Proposal: Canucks 2017 1st (1st or 2nd overall) for Pierre Luc Dubois

[major major]

Patrick is expected to be much better than Dubois?

The only thing I'd heard on this is the comparison Pronman made, where he pointed out that they are only a few months apart, and Patrick didn't outscore Dubois. He was saying it's just a weaker draft.

There might be a lot more to Patrick's game though. I'll admit that point totals will only tell you so much.

 

[snipes]

Patrick is expected to be much better than Dubois?

The only thing I'd heard on this is the comparison Pronman made, where he pointed out that they are only a few months apart, and Patrick didn't outscore Dubois. He was saying it's just a weaker draft.

There might be a lot more to Patrick's game though. I'll admit that point totals will only tell you so much.

I'd say Patrick is projected to have a slightly higher ceiling than Dubois, but they're in the same tier in my opinion. If CBJ believes in Dubois, they pass even if VAN has #1 OA.

McDavid

Matthews/Eichel/Laine

Dubois/Patrick

 

[major major]

I'd say Patrick is projected to have a slightly higher ceiling than Dubois, but they're in the same tier in my opinion. If CBJ believes in Dubois, they pass even if VAN has #1 OA.

Yeah, if he's coming along at center there's no way the Jackets swap Dubois for Patrick. It just delays the maturation of what is already a too-young team with a too-long rebuild. Patrick would have to be a tier above.

McDavid

Matthews/Eichel/Laine

Dubois/Patrick

Forgetting someone? Too early to rank Pulju?

 

[snipes]

Yeah, if he's coming along at center there's no way the Jackets swap Dubois for Patrick. It just delays the maturation of what is already a too-young team with a too-long rebuild. Patrick would have to be a tier above.



Forgetting someone? Too early to rank Pulju?

Exactly on your first point, why delay a year? If you guys believe in Dubois, him and Patrick are so close it's almost not worth the gamble. Dubois will be a beast, I was high on him pre-draft.

I know what we have in Pulju, didn't want to look like a homer .

 

[Alexander Edler]

The pro scouts are rating the players too low Patrick is just below Matthews and PLD Isa top6 center no way Canucks do this

 

[Street Hawk]

Patrick is expected to be much better than Dubois?

The only thing I'd heard on this is the comparison Pronman made, where he pointed out that they are only a few months apart, and Patrick didn't outscore Dubois. He was saying it's just a weaker draft.

There might be a lot more to Patrick's game though. I'll admit that point totals will only tell you so much.

They are comparable players in terms of value.

Patrick has always been a centre. PLD, played half of last season there.

Neither guy is going to be Kopitar in terms of their defence. Don't think there is a huge disparity in either their offence or defence.

Both are born in the same year. Patrick just a little young because he missed the Sept 15 cutoff. So, overall development is the same. Both will have played 3 full years of junior by the end of the season.

 

[gianni]

If the Canucks have a top-2 pick, they take Timothy Liljegren.

A future top-pairing of Olli Juolevi & Timothy Liljegren would have the Canucks set on D for the next 12-15 years.

 

[CherryToke]

Canucks picking 1st or 2nd? ya right they won't get that lucky.

Exactly. 4th is the best we can hope for in a Bettman run league.

 

[Crede777]

The OP's proposal doesn't make sense and wouldn't happen.

 

[TheTechNoir]

How about we wait until closer to the draft? And find out what we're looking at in the 2017 draft... Not only are Patrick, and over-rated Timmy not guaranteed to be top 3 picks, come draft day there could be 3 players (maybe it will include one of those 2) who surge and show a great deal more upside than they have until now. You might as well offer a 2019 1st rder if you're thinking of trading so early.

 

[major major]

If the Canucks have a top-2 pick, they take Timothy Liljegren.

A future top-pairing of Olli Juolevi & Timothy Liljegren would have the Canucks set on D for the next 12-15 years.

And given that the Canucks are nowhere near having enough pieces to finish their rebuild, drafting D (who take longer) makes a lot of sense. Chicago had Seabs and Keith a bit older than Kane and Toews and it meant they were ready to compete right away when the star forwards arrived.

 

[docbenton]

I don't get it either, my understanding of Patrick was that he's almost a defensive center first, what makes him appealing is that he happens to be a top scorer as well. I don't know why you'd want PLD over Patrick because he's a good defensive player - Patrick is probably better defensively.

 

[nhlfan9191]

It was to my understanding that Nolan Patrick (and obviously, the subsequent #2 pick after that) are a clear-cut level BELOW Matthews/Eichel/Laine. That's just from what I read. It's to my understanding that the pecking order is....

1) McDavid
2) Matthews/Eichel/Laine
3) Patrick

Am I wrong on this? Given that Dubois was drafted right after Matthews and Laine, that's why I figured that a PLD for #1 overall or #2 overall pick might be a comparable (or, a situation where CBJ would have to add to their PLD package).

#1 for Laine = Winnipeg laughing (i.e. Laine is better, and is one year more mature.....and from what I see, is almost a CURRENT NHL Superstar anyways).

Had Toronto not won the lottery, he would have gone done as just another first overall. The hype of playing in Toronto is getting ridiculous.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Had Toronto not won the lottery, he would have gone done as just another first overall. The hype of playing in Toronto is getting ridiculous.

I am the first to say Maple Leafs fans overhype their players like no other fan base, but Mathews was hyped even before we knew Toronto would have the 1st overall, most scouts said it was very close between him and Eichel, in terms of potential. Given that I don't think your right in this regard.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

If the Canucks have a top-2 pick, they take Timothy Liljegren.

A future top-pairing of Olli Juolevi & Timothy Liljegren would have the Canucks set on D for the next 12-15 years.

If we somehow (god forbid, I think it's going to Vegas) get the 1st overall, we take Patrick without a doubt, if we get any other pick, I agree going defense is a good idea.

 

[scallionjj11]

If the Canucks have a top-2 pick, they take Timothy Liljegren.

A future top-pairing of Olli Juolevi & Timothy Liljegren would have the Canucks set on D for the next 12-15 years.

I love posts like this one. When has that ever happened? that two young blue chippers actually pan out and play on the same top pairing for 12-15 years?

Either one ends up being traded to upgrade when the time is to contend.

or

One of the two (maybe both) don't get to their top potential.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I love posts like this one. When has that ever happened? that two young blue chippers actually pan out and play on the same top pairing for 12-15 years?

Either one ends up being traded to upgrade when the time is to contend.

or

One of the two (maybe both) don't get to their top potential.

Nashville Predators, Chicago Blackhawks, Flyers

 

[scallionjj11]

Nashville Predators, Chicago Blackhawks, Flyers

Can you provide player names?

and are these players actually only one year apart and developed under the same system?

Keith and Seabrook?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

It would be best to hold onto the pick until you know exactly where it lands.

This draft is tricky. You had the McDavid draft, and the Matthews draft back-to-back, which were hyped like crazy. That kinda put 2017 into the shadows. By the time June rolls around, some of the 2017 kids could easily look just as impressive as the ones in the last few years (except for having a McDavid level generational player).

 

[gianni]

Can you provide player names?

and are these players actually only one year apart and developed under the same system?

Shea Weber & Ryan Suter, Duncan Keith & Brent Seabrook, Drew Doughty & Jake Muzzin, ... Montreal drafted PK Subban & Ryan McDonagh in the same draft; New Jersey drafted Adam Larsson & Damon Severson, and Anaheim drafted Hampus Lindholm & Shea Theodore in back-to-back years which looks to be promising picks.

There's probably a few other top pairing d that teams have drafted 2-4 years apart, so it's not unheard of that teams can draft their future top-pairing in back-to-back drafts or within a 2-4 year gap.