Confirmed with Link: Canucks announce HC Rick Tocchet will Not Return

[Mr. Canucklehead]

This Tweet made me chuckle. “He’s going to get a job…somewhere.”

 

[tantalum]

This Tweet made me chuckle. “He’s going to get a job…somewhere.”

and sometime!

 

[NYVanfan]

I don't care one way or the other about Rutherford.

Alvin I have little issue with. Ya the JT Miller situation was not great but it is also such a completely unique thing that I'm not sure anyone would actually handle it "well" in the eyes of fandom. The NTC is a major wrinkle when this type of stuff happens in the locker room. Make no mistake despite not bad mouthing Miller there is very much a reason why it was Miller that was moved. That is who the room wanted moved. That very much includes guys like Hughes who cannot be pointed to as not being prepared or not being competitive.

I know people are on him about not moving Boeser but if the offer out there was a second rounder or worse I understand not pulling the trigger. At that point the asset is better used to try to sneak into the playoffs. A non-first round draft pick doesn't do much moving forward.

I also think people forget he acquired an excellent top 4 D-man before the deadline along with a useful and speedy bottom 6 guy for very reasonable cost (a first round pick and two non-impact players. Hell negative impact players). Then secured that D-man for more than half a decade. They've also legitimately have a pipeline w.r.t. to the blueline which this organization hasn't seen for years. Those truly are massive developments moving forward. Not to mention a re-vamped youth system that looks very good right now.

i agree with this, am still positive about the vast majority of Allvin moves, and JR too i guess.
Agree that JT was a flawed superstar and as the vet bears a lot of responsibility for the lack of leadership .. EP still has growing up to do, and I think is capable. As for cut&run Rick, good riddance. Dude oversaw a near 20-pt drop in the standings year to year and a flame-out from the playoffs ... as a team hiring a head coach right now I have some questions...

 

[LuckyDay]

Ok I will avoid discussing potential landing spots and players affected by the possible outcomes until I see a confirmed with link thread as well I guess.

In the meantime I found this funny and true today..

Watching this video brought up anger I haven’t felt since February or march. Absolutely absurd to hear a coach say this

Can you elaborate?

Tocchet basically said dont waste one until you have traffic in front. On one hand he's right, on the other hand it was highly telegraphed and only Huggy could make plays to get it on net with the added preasure the play being telegraphed cost us.

Pretty much what @Diablo2020 said. My issue with it is that the team was last in shots. while yes, getting shots with traffic in front is a great idea, if that’s your whole offensive strategy and you are actively coaching not to do anything else that is insanely problematic. It also explains the teams absolute dogshit power play.
I stand by that this team will be improved next year with a normal coach and if management doesn’t drop the ball

I would argue they had the skill but were being coached to not use it and just defer everything to Hughes. Also explains, in part, why the defense was an utter tire fire the first half. Yes it was objectively worse skill wise, but if you know that why would you continue to employ a strategy that relies so heavily on players that can barely string a pass together?

we were a top 6 scoring team last year, top 3 in net goals. despite Pettersson ghosting the last 20 games of the year. but sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

PDO

 

[LuckyDay]

What kind of coach quits an NHL job? Sure, I can think of a couple but they are so few and far between and people take assistant jobs just to get noticed.
Was Tocchet expecting to become GM? It's not like he wasn't going to get paid and he had stability. He already proved he wasn't the problem after he lost Demko and the team was still going. Plus, he stuck around for years on a useless Coyotes team.
Seeing him just walk back into the broadcasting panel on Turner like nothing happened is just annoying.

 

[Dana Murzyn]

This Tweet made me chuckle. “He’s going to get a job…somewhere.”

Strong Indications - The Darren Dreger Story. Six-part limited series now playing on HBO Max.

 

[Nick Lang]

What kind of coach quits an NHL job? Sure, I can think of a couple but they are so few and far between and people take assistant jobs just to get noticed.
Was Tocchet expecting to become GM? It's not like he wasn't going to get paid and he had stability. He already proved he wasn't the problem after he lost Demko and the team was still going. Plus, he stuck around for years on a useless Coyotes team.
Seeing him just walk back into the broadcasting panel on Turner like nothing happened is just annoying.

You're totally out of the loop and not paying attention. He's going to take a coaching job on a team without all the question marks and lack of direction.

 

[Canucker]

What kind of coach quits an NHL job? Sure, I can think of a couple but they are so few and far between and people take assistant jobs just to get noticed.
Was Tocchet expecting to become GM? It's not like he wasn't going to get paid and he had stability. He already proved he wasn't the problem after he lost Demko and the team was still going. Plus, he stuck around for years on a useless Coyotes team.
Seeing him just walk back into the broadcasting panel on Turner like nothing happened is just annoying.

He didn't "quit", he was released from a contract and didn't re-sign because I'd imagine he knew there were going to be better opportunities for him elsewhere...plus he might have more insights into where this team is heading (ie if QH or EP are going to be on this team in the near future). So I'm not sure why people get all bent out of shape that he left? Seriously, who cares really? I think this was always a stepping stone for him to get back into coaching, I'd prefer to have someone who actually has some history with the Canucks, someone with some investment in the City and the team, rather than a fly-by-nighter.

 

[Nick Lang]

He didn't "quit", he was released from a contract and didn't re-sign because I'd imagine he knew there were going to be better opportunities for him elsewhere...plus he might have more insights into where this team is heading (ie if QH or EP are going to be on this team in the near future). So I'm not sure why people get all bent out of shape that he left? Seriously, who cares really? I think this was always a stepping stone for him to get back into coaching, I'd prefer to have someone who actually has some history with the Canucks, someone with some investment in the City and the team, rather than a fly-by-nighter.

Yes, these are good points which I've been thinking about lately. RT took a chance on us just as much as we took a chance on him. He signed for 2/3 years when we were at our absolute worst. There was no obligation on either side that we were going down some long standing obligation and decade long plan the way I see it. He was there to instill some structure and to get the team playing the right way in the short term (on management's expectation level). Which he did in spades on his way to the coach of the year award. RT elevated his coaching status at the same time. We both kind of got what we wanted there.

It was very unfortunate how the wheels fell off this year and had nothing to do with RT at all but definitely falls somewhat in the management's court. Even if it's just being so thin everywhere they couldn't rebound swiftly from the fallout. As such I don't really blame RT for not re-upping in this situation even though I'm disappointed that he did quit on what we started.

I for one really like his approach and I think playing defence first is necessary to win for most NHL teams. I'm sorry to see him go but as you allude to I don't think he is the biggest issue this team is facing. Hopefully we find an adequate replacement (don't agree they need to have ties), but our season and future lies in the player moves the management group makes. Like usual that's our bottle neck, not coaching.

 

[LuckyDay]

I've already said he was testing the free market and I've repeated all of your points. Saying he didn't quit is just semantics - management didn't exercise their option and made him an offer. It's is still a bad move. Shows he's got no loyalty for one.

 

[Canucker]

I've already said he was testing the free market and I've repeated all of your points. Saying he didn't quit is just semantics - management didn't exercise their option and made him an offer. It's is still a bad move. Shows he's got no loyalty for one.

Why was he required to have "loyalty"? It's a free market system.

 

[nowhereman]

You're totally out of the loop and not paying attention. He's going to take a coaching job on a team without all the question marks and lack of direction.

Philly? Boston? Seattle?

None of the teams he's been tied to are in an enviable position. They are all middling franchises who fired their coaches for a reason. It's either the behind-the-scenes drama or he just wants to go to the States.

 

[Nick Lang]

I've already said he was testing the free market and I've repeated all of your points. Saying he didn't quit is just semantics - management didn't exercise their option and made him an offer. It's is still a bad move. Shows he's got no loyalty for one.

Saying he quit is also just the ultimate in semantics. People should be allowed to make positive life choices without being called a quitter. Facts are he performed well enough that he has multiple good choices to choose between. Basically you're saying if someone offers you a job you have no right to say no and make a better choice for yourself or you're a lowlife quitter. I don't think you know RT very well at all. I guarantee he struggled mightily with it. Facts are he earned the right through his performance to make the best choice for his future.

Why was he required to have "loyalty"? It's a free market system.

Exactly. If we had continued on the same trajectory, made the playoffs, and had an understanding the team was building on something we built it would be a different situation entirely to walk away. He's simply making a totally acceptable life choice.

Philly? Boston? Seattle?

None of the teams he's been tied to are in an enviable position. They are all middling franchises who fired their coaches for a reason. It's either the behind-the-scenes drama or he just wants to go to the States.

Well I'm sure he sees it as more enviable otherwise he wouldn't be doing it, right? Whatever it is I think he has the right to make the best choice for himself and those close to him.

He has huge ties in Philly and would hold the reigns on a rebuild already stocked with good talent and high picks. In Boston he would again be in a bottom up rebuild with an organization his philosophy perfectly aligns with. In Seattle he also has some good building blocks and possibly free range to do what he envisions. No one knows what the heck we are doing at this point. Either way we don't necessarily know his desired situation, but he does.

 

[racerjoe]

Why was he required to have "loyalty"? It's a free market system.

He is under no obligation.

Its just preaching meeting pressure with pressure, or embracing the tough flies in the face of that.

 

[Canucker]

He is under no obligation.

Its just preaching meeting pressure with pressure, or embracing the tough flies in the face of that.

Meh...using those pretenses creates a sense of "obligation"....also, those are his coaching philosophies, not life philosophies.

 

[racerjoe]

Meh...using those pretenses creates a sense of "obligation"....also, those are his coaching philosophies, not life philosophies.

So is he not coaching?

Also i would argue he can say it was a hard season, and it was, and the team did fine in those circumstances... but how much of that was him to blame? I would say a lot of it.

This season I really lost a lot of respect for him. I don't care we lost him. I pointed to a podcast that really started to change my mind on him (the Too Many Men Podcast), and its not sour grapes, its just laughing at a man that can't live by his own rules.

And if you are the coach, it is different than some random job you have. This is something you have helped build. This isn't the end of an era... he started to build something and it got hard so he left. Its a loser mentality.

 

[LuckyDay]

Why was he required to have "loyalty"? It's a free market system.

Not required, it goes to character when you get hired. Do you hire the guy that will quit on you or do you hire the guy that wants the job and will be willing to stick around.
Who's to say he won't quit on the next team?

 

[Bgav]

Manny slight fav over foote per patrick johnson

 

[Canucker]

So is he not coaching?

Also i would argue he can say it was a hard season, and it was, and the team did fine in those circumstances... but how much of that was him to blame? I would say a lot of it.

This season I really lost a lot of respect for him. I don't care we lost him. I pointed to a podcast that really started to change my mind on him (the Too Many Men Podcast), and its not sour grapes, its just laughing at a man that can't live by his own rules.

And if you are the coach, it is different than some random job you have. This is something you have helped build. This isn't the end of an era... he started to build something and it got hard so he left. Its a loser mentality.

I wouldn't argue against him sharing in blame for this season, its part of the reason why I really don't care that he left...but I don't hold any ill will or hard feelings against him, or care to slag on him because he chose a different path...I don't know what "rule" he isn't living by, by leaving while under no contractual obligations? And if he joins another team, its likely going to be one that finished in a much worse position than the Canucks did, so its not like he's moving to some cushy situation (not that I would begrudge him even if he did).

I don't really agree that Tocchet was building anything either...management was building something and he was there to coach it...if his preference was to build around Miller and trade EP, and management had different ideas, its not the team he wants. If he knows QH is pondering leaving and he's going to be continually guiding a team that has no consistency, why "embrace the hard" of someone else's inadequacy? He's not a fan of the team, he's a coach, its a job, and you leave jobs for better opportunities....at least thats my opinion of it.

 

[I am toxic]

I will fall out of my chair if Toccs does not end up as Philly's HC

 

[Canucker]

Not required, it goes to character when you get hired. Do you hire the guy that will quit on you or do you hire the guy that wants the job and will be willing to stick around.
Who's to say he won't quit on the next team?

Are owners and managers subject to the same "character" requirements? Bruce Boudreau seemed like a pretty loyal guy, he wasn't shown a lot of loyalty. Mike Gillis was a pretty loyal guy, shown the door.

If you mean by "quitting on the next team" that he moves on after his contract expires, he very well might "quit" on that team.

 

[racerjoe]

I wouldn't argue against him sharing in blame for this season, its part of the reason why I really don't care that he left...but I don't hold any ill will or hard feelings against him, or care to slag on him because he chose a different path...I don't know what "rule" he isn't living by, by leaving while under no contractual obligations? And if he joins another team, its likely going to be one that finished in a much worse position than the Canucks did, so its not like he's moving to some cushy situation (not that I would begrudge him even if he did).

I don't really agree that Tocchet was building anything either...management was building something and he was there to coach it...if his preference was to build around Miller and trade EP, and management had different ideas, its not the team he wants. If he knows QH is pondering leaving and he's going to be continually guiding a team that has no consistency, why "embrace the hard" of someone else's inadequacy? He's not a fan of the team, he's a coach, its a job, and you leave jobs for better opportunities....at least thats my opinion of it.

Coaching plays a large part in what you are building. You don't think he and management would talk about the type of players to bring in?

 

[Canucker]

Coaching plays a large part in what you are building. You don't think he and management would talk about the type of players to bring in?

Sure...I'm sure they had discussions but it doesn't always mean they are on the same page.

 

[Hodgy]

Alvin I have little issue with. Ya the JT Miller situation was not great but it is also such a completely unique thing that I'm not sure anyone would actually handle it "well" in the eyes of fandom. The NTC is a major wrinkle when this type of stuff happens in the locker room. Make no mistake despite not bad mouthing Miller there is very much a reason why it was Miller that was moved. That is who the room wanted moved. That very much includes guys like Hughes who cannot be pointed to as not being prepared or not being competitive.

I think, here, you are inventing a reason - that isn't really consistent with all of the evidence - when there is a more plausible reason that requires no speculation: they traded Miller because Pettersson is six years younger. This would make sense given what management has said about both players. Not saying you are necessarily wrong, but most of the team not liking Miller doesn't square up with all of the glowing remarks made by management about Miller.

 

[tantalum]

I think, here, you are inventing a reason - that isn't really consistent with all of the evidence - when there is a more plausible reason that requires no speculation: they traded Miller because Pettersson is six years younger. This would make sense given what management has said about both players. Not saying you are necessarily wrong, but most of the team not liking Miller doesn't square up with all of the glowing remarks made by management about Miller.

I don’t think it was a case of “liking”. That’s different than having a belief that someone is the bigger problem. I like plenty of players I want nowhere near my team even in beer league. I’m not really inventing anything…the logical thing to believe, IMO, is the guy moved is the one the room is least sad about seeing moved. And, well, I’ve heard some things from a reliable source that I can’t and won’t get into.