Post-Game Talk: Canucks defeat Senators | 4-3 (DeBrusk(2), Blueger, & Sherwood) | CHIEF KIEF

[Breakers]

I still can’t get over that Soucy interference

Easily the most blatent interference I have ever seen

He knocks the net off the interference is so blatent and the refs let the play continue and they score 15 seconds later

I thought he was gonna punch the ref

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Hronek has played solid hockey quietly, filled in nicely in Hughes absence and picked up 2 assists. Has been great in all 3 zones.

Hronek leads the Canucks with a +12 rating, Sherwood is 2nd at +5, Juulsen team worst -6 in just 8gp lol.

 

[Hoglander]

I still can’t get over that Soucy interference

Easily the most blatent interference I have ever seen

He knocks the net off the interference is so blatent and the refs let the play continue and they score 15 seconds later

I thought he was gonna punch the ref

Just before that, Soucy was tripped skate on skate, preventing him from getting to the loose puck. Ottawa gets possession because of it, and then the ridiculous interference followed by the eventual goal.

So incompetent, it makes ME want to punch the refs.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I was impressed that the Canucks kicked it up a notch when their captain, and best player, was tossed out of the game.

Instead of imploding, they kept resilient, and stuck to the game plan..good win.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

DeBrusk great game! Sasson with a good NHL debut.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Remember how a not insignificant portion of those same people dreamt of dealing him for Tkachuk because he's such a leader ('cuz he punchez stuff').

I like the Senators in general, but they are very prone to playing like an entitled, petulant, bully team with zero details. It must be ludicrously easy for a team with maturity and a system it trusts to decimate them piece by piece and watch them tantrum and ruin themselves and it feels like it's them taking on Tkachuk's persona.

Now, I'm not arguing he doesn't care. Nor am I arguing that he'll never figure it out. I suspect he'll get out of there, or they'll mature as a team and he'll have a J.T. Miller arc. But what he was showing wasn't really leadership, it was more like a bully having a tantrum.

reminds me of his dad back in the day. when he first came up and we faced him in the playoffs he looked like he had limitless potential as a future power forward with lethal motor.

but then when winnipeg/phoenix built around him as their leader, made him captain at like 21, chose him as the dude over selanne, that set the foundation for a pissy immature and ultimately me first team where established vets, including our coach, went to take late-career two year resort vacations.

look at roenick, unhinged warrior everywhere he ever went other than phoenix, where he wore flip flops and bermuda shorts everyday and was golfing by the time the second round started. look at tverdovsky, whose holdout tkachuk openly cheerleaded in the press, leading eventually to the khabibulin saga. those teams always had decent talent, even in the context of the mid-to-late 90s western conference arms races, but they took on daddy tkachuk’s personality and there was no there there.

licked my chops everytime we faced a keith tkachuk team. it always starts off with him puffing out his chest but you apply a little resistance and he starts taking dumb penalties and disappearing.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

 

[sting101]

Watched the game this morning a few thoughts

Good effort overall and resilient especially without our best player

Don't have an issue with Hughes getting tossed. It was a bit reckless above the waist and early in the season. The league has to protect players. In saying that the Hoglander call and lack of a call on a obvious and blatant interference on Soucy is disgusting and obvious game management. The NHL should be ashamed and the 2 refs should be held accountable

Top line was fantastic. Nice to see EP40 getting settled down and playing his game.
Debrusk is such a wildly polarizing player. He looks like a unengaged meathead for 4-5 games and then a fast power forward stud for 4-5. It's no surprise as that's exactly as he's been in Boston. The reason i was pro Debrusk is because he has been able to channel it at the right times. He knows it too hence why he siad earlier this year "it's what i do". Loved that confidence.
Sherwood has to be the best bang for buck that isnt on a ELC right now. Dragging players into the fight physical and a scoring force what a player right now

So nice to see Joshua and Garland back re united. These 2 are just a perfect fit and Joshua is starting to find his game and legs. His strength on the puck and smart quality passing combination with an ability to get inside is huge for this team. Offence will come.
Garland like Sherwood is all out effort every game and is driving play like no other up front.

Gotta give Hronek huge props for his start. Always a little maddening in some of his decisions (pass and shot timing mostly) but he's been wildly effective overall in huge minutes. Is having an excellent season

So happy for Max Sasson and his family. Has a Blueger like path if he can keep improving. Smart two way guy with really good wheels.

Feel bad for Hoglander. Really struggling right now to find cohesion in his play. Hope that fight puts some attitude into his play. Ultimately his best role will be as a 3rd wheel energy guy somewhere in the top9. If he can learn from Sherwood and Garland bring the effort more consistently plus have attitude/agitating qualities that would go a long way to seeing more looks to score.

 

[Hansen]

Just watched the replay and cant believe the refs foisted a comeback on the Sens late, Stutzle should have gotten a penalty for boarding on Hoglander, absolute joke of a run around late by the Sens. Soucy interference non call.

Cant believe we spent nearly 6M on D signings this offseason (not counting Hronek) and absolute shit to show for it between Myers, Desharnais, and Forbort.

Sherwood is a beast.

Hronek really stepped up with Hughes gone

Its also wild how Tkachuk is allowed to throw tantrums and take guys to the box with him

great win aside, Hronek's refusal? inability? to shoot is extremely frustrating. It used to be a weapon and he had so many opportunities to shoot last night, especially with us missing our 3 main shooters!

I think Hronek must have a lingering shoulder issue from last year leaving him hesitant to shoot

 

[WTG]

Geez Hoglander is playing fine, he’s taking some dumb penalties but he’s got more hustle than half the team, if he gets hot he’s gonna pot goals because of how many opportunities he creates. I love the guy I feel like he’s gonna be the one who gets traded but I don’t see any reason to be throwing him under the bus

The Hoglander hate I just don’t understand. I guess the team needs a whipping boy but he’s honestly fine. Just snakebitten.

 

[NailsHoglander]

The Hoglander hate I just don’t understand. I guess the team needs a whipping boy but he’s honestly fine. Just snakebitten.

His struggles all stem from poor defensive play but he's only 23 and a work in progress. The coaches are hard on him because they're trying to make a responsible top 6 player out of him and it's hurt his confidence offensively.

The hate is unwarranted for a 23 year old 2nd round pick.

 

[LuckyDay]

And Jamie Benn has a history

But Carlo got his face in the glass from Benn; Norris got his teeth in the corner of boards and was forced into the quiet room under observation from Hughes. Whatever you say about Benn's check, the Hughes check was definitely correct call even if it wasn't that bad or in spite of what Benn did. Benn's might have been a blown call but he didn't get Carlo's face into the corner of the boards.

The Hoglander fight was 4 and 2 for roughing? That's just a politics call - that was an actual fight. It's bad game management because it's so obvious a wrong call.

 

[LuckyDay]

I think Tkachuk is likely an unreal player on a team with an established leadership group and vets. I think it's a recipe for trouble to give a kid the C on a somewhat young team that you know is going to lose all the time in a Canadian market - especially when you're giving them the C specifically because of how much they wear their heart on their sleeve and "drag the team into the fight." Of course that player isn't likely to have the maturity under all that pressure to steer themselves away from frustrated outbursts and still be the player you want them to be.

I'm not sure what you are saying. From my perspective Tkachuk was the one who started the comeback started by not being willing to give up being 4-1 down with less than 6 minutes to go. He goaded Joshua into the fight, got himself a 10 minute misconduct, but put the fight back in the team on a very tired looking Canuck team.
To me that's leadership and that young team bought into it. Are you saying he would excel on a better team?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

reminds me of his dad back in the day. when he first came up and we faced him in the playoffs he looked like he had limitless potential as a future power forward with lethal motor.

but then when winnipeg/phoenix built around him as their leader, made him captain at like 21, chose him as the dude over selanne, that set the foundation for a pissy immature and ultimately me first team where established vets, including our coach, went to take late-career two year resort vacations.

look at roenick, unhinged warrior everywhere he ever went other than phoenix, where he wore flip flops and bermuda shorts everyday and was golfing by the time the second round started. look at tverdovsky, whose holdout tkachuk openly cheerleaded in the press, leading eventually to the khabibulin saga. those teams always had decent talent, even in the context of the mid-to-late 90s western conference arms races, but they took on daddy tkachuk’s personality and there was no there there.

licked my chops everytime we faced a keith tkachuk team. it always starts off with him puffing out his chest but you apply a little resistance and he starts taking dumb penalties and disappearing.

Yeah that's a great example (though I'm on the side of labour so I don't agree with the Tverdovsky holdout example). Hockey culture seems to associate certain types of toughness with playoff leadership. But guys like the Tkachuks (minus Matthew) thus far, and Shayne Corson dispel that mythos but not enough to entirely disarm it.

 

[MS]

The Hoglander hate I just don’t understand. I guess the team needs a whipping boy but he’s honestly fine. Just snakebitten.

The Hoglander criticism is like 10% because he isn’t scoring and 90% because his terrible defensive play results in his line getting caved in. And the dumb penalties.

 

[lawrence]

No Jt No Brock, No Thatcher No Hughes.

Pettersson stepped in as the acting Captain. Hronek, embraced the role as the number 1 dman holding the fort for his fellow DMAN.

good win character win.

 

[LuckyDay]

Still left shaking my head at the reffing in this one. Kind of glad in hindsight that we just got out of this one without further injury. You could tell Lankinen was pumped at the end to get one over on these guys after they basically threw a giant tantrum for the entire third period.

plus he was mad about the second goal. even without the shutout and the big lead he was still competing to keep his GA down.

 

[LuckyDay]

How important did that 2 minute keep away before the 5 on 3 power play end up being. It looked like just a time waster at the time but given the fire drill at the end it probably made a big difference with the D exhausted by playing more minutes than they are each used to.

a couple of those deflected and looked scary. ottawa guys talking about an "own goal" before they even started doing that.

 

[WTG]

The Hoglander criticism is like 10% because he isn’t scoring and 90% because his terrible defensive play results in his line getting caved in. And the dumb penalties.

It's all perception and vibes.

Hoglander doesn't get caved in, his CF%/FF%/SF% are 51.57%/52.02%/52.02%. His xGF% is 52.51%.

Scoring chances and high danger scoring chances are 59.38% and 56.52%.

Hoglander has a PDO of .951 and that's the issue. Take that into the fact that he's hit a streak of taking bad penalties and then people just think he's shit when that's not even remotely true. It's just pure vibes.

Watch when his PDO reverses and all the people will go "OMG He's really made a turn around! He's playing so much differently." When in fact he's been playing pretty well the entire season just nothing is going for him ATM.

 

[LuckyDay]

Zack McEwen gets waived today after last night's game.
Surprised, because he seemed to be one of the few Ottawa players making an impact for Ottawa all three periods.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I know this was probably posted already but this play really pisses me off. If we are looking at intent this should be a suspension.

 

[racerjoe]

And Jamie Benn has a history

But Carlo got his face in the glass from Benn; Norris got his teeth in the corner of boards and was forced into the quiet room under observation from Hughes. Whatever you say about Benn's check, the Hughes check was definitely correct call even if it wasn't that bad or in spite of what Benn did. Benn's might have been a blown call but he didn't get Carlo's face into the corner of the boards.

The Hoglander fight was 4 and 2 for roughing? That's just a politics call - that was an actual fight. It's bad game management because it's so obvious a wrong call.

What makes the Hughes hit a 5 min penalty vs a 2 min call?

I'm not sure what you are saying. From my perspective Tkachuk was the one who started the comeback started by not being willing to give up being 4-1 down with less than 6 minutes to go. He goaded Joshua into the fight, got himself a 10 minute misconduct, but put the fight back in the team on a very tired looking Canuck team.
To me that's leadership and that young team bought into it. Are you saying he would excel on a better team?

Tkachuk wasn’t at all responsible for his teams comeback… like if I looked at that game, he wouldn’t be one of the reasons I gave for them coming back.

He is a good player that I think would be a great player to have… but he wouldn’t be one of the guys I would want to be part of the leadership of my team. Maybe later as he matures, but not right now.

 

[LuckyDay]

What makes the Hughes hit a 5 min penalty vs a 2 min call?

face to the bumper.

rule 41.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - When a major penalty is imposed under
this rule for an infraction resulting in an injury to the face or head of an
opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2023-24/2023-24Rulebook.pdf

Tkachuk wasn’t at all responsible for his teams comeback… like if I looked at that game, he wouldn’t be one of the reasons I gave for them coming back.

He is a good player that I think would be a great player to have… but he wouldn’t be one of the guys I would want to be part of the leadership of my team. Maybe later as he matures, but not right now.

The comeback is that he wouldn't give up and he deliberately started a fight after for cruising someone he could take down. He got his team going - he didn't do anything except pick a fight as the classic way to do that. It was the motivation Ottawa needed. The Canucks fell for it. Recall the times Ohlund wouldn't fight Iginla because they didn't want him to get things going. Joshua should have left it alone, but the Canucks were up 4-1. Would Stutzle have crosschecked Hogs into the boards if he had given up or Tkachuk didn't start that?

 

[Curm]

That was a character win under the circumstances. Between losing Hughes fairly early, already missing three core players, and suspect officiating, the deck was stacked against them despite the Sens being such a mess. Imagine, in 2024, rolling out Travis Green as the coach to take your team to the next level?

Hronek was great, getting a first pairing RHD while not having to pay Horvat that contract is a very solid deal. Nothing against Horvat, he's a fine player, and ASP is tracking as a blue chipper, but they've been desperate for a player like this on the right side for years. Plus, Raty looks to have something to offer.

It was Soucy's best game of the year which I know isn't saying much, I thought Myers and Brannstrom looked pretty good together, and I didn't notice Juulsen too much, which is a good thing.

I'd give that Pettersson line a good quarter of the season, there's something there. Sherwood might just be his Burrows.

Garland was great, as usual, and the rest of the forwards had a very workmanlike effort. Good first game for Sasson, I like his wheels and would rather see him up here than Bains. The after game interview with his reaction to his dad was fantastic.

It was a game where I wish they had a face-puncher though, even it was just to oblige Tkachuk, who's a very immature captain.