Post-Game Talk: Can't Win Em All - Ducks 4 Jets 3 (OT)

[DeepFrickinValue]

I can't believe all this whining on Hendricks being in the shootout. It's basically a lottery with slightly rigged probabilities depending on who you put out there. Then again in 2009 I watched Jarkko Ruutu score twice against Canada in a shootout in the 2009 world championships and he wasn't exactly a known goal scorer or even shootout specialist. On his 3rd attempt he failed. After that I learnt to respect the coaches choices. Often I don't agree with them, but I also realize my choices might not be any better and could be worse. Also the coaches have a lot of information I don't have access to, sometimes that might make a difference. No one else scored either, so Little, Laine, Wheeler or Perrault weren't any better choices than Hendricks in this particular shootout.

This wasn't even a totally left field choice, his career numbers are still pretty good for shootouts and he's had plenty of attempts. Even if most of the goals happened many years ago, it still shows he's no stranger to shootouts and scoring in them.

For all I know Hendricks told Maurice during OT that if there's going to be a shootout, he has a good feeling he'll score if given the chance. Maybe he said it in a manner that convinced Maurice, who went "OK, this kid has the eye of the tiger, I want him out there." And you know what, if that was the reason he was picked for it, I'd be completely fine with that.

I really think Pomo was trolling oilers. Getting ready to screw the oil on a trade.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Some peoples schtick is embarassing already

I agree with everyone that might have been Troubas best game. He was a beast all night. Hopefully we get that effort out of him for the rest of the year

I wonder how many players on the bench didn't want to shoot

 

[ps241]

Ok so I come to Mexico each year at this time and historically watching Jets games has sucked because we are not in the Hunt and usually lose games that week. This year we got 7 of a possible 8 points so quite joyous for once.

Our teams remarkable rise to the upper echelon of the NHL has only been outpaced by HFBoards Jets fans ratcheded up expectations of an 82-0 record.....we must manufacture stress and angst somehow

Random thoughts

Trouba is getting back to being our best D man again!

Ducks play us tough and tend to target our smaller D men for punishment.....it’s a smart strategy. Punishing team but that is really how they are built and need to play to that strength

On the flip side Perreault Little Ehlers were completely tormenting the Ducks D with their speed forecheck and the Ducks had no answer for it.

Loved the chess match of who could impose their style of game on the other team.

The next skill Morrissey will need to develop will be watching Ducan Keith absorb hits without risk of injury. Keith is the master of avoiding and or absorbing contact when nessesary. There is a skill to it.

Laine Roslo and Wheels struggled with zone exits again but on the flip side they were very dangerous at times and generated two even strength goals and a couple of other great chances....that line is Buff

I feel like this might be Toby’s last season. Still much better than Chiarot but the punishment has taken its toll. In a similar light Corey Perry is not the same player anymore.

Army Copp Tanev got scored on at evens and I remember thinking I never see Copp leaving the ice after a goal against at even strength?

Any word on Gibson? That was a really unfortunate break.

Laine is still a gong show trying to get out of his own zone but more and more he is starting to flash those skills I saw in the Playoffs in Finland where he would foray through the neutral zone and attack off the rush flashing his high end skill. I feel it coming......one goal and one near goal in the crease area too. He’s starting to adapt. I think he will have a big Playoffs this year.

First time in the 2.0 era I have ever felt we can play with and “maybe”beat theDucks in a series.

Thank you Hellebuyck you are a godsend.

 

[Lowered Expectations]

"They all can't be Picassos" is said about wins. I think in this case Laine, Tanev and Roslovic took some spray cans and headed to downtown Anaheim. They sprayed some vulgar tags on Anaheim city hall and outrun the police with one point.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

My understanding is that they didn't practise (some comments how it is inefficient to have 2 goalies and 6 guys on ice during practise with the rest of the team doing nothing useful).

Might be smart to look at it before next season but personally I wouldn't pay that much attention this season seeing how far in we are.

Unless I'm wrong we are 2-2 on SO, 1-6 on OT and 1-5 on OT that sees 3v3 action.

As the season nears its end, even more games game will go to OT and it would probably pay off to practice that part of the game ASAP. I bet that 3 on 3 practices would pay off far more in the standings than the team would lose in skipping other drills this far into the season.

 

[Male75FromFinland]

Hendricks actually has a good shootout history so people need to chill with calling Maurice a bozo for picking him to go. He did no worse than Little, Laine, Perrault and Wheeler who didn't score either. So educate yourselves before making comments like Maurice is a moron because in the end you are the pot calling the kettle black.

Agree, every team does shoot out drills and pick players based on that.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I guess we could beat Anaheim in the playoffs but we would be in rough shape for the next series. The Ducks are a team that plays to injure and that is what scares me.

I was terrified that we were going to sustain another impactful injury last night. It's absurd that the league lets some of that stuff go. It's only going to be a matter of time before the league loses some star power.

Buff sure seemed docile last night, he must have been talked to beforehand. I would have liked to have seen him hit back a little.

 

[CaptainChef]

As far as Hendricks goes in shootout since 2013 he has 2 goals in 13 attempts for a 15.38% success rate, his career rate is higher but lately he kind of sucks and he has now fallen to 2 in 14 attempts. Ehlers has a career 0% success rate in 3 attempts. Connor, Roslovic, Copp, Dano, Tanev and Armia have 0 attempts. Buff has a 0% success rate on 7 attempts. Perreault is actually one of the more abysmal shootout players as he is 2 for 11 in his career for a 18.2% success rate and has now fallen to 2 in 12. Little is 17 in 54 for a 31.5% success rate and Wheeler is 23 in 66 attempts for a 34.8% success rate so you obviously go with them every time.

I agree that having a good shootout record is a much better predictor of shootout success then "regular season scoring prowess" but that argument really only works when the other guys you are choosing from have actually had a chance at proving they can or can't score in a shootout.

Incredible how low most of our players stats are on shootouts. You didn't mention Laine, but I suppose he's also low. You would think that guys would spend extra time working on a few moves but I guess most will rarely get the chance to show the coach that they've got some great moves. IMO, Jets really need to practice 3 on 3 (last night was the epitamy of terrible but they've been bad all year). And everyone should have a shot at a shootout in practice evert once in a while too. Those extra points can make a huge difference for a team on the bubble (which thankfully doesn't aplly to the Jets this year)

 

[Neuf]

I've seen Armia undress goalies a few times. Wonder how he would do in shootout.

 

[ocdaddy]

Have to admit I didnt know Hendricks had so much experience with shootouts. Seems less perverted now.

Just hope having his family in town wasnt a factor in the decision. They fought tooth and nail all night and warm touchy feelies shouldnt come into it IMO.

 

[CaptainChef]

3 on 3 is a player safety issue. I’m always glad when we escape OT with no one hurt. Guys are dead tired and selling out repeatedly. We had Trouba out for almost 2:30.

Not entertaining either.

That's the other part of how we suck so often at 3 on 3. How many times has Wheeler been out there for 2 mins or so & is totally useless by then. Ditto for Buff. Jets don't seem to know how to take possession & hold onto it long enough to make a change of players, or the players that have been on for 30-45 secs don't realize that they need to change rather than making one more rush (which turns into an extra minute before they get their next chance to get off the ice). Its becoming an issue more and more, I hate to complain after they get 3 out of 4 in Calif, but this is quite fixable

 

[Adam da bomb]

Losing is only a big deal because Nashville doesn't. Otherwise we should be thrilled with this game. Can't win them all or can you?

 

[ps241]

Ok so my post was too long lol

One more point.....Ducks almost seem to play 3 on 3 not to lose more than they play to win.

 

[Male75FromFinland]

watch

1st goal was 100% on Laine, 2nd 100% on fat buff and 3rd 100% on Hellebyuck. Enstrom penalty was 100% because of fat buff, just look what happened there..... What the buff was he doing AGAIN

Is Josh Morrissey most underrated player in NHL right now? He must have dozen of bruises all over his body, after every game.

Now Wheeler is playing with player who is just kicking NHL door and player who is even younger and defensively learning how to survive in top 6. Same time Wheeler is learning job of playing as center against opponents top lines. People don't understand how valuable he has been with Scheifele out.

Rumor is that Jets are looking for center at trade deadline, but why move Wheeler to the wing? Copp has also been excellent at center so we should have abundance on that position.

Seriously there is no point why buff gets to play in NHL, curve is again going straight up for losing battles that create scoring changes against. He has nothing to give on power play. Lately (past couple of games) his physical edge has totally disappeared. Last night Ritchie was making screen, but buff made even bigger screen for hellebyuck. Shot came and Ritchie had stick free for deflection (buff is losing those stick battles too often). after that Ritchie had easy time to turn and look for a rebound. He decided to swing his stick to hellebyuck glove and after that challenged buff for a fight. There was no response from buff after that.

Jets need tough right handed defenseman so we can make noise in playoffs. We already have PP quarterback who can dominate in NHL with Morrissey. There is also Trouba that is making strong case for being best offensive defenseman of this team. Myers has secure place on 2nd PP he has played that role so good.

But yeah, we have a problem with Hendricks at shoot outs

 

[Puckatron 3000]

IMO, Jets really need to practice 3 on 3 (last night was the epitamy of terrible but they've been bad all year).

It seems to me the Jets really haven't grasped the art of 3on3 puck possession. Other teams seem more relaxed, pass the puck around at their leisure, and pick their shots carefully. We try to force plays or take the first low-danger shot that presents itself. It doesn't seem like we use the extra ice that well.

That being said, the Jets needed to improve on a lot of aspects of their game this year, like special teams, defence, and continuing to incorporate our young players and rookies. And they have done so. These things seem even more important than 3on3, because they make a difference in both the regular season AND the playoffs. There's no 3on3 OT in the playoffs. So, given limited time to practice and a fairly long list of stuff needing improvement, I can see why 3on3 hasn't made the list yet.

 

[Male75FromFinland]

Its much more easier to keep puck possession, with Fowler & Lindholm on the ice. And yeah Morrissey was on the ice almost all the time for Jets...........

 

[robertocarlos]

I thought Laine would score in the shoot-out but he hit the post. It still was a bad play, he needs to shoot the puck. MP was even worse, slow up the ice you don't deserve to score. Ehlers would have passed the puck finally. The puck would have mysteriously left Joel's stick just before he shot. My vote is let Trouba have a chance.

 

[Male75FromFinland]

And yeah, we would not have to go for extra time without buff, AGAIN

 

[robertocarlos]

I am well aware of which posters expressed these opinions in the past and it amuses me to no end to see this season unfold the way it is.

I'll be right when they let a valuable player walk for a few dollars and you'll be right when they get with-in 5% of the cap ceiling.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Or *****ing or moaning about *****ing or moaning.

Stop exhibiting shitty behaviour and people will stop criticizing shitty behaviour. Not difficult.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Incredible how low most of our players stats are on shootouts.

The team is currently 6 out of 16 on shootouts, above league average which has held steady around ~33% for some time. Of the four players below average, three of them (Hendricks, Ehlers, and Perreault) are 0-1.

 

[Skidooboy]

Wow! Jets fans be trippin'.
Team wins 3 out of 4 games since bye week, and the loss is an OT shootout....Against a healthy Ducks team.....

6 Wins and and 2 OT/SO losses out of 10 games!!!!! even if we loose to the Bolts.... January has been a great month for Winnipeg.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

I thought Laine would score in the shoot-out but he hit the post. It still was a bad play, he needs to shoot the puck. MP was even worse, slow up the ice you don't deserve to score. Ehlers would have passed the puck finally. The puck would have mysteriously left Joel's stick just before he shot. My vote is let Trouba have a chance.

How was it a bad play by Laine? He had the goalie beat and was litterally half an inch from scoring
With his long reach, quick and soft hands and goal scorers touch he can deke as much as he likes. It has worked pretty good so far in his short career, wouldn't you say?

 

[jets2020champs]

I realize these are just regular season games. I think the last 2 games were the closest we’ve had to playoff style hockey. Those games were the real test. Of course we had some injuries, but those will happen in the playoffs as well.

If this is the results we would get come playoffs, I may get a heart attack. I couldn’t bear getting swept or losing in the first round or second round.

And that’s coming from a fan. I wonder what the owners and management are feeling?

I hope they make good sound decisions in the coming weeks to strengthen the team for a long and physical playoff run.

I’m so impressed with Little’s play in the last 2 games. He’s not a big guy, but he played a big guy’s game, taking on Thornton and then Kessel.

He is playoff ready.

GOJETSGO!!!

 

[Gm0ney]

It seems to me the Jets really haven't grasped the art of 3on3 puck possession. Other teams seem more relaxed, pass the puck around at their leisure, and pick their shots carefully. We try to force plays or take the first low-danger shot that presents itself. It doesn't seem like we use the extra ice that well.

That being said, the Jets needed to improve on a lot of aspects of their game this year, like special teams, defence, and continuing to incorporate our young players and rookies. And they have done so. These things seem even more important than 3on3, because they make a difference in both the regular season AND the playoffs. There's no 3on3 OT in the playoffs. So, given limited time to practice and a fairly long list of stuff needing improvement, I can see why 3on3 hasn't made the list yet.

Yeah I agree that the Jets need to rethink their 3-on-3 plan. Too much forcing and needless urgency it seems. Not enough willingness to circle back and regroup. Murat's written some stuff in the Athletic about their struggles.