Value of: Canucks are looking for Best offers (Discussion/Proposals/Valuations)

[Hierso]

Boesers value is hard to gauge, i wouldn't give him the QA since he brings little to the table besides scoring, and 21 in 68 isn't great.

 

[JTmillerForA1stLOL]

If Boeser is signed at that contract he* will be kept by the Canucks

I hope not...

 

[McJedi]

If it wasn’t for such an abysmal start with Benning and Green the Canucks would be right there with Edmonton in the standing. We need to tweak the depth, move out an offensive defenceman (Myers) for someone like hmmmmm Tanev and we are in fine shape

Myers has no trade value so you certainly won’t get that type of upgrade moving him out. It’s going to cost Vancouver to move Myers. I’d expect Myers back next season.

if it wasn’t for a great run of play for a month, Vancouver would be picking in the top 6.

they are a fringe playoff roster.

 

[RandV]

Vancouver fans really desperate to get something for Boeser. He’s the one they’d most gladly trade.

JT Miller is definitely valuable as a rental at 50%. I could see him get two firsts in that scenario. From a playoff team but a nice haul.

Garland is hard to peg value. My guess. He could fetch a late 1st in the 2022 draft.

I think Vancouver fans will be as disappointed at the end of summer as they were at the deadline with how little their GM was able to remake their team. I doubt they are able to overhaul their roster this summer. They’ll make fewer trades than thr fan base would like.

Eh, every fanbase is going to have fans with unrealistic expectations for what their teams can do, but overall I'd think most Canuck fans who follow the team closely (or at least on here) aren't going to have expectations set to high for some various obvious reasons. One of Miller/Horvat/Boeser/Garland will probably be moved to create the necessary cap space, but to do much more you start getting into tear down rebuild territory which likely isn't the direction and for the rest of the team the previous management has deadlocked it. Like yes, we know OEL/Myers/Dickinson/Pearson/Poolman are various degrees of terrible contracts that teams aren't likely going to want to touch.

As for any chance of Vancouver stepping up as more than a bubble team, there's no guarantee but there is some decent potential there via internal improvement. Specifically, after some much vaunted rookie seasons, under Green/Benning none of our young guys actually improved as hockey players from their rookie season. A massive part of Calgary's rise to the top of the division is simply from Gadreau and Tkahcuk having 100+ point seasons.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Myers has no trade value so you certainly won’t get that type of upgrade moving him out. It’s going to cost Vancouver to move Myers. I’d expect Myers back next season.

if it wasn’t for a great run of play for a month, Vancouver would be picking in the top 6.

they are a fringe playoff roster.

At a bare minimum I believe there are teams willing to take Myers on for future considerations.

 

[PAZ]

At a bare minimum I believe there are teams willing to take Myers on for future considerations.

The only teams that would take him for free are the same ones on his no trade list.

 

[RandV]

At a bare minimum I believe there are teams willing to take Myers on for future considerations.

That could be true but if so there's no motivation for them to actually do so if there's no competition to acquire him plus Vancouver is in a tight spot and would likely give something up to move him. These things can be a game of poker sometimes... and one of Jim Benning's many problems being he always played with his cards facing out.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Myers has no trade value so you certainly won’t get that type of upgrade moving him out. It’s going to cost Vancouver to move Myers. I’d expect Myers back next season.

if it wasn’t for a great run of play for a month, Vancouver would be picking in the top 6.

they are a fringe playoff roster.

He makes 6 million for 2 more seasons and can play 20+ minutes per night. I don’t think it will cost to move him, might not get much for him but he’s definitely movable imo.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

That could be true but if so there's no motivation for them to actually do so if there's no competition to acquire him plus Vancouver is in a tight spot and would likely give something up to move him. These things can be a game of poker sometimes... and one of Jim Benning's many problems being he always played with his cards facing out.

So Vancouver would likely give up something to move him, but wouldn’t be motivated to give him away for free? Am I parsing this correctly?

 

[604]

I'd say the team needs to trade Boeser + 1st for a guy like Pulock or Dobson.

Any chance NYI fans?

 

[PWJunior]

I'd say the team needs to trade Boeser + 1st for a guy like Pulock or Dobson.

Any chance NYI fans?

No chance Dobson gets traded and highly doubtful Pulock does.

Mayfield may be available though.

 

[TeddyBare]

Why would the nucks trade Conor Garland?

Like honestly?

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Why would the nucks trade Conor Garland?

Like honestly?

I don't think they will unless they can't find a taker for Boeser.

Garland is clearly the superior player and more cost controlled.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

To be a 7th-8th seed?

Sure. I agree. Vancouver should be in contention with teams like the Kings, Peg, Nashville, Oilers and Dallas to make a wild card birth or 3rd seed in their division. they were underachievers as a 10th seed. Vancouver doesn’t have the horses to compete with the Flames, Blues, Avs, healthy Vegas and Wild. They are definitely a talent tier below the real contenders. Their defense isn’t strong enough. And forward depth isn’t great.

not sure which guy they can trade to make their roster better? Garland I suppose. For a middle pair guy? Trading Miller definitely makes it worse.

Since Bruce took over the Canucks are 11th in the league in points percentage, 5th in the west, & 2nd in the pacific.

Canucks have the core to compete with those teams. Pettersson/Horvat/Miller are all 30 goals scorers, Hughes/OEL give them the potential for 2 good pairs, plus one of the best goalies in the league. There's more to be added but I disagree they don't have the horses.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I don't think they will unless they can't find a taker for Boeser.

Garland is clearly the superior player and more cost controlled.

Not sure if Garland is superior but I agree Boeser is the guy to trade.

They are just different. When Boeser is hot he's far superior, but Garland is more consistent game to game. Garland can't score like Brock but drives play individually more & his contract situation is better.

I consider them about the same value to our team, if Brock is desperate to stay I would want him to take something like Garland's contract, but using him to address other needs is preferable & hopefully Podkolzin/Hoglander can score some more.

 

[Three On Zero]

Since Bruce took over the Canucks are 11th in the league in points percentage, 5th in the west, & 2nd in the pacific.

Canucks have the core to compete with those teams. Pettersson/Horvat/Miller are all 30 goals scorers, Hughes/OEL give them the potential for 2 good pairs, plus one of the best goalies in the league. There's more to be added but I disagree they don't have the horses.

People refuse to acknowledge that when fully healthy the Canucks have one of the most well rounded rosters (in the pacific)

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

People refuse to acknowledge that when fully healthy the Canucks have one of the most well rounded rosters (in the pacific)

Agreed. EP's struggles really handicapped us, when he found his game (best he's ever played IMO) you saw how dangerous the forward group could be. Losing Horvat & Pearson really hurt at the end.

I also think OEL has been a really great addition (on the ice), just need to move Myers & find someone OEL doesn't have to baby-sit.

Should've been a divisional playoff team this year. The core itself is good & worth building around imo.

 

[Three On Zero]

Agreed. EP's struggles really handicapped us, when he found his game (best he's ever played IMO) you saw how dangerous the forward group could be. Losing Horvat & Pearson really hurt at the end.

I also think OEL has been a really great addition (on the ice), just need to move Myers & find someone OEL doesn't have to baby-sit.

Should've been a divisional playoff team this year. The core itself is good & worth building around imo.

The biggest concern we have is that our prospect pool is pretty shallow currently

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Boeser

For

Soderstrom
Philadelphia 2022 2nd
Jenik

?

 

[Icebreakers]

Boeser

For

Soderstrom
Philadelphia 2022 2nd
Jenik

?

Too much from Coyotes imo.

His value is a mid-late first + a B prospect.

 

[RandV]

So Vancouver would likely give up something to move him, but wouldn’t be motivated to give him away for free? Am I parsing this correctly?

Well, say Vancouver goes into the off season trying to move Myers, and any team that considers it asks 'what would you give us to take him'. Now maybe a team like Buffalo would actually be willing to take him without a sweetener, but if so why let Vancouver know that when a free asset could be had?

 

[RandV]

Why would the nucks trade Conor Garland?

Like honestly?

We don't know specifically what management is planning but there were rumours about him at the deadline. But what seems clear is they need to clear up salary and seem to have accepted that they will need to move one of Miller/Horvat/Boeser/Garland to do so.

From a roster perspective, when you have two of Pettersson/Miller/Horvat for your top 2 center spots it's much easier to accommodate downgrading a Boeser/Garland to a Pearson/Podkozlin/Hoglander than it is to try and budget-replace a legit offensive center.

So who they end up trading will likely come down to considerations of either the locker room or what's being offered in return.

 

[zcaptain]

Boeser

For

Soderstrom
Philadelphia 2022 2nd
Jenik

?

Close..........I counter with

Boeser

For

Soderstrom
Philadelphia 2022 2nd
Arizona's 2022-3rd

 

[bobbyb2009]

Too much from Coyotes imo.

His value is a mid-late first + a B prospect.

Kudo's to the person who actually made a proposal- it is the only one in two pages.

Now, first, you consider Soderstrom and Jenik A prospects? Because, unless you do, isn't what was offered kind of similar to what you said his value is?

But more importantly, the way the Canucks are built, where does Soderstrom fit? Jenik? I don't think they fit short term or long term. So the Canucks basically would be moving him for a 2nd? That just doesnt make sense. As a rental next year, he is worth more than that. The package offered would not be of interest to the Canucks, IMO

 

[Petes2424]

Ok, I am going to spare you my valuations, and look for the Best offers from each team...........you may pick to choose just one or make an offer on any or all 3 players separately................

#1. Brock Boeser................this is a sign and trade............he will be signed for $6,350,000 X 7 years

#2. Connor Garland

#3. JT Miller

We are looking for RHD and picks.

Come on guys, there are 31 other teams who need these players, what are you best offers? Best offers, please!

Think they move Boeser but when you start looking at where and for whom, it gets a little dicey with cap considerations, etc. Since it will be in the office-season let’s assume any cap issues have been taken care of by other clubs.

Would Vegas be interested? Think they’d probably want a little more speed on the wing but they will be making some significant moves as they start building more around Eichel. It would probably have to be a deal surrounding Brisson and maybe Dadonov. Like I said though, I think they’d want more speed.

The Islanders could be a fit. A Wahlstrom/Wilde return would t be out of the question if Lou believes this year is just an off year from Boeser.

Too many people on here rip the speed thing. The man has shown he can score at the NHL level and do it pretty consistently. It’s all about finding your space and you don’t lose that.

As I mentioned with Vegas, they’d probably want more speed on the wing. So it really is about the current roster and where he’d fit.

Detroit, who has a lot of speed up front, would be a team he’d probably fit in with well too. Maybe a Hronek and Zadina type deal.

Nashville will be a player for some scoring this summer too. Especially if Forsberg leaves. He’d be great with Duchene. Tomasino and Glass would be fair. Nashville did the right thing with Glass this year leaving him down in Milwaukee to grow as a player and it looks like it is working. Tomasino has shown some nice flashes.

That’s probably the best type returns they’d get at this point. Which isn’t bad at all honestly. Probably be scary some nights with Quinn and Hronek if that was the deal, but they’d be fun to watch on other nights.