Post-Game Talk: Canucks defeat Senators | 4-3 (DeBrusk(2), Blueger, & Sherwood) | CHIEF KIEF

The Stig

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I'm really coming around on Debrusk. I wasn't sold on him at first but he's starting to mesh really well with Petey and Sherwood.

Sherwood is something else.

Considering who wasn't in the lineup, this was a good win. Ottawas 2 late ones skews the final outcome. We outplayed them all night.
 

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So what's the over/under on the Hughes suspension? 6 games? I wish I was joking but I literally will be shocked if he's not suspended. I f***ing hate this league.
 
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The bad - tied for 16 with 4 other teams for wins.

The good - only 3 teams have less losses. However tied with 6 teams with 6 losses.

Nearly a quarter of the way through the season, And only 2 teams seem bound to make the playoffs for sure (Minn & Winn). No one is really out of it yet. Virtually every team is a 3 game winning or loosing streak from being in/out of the playoffs.

Well I guess thats what parity looks like.

Anyhow, we got the win that we deserved based on the play, let's hope we run the table on this road trip and establish our selves. (ok, at Minn to end the road trip could be very tough).
 

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So what's the over/under on the Hughes suspension? 6 games? I wish I was joking but I literally will be shocked if he's not suspended. I f***ing hate this league.
While I don't hate the call, that was about as minor a major penalty as I have ever seen. It was about as gentle a push/cross check as I have ever seen, and the player was back for the power play. compare that to the pretty vicious hit to the head that Boeser took that has him out for pretty much a month, and that was a 3 game suspension. No way he get even 3 games, I figure he has no history, little damage and it was such a minor push, he does not get suspended.
 

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Yeah lol, that would be Benning level of asset management.

Imagine thinking a 23 year old forward who scored 23 goals last season is going to make it through waivers lmao
With that contract and his current play, we should hope he gets claimed.
 

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It's funny to reminisce about Travis Green but even funnier is to watch his post game comments tonight and realize he's completely out of answer 20 games into the season:


How this guy got another job as head coach is beyond me.
OMFG. Sooo glad he’s not here anymore. I would assume that how he interacts with the players is a bit different than with the press but you’ve got to think that at least some of it seeps through. You’ve got to stop gifting them chances, got to play better hockey and it’s not to do with the structure. Like, WTF do you do with that if you’re on the team? Just so bad and really drives home the point that he made his way back to a HC position too early before he really had an opportunity to reflect and add new dimensions.
 
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Still left shaking my head at the reffing in this one. Kind of glad in hindsight that we just got out of this one without further injury. You could tell Lankinen was pumped at the end to get one over on these guys after they basically threw a giant tantrum for the entire third period.
 

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Still left shaking my head at the reffing in this one. Kind of glad in hindsight that we just got out of this one without further injury. You could tell Lankinen was pumped at the end to get one over on these guys after they basically threw a giant tantrum for the entire third period.
Ottawa played awful.
Hughes penalty was a much lighter cross check than most by it did result in a face plant on the bumper, then the rules kick in.
If Ottawa had started the game the way they did the third period I think the game would have been different. They seemed to have no emotion for much of the game.
There were some really nice moves by Pettersson, still not up to snuff yet IMO, but a nice open ice check but close to head contact when he drove up through the check but both skates didn't leave the ice.

I think most people/posters/fans were satisfied with the outcome and enthusiastic about the group.
Is this group good enough as is?

No Miller, Boeser, Demko, Hughes yesterday, are they needed?
 

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Some thoughts on the Petey line...

It's great to see Petey coming around and looking like the all-star he can be. I think, at this point, we can see he picks up dings and when he does his performance dips and he gets on himself and his performance dips more. But he eventually fights his way out of it. I just hope he can stay healthy, physically and mentally.

I think we have to get used to when we have with Debrusk... love him when his on a scoring streak, put up with him when he's dries up. From all reports, that's been the pattern for his whole career so far.

Sherwood has been just great. Best FA signing in a while, if he keeps it up. My only concern is that he goes so hard that he might wear himself down. He's not huge, and he could end up breaking himself like Motte did. But, I don't think he can temper his play and still be effective. So, hopefully he's lucky.
 

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How important did that 2 minute keep away before the 5 on 3 power play end up being. It looked like just a time waster at the time but given the fire drill at the end it probably made a big difference with the D exhausted by playing more minutes than they are each used to.
 

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Egad, Travis Green you suck. What an absolute terrible coach. When are the Canucks going to get rid of this guy? Oh wait...

The feed talked about how Green and Tocchet are still good buds and that Green still calls up Tocchet for advice. I'm going to guess it's mostly about Texas Holdem given their history. (One of these days I'm going to a make a "Dogs Playing Poker" only it's going to be Tocchet, Green, and Janet Gretzky at the card table instead)

Hughes wasn't thinking. Didn't intend to hurt him but he got lazy with his cross check. Game misconduct was unfortunately automatic as they explained.

The officiating did look bad but they were doing so because of the 5 minute major. They didn't call anything after that for both teams. That kill looked incredible.

Way to step up boys! No Demko, Miller, Boeser, and now Hughes. Joshua still easing himself into the lineup.

Soucy, Myers, and Juulsen actually looked good for most of the game. Bizarre! Did Myers get the second assist to Sasson's? He definitely made that play from neutral ice. Wow, so exciting for Sasson's dad. Practically had me in tears.

Petey played great all night and was a threat but couldn't bury it. Canucks power play had one two many passes. But being on his line obviously benefited Debrusk and Sherwood.

Speaking of Sherwood

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I hate this so much!

That's stats made Ottawa look dominant - and they were in everywhere but during actual play where the Canucks were skating circles around them. It was only in the last few minutes did Tkuchuk manage to get something going. And the Canucks fell for it. Joshua should have just let it go as well as Hoglander - but I think they were overconfident with the score. Certainly Hogs is sending a message to management which was a bad time to do it. Canucks were bagged at this point and the lack of faceoff ability nearly cost them the regulation win.

Lankinen is proving why he has the #1 job right now. Just needed the rest as he's been overplayed. Hopefully they counted that last shot to make him .900 for the night.
 

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Remember how a large group of people filled their diapers about Pettersson and how we 'have to get rid of him' because of his slump?

Remember how a not insignificant portion of those same people dreamt of dealing him for Tkachuk because he's such a leader ('cuz he punchez stuff').

I like the Senators in general, but they are very prone to playing like an entitled, petulant, bully team with zero details. It must be ludicrously easy for a team with maturity and a system it trusts to decimate them piece by piece and watch them tantrum and ruin themselves and it feels like it's them taking on Tkachuk's persona.

Now, I'm not arguing he doesn't care. Nor am I arguing that he'll never figure it out. I suspect he'll get out of there, or they'll mature as a team and he'll have a J.T. Miller arc. But what he was showing wasn't really leadership, it was more like a bully having a tantrum.

As others have stated, the Senators were helped by the refs in a couple of significant ways.

I don't mind Hughes getting a double minor for that play because, while unintentional, that's how a guy gets really hurt. I could even live with a 5 minute major. But a game misconduct for a shove from a guy who never does anything cruel seemed outlandish. I also think the context needs to be considered. A ref calling it that way in the heat of the moment, fair enough. But on replay? Seriously?

Go back and look at the replay and look for the following:

Skates are sharp. When you want to change direction, or stop, before you do that in order to get your skates in a different direction (e.g. if you want to move to your left, and then to your right) there's a moment where you need to do something called 'Unweighting".

I will illustrate it like this.

You are skating forward along the boards with your blades like this:

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You want to do a quick stop to change direction and get your skates in this direction:

| |
| |

But to get there, first your skates have to go in this direction:

/. /
/ /.

So the whole time where your skates are diagonal (i.e. not horizontal or vertical) you are 'unweighted' which means that your weight moves up into your upper body and isn't dug in, because if you dug in your skates would dig into the ice and you'd do a sudden really sharp turn and fall over.

While you are in this 'unweighted' position, and it's just a brief moment for a good player, then even a big guy can get pushed over really easily.

I learned this from a former NHLer who trained me as a teen. I skated in on him during a drill and he kept just reaching out and barely touching my shoulder and I would completely spin out. I couldn't understand why until he explained it to me.

Getting back to Norris and Hughes. In the replay, you can see the timing is the problem. Norris is starting to turn his skates to pivot back to go left again, and that's when he gets shoved while unweighting.

So, again, the outcome could conceivably be catastrophic so even though there is little Hughes could do differently, give him a big penalty so D will err on the side of caution with hits from behind. But a game misconduct? Seriously?

Then you had the stuff with Stutzle and Hoglander which was more whiny baby tantrum shit that the refs rewarded them for.

And then the absolute fiasco with Soucy getting decked twice without the puck which led to their 2nd goal.

So all of that goes right for the Sens AT HOME. And they still look like a tantruming team with terrible details. They kind of look like us when things stopped working under Boudreau. Talented, but catastrophically allergic to details or team play.

Love what Petey, DeBrusk, and Sherwood are doing. They and our top pairing are leading the charge and the foot soldiers are following. Even the loss to the Rangers was a great sign.

I see people freaking out about the D personnel like that won't be figured out (and like Willander isn't coming long-term), and about quibbles like Hoglander's contract etc.

People should be kneeling and kissing the ring of our braintrust after what we have seen of pro-scouting for a decade.

Two straight years they have conjured big, tenacious, hitting, incredible forechecking, top/middle six players out of NOTHING in Sherwood and Joshua. This is turning straw into gold. Every single team would give their eye teeth to find one of those and we have found two.

But they maybe were wrong on Forbort and Desharnais so let's pillory them, right?
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I think this road stretch has a good chance to galvanize this team.

This game without every star except Petey gets the players to dig in, play desperate, and remember they are essential to this team.

This road trip, while missing 6, 9, and 35 is adversity, but not impossible as the teams we face aren't great, but it's still a challenging trip.

Further, if those three had 6 month injuries you would be likely to see the team sag and lose hope.

But knowing that the cavalry is coming? I think there's a good chance the team ends up pointing to this trip as the period where we got our mojo back.
 

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I think Tkachuk is likely an unreal player on a team with an established leadership group and vets. I think it's a recipe for trouble to give a kid the C on a somewhat young team that you know is going to lose all the time in a Canadian market - especially when you're giving them the C specifically because of how much they wear their heart on their sleeve and "drag the team into the fight." Of course that player isn't likely to have the maturity under all that pressure to steer themselves away from frustrated outbursts and still be the player you want them to be.
 

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It's funny to reminisce about Travis Green but even funnier is to watch his post game comments tonight and realize he's completely out of answer 20 games into the season:


How this guy got another job as head coach is beyond me.

Just look at the difference between how Tocchet and him talk about confidence. Green talks about how the guy with the answer to that is going to get a lot of money and implies there's not much you can do about it, Tocchet goes into detail about how it starts in practice. That's one guy hoping things change, and another doing things that make a change.

Some coaches you can see learn from the jobs they get early in their career and get significantly better afterwards (Tocchet being a great example of that), whereas Green so far looks as clueless as he did in Vancouver.

Not surprised in the slightest that the cameras showed Ullmark & Debrusk being friendly in the morning, but nothing about the Canucks who played under Green saying anything about him/talking to him.
 

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How important did that 2 minute keep away before the 5 on 3 power play end up being. It looked like just a time waster at the time but given the fire drill at the end it probably made a big difference with the D exhausted by playing more minutes than they are each used to.

tbh i think it also turned the refs even more blatantly against us and made ottawa start running around like maniacs

we were kinda unlucky that they almost came back from 4-1 but we were also lucky none of our guys got hurt

not to say i wasn’t LOLing but i don’t think it’s a good idea to show up a team like that
 

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DeBrusk-Pettersson-Sherwood what a line!

Each player brings a different style, they mesh very well together. Line looks great.



Think the Canucks have their lines figured out when completely healthy.


Suter-Miller-Boeser
(Line has been proven to be effective, Suter has good IQ in all 3 zones & compliments the 2 power forwards nicely.)

DeBrusk-Pettersson-Sherwood
(See above comments.)

Joshua-Blueger-Garland
(Best 3rd line in hockey)

Hoglander-Raty-Heinen
(Solid fast 4th line)
 
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DeBrusk-Pettersson-Sherwood what a line!

Each player brings a different style and they mesh very well together. This line looks great.



Think the Canucks have their lines figured out when completely healthy.


Suter-Miller-Boeser
(Line has been proven to be effective, Suter has good IQ in all 3 zones & compliments the 2 power forwards nicely.)

DeBrusk-Pettersson-Sherwood
(See above comments.)

Joshua-Blueger-Garland
(Best 3rd line in hockey)

Hoglander-Raty-Heinen
(Solid fast 4th line)
Yep. Fix the D and we could have something here with Demko in net. Still some work to do though.
 

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