 1st and this time around, the NMC stays after the trade (CBA changed those rules). That's a very large contract to take on with lots of signing bonus structure most owners hate. It has to make sense from both sides and sometimes, that is difficult to sort out.

Not many teams will offer a Suzuki or Thomas type 1/1 deal. You have to see it from both angles. Who's going to trade a center 1/1 they developed and who is close to the same age and at a much less cap hit? Best 1/1 or 2/1 offers we have talked about are Barzal and Cozens/Byram so far. Lets see what else it out there because I myself is curious.

I see many teams offering package deals. There will be more package deals (3+ for 1) vs the 1/1 or 2/1 offers. Personally, I'd like to see fans spend their energy finding out the differences in the 1/1 or 2/1 vs the 3+ for 1 potential offers. That's why were are here right? Or are some here to just play the belittle game?

 

[JKG33]

You do act like it's for sure given that 11.5 million is or will be spent wisely.

I mean it's hard to find worse realistic value for that $11m than what they're currently getting out of EP.

But I can guarantee that whatever Miller's $8m is replaced with is an immediate and massive downgrade. He's simply one of the best values in the league

 

[impaaaaaact]

Not a million pieces. 3 solid NHL players with two very valuable 1st rounders. Helps the Canucks now and in the future. Exaggeration to prove weak points is annoying. You're playing the belittle game now and spins.

Have a nice day. Our conversation is over because your focus is not genuine.

 

[3074326]

Petey has been underwhelming to say the least and that's 100% on him. If he's not giving his best because another player is harsh with him, that's immature, unprofessional and still 100% on him.

Life isn’t that simple.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The time for good context was about 5 posts ago. You showed me your character with your spins and exaggeration skills so I have moved on. Sorry bud.