Confirmed with Link: Canes Sign Defenseman Jake Gardiner to 4 Year Contract

[My Special Purpose]

Deal! I'll send over the paperwork.

I honestly think my deal is better for us, for a few reasons. No. 1, clearing Reimer is huge. No. 2, Broissoit is actually a perfect backup goalie for us, signed at a reasonable rate for one season. No. 3, we trade Faulk instead of Hamilton, duh. No. 4, we need to clear more cap than just Hamilton to add Laine.

I'd actually even consider Hamilton, Necas, Reimer, first-round pick, second-round pick for Laine/Broissoit, but obviously, I'd prefer to deal Faulk.

Keep in mind that we're over the cap. If we bring in Laine, we have to send out enough to get him signed and we can't count on a 4x6 thing.

 

[MinJaBen]

On top of the defense issue if Hamilton is moved, we don't send out nearly enough salary in a Hamilton/Necas/pick deal for Laine. We'd save less than $7 million and that would just put us in the same jam as everyone else with their RFAs.

We've got to either dump Reimer or include McGinn somehow in order to clear enough space to sign Laine. That's why I was offering Reimer and No. 2 for Brossoit as part of my deal.

Yes, that would still be an issue and this might be a way they fix it, but my guess is that the front office didn't sign Priske for no reason. I think they'd make up the salary by also moving TvR in some deal separately. Hell, the Jets lost two defenders and they may want TvR as well.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Agreed except we're now second in the league in cap hit after Toronto. We'd be in the same boat as them trying to fit these guys under the cap.

And they have ltir options we don’t.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I honestly think my deal is better for us, for a few reasons. No. 1, clearing Reimer is huge. No. 2, Broissoit is actually a perfect backup goalie for us, signed at a reasonable rate for one season. No. 3, we trade Faulk instead of Hamilton, duh. No. 4, we need to clear more cap than just Hamilton to add Laine.

I'd actually even consider Hamilton, Necas, Reimer, first-round pick, second-round pick for Laine/Broissoit, but obviously, I'd prefer to deal Faulk.

Keep in mind that we're over the cap. If we bring in Laine, we have to send out enough to get him signed and we can't count on a 4x6 thing.

Deal! I'll send over the paperwork.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

CF has the team at ~$1.5 mil over the cap with a 24 man roster. Subtract Bishop, Gibbons and Forsling and they're ~$.75 mil under. Swapping Reimer for Nedeljkovic adds a little over 300k.

The FO has some flexibility here. That may mean Fleury on the wing in the event of a short-term injury up front. There's no need to force anything for cap reasons at this point. That's nice.

 

[My Special Purpose]

It's weird, because we're used to not even looking at the right side of the menu, but any deals we make from here on out have to be on a dollar-in, dollar-out basis. Welcome to the reality of being a cap team.

 

[emptyNedder]

I think they'd make up the salary by also moving TvR in some deal separately.

Unless all this trade activity is driven by Tulsky. He might really like the Evolving Wild WAR. Remember TVR was pretty close to Slavin. Perhaps the plan is to have Slavin/Pesce reunited with Gardiner and TVR as the second pairing—4 of the top 30 WAR in the past 3 years if I remember correctly. Then a third pairing with some NHL experience (Fleury/Forsling) with Priskie/Bean/Sellgren.

Moving out both Faulk and Hamilton clears more than enough space for Laine—or someone who Tulsky likes better.

I really have no idea what the Gardiner acquisition means. So I making stuff up. But the one place Gardiner is prominent is in the WAR table.

 

[SlavinAway]

Moving out both Faulk and Hamilton clears more than enough space for Laine—or someone who Tulsky likes better.

I really have no idea what the Gardiner acquisition means. So I making stuff up. But the one place Gardiner is prominent is in the WAR table.

WAR! What is it good for?!

I’ll see myself out...

 

[A Star is Burns]

CF has the team at ~$1.5 mil over the cap with a 24 man roster. Subtract Bishop, Gibbons and Forsling and they're ~$.75 mil under. Swapping Reimer for Nedeljkovic adds a little over 300k.

The FO has some flexibility here. That may mean Fleury on the wing in the event of a short-term injury up front. There's no need to force anything for cap reasons at this point. That's nice.

 

[Negan4Coach]

I'm totally NOT disgusted with this. Yay!

 

[RodTheBawd]

What the f*** is this world we're living in?

 

[Richard88]

With Gardiner in Carolina now, that likely puts Faulk on the block. With that in mind, what would be a reasonable return for Faulk + Reimer from Colorado?

Colorado could use another RHD to balance the defence, as only Makar and Johnson are RHD's on the roster. Timmins & Meloche need another year in the AHL, so Faulk for a year would fit well in the meantime.

Carolina were reported at the time of the Reimer/Darling trade to be looking to flip Reimer, and Colorado are one of few teams who have a need for a veteran No.3 goalie AND capspace to acquire Reimer's $3.4m for 2 years, and/or Faulk's $4.83m hit.

Specifically, Colorado currently has $15.6m space. Assuming that Rantanen signs for ~$9.5m, that would leave ~$6.1m in space. Reimer ($3.4m) + Faulk ($4.83m) combined are $8.23m, so Avs would need to open about $2.1m to make it work. That could be found by for example including Connauton ($1.375m) or Barberio ($1.45m) in the trade and sending Nichuskin down ($850k).

A trade around Reimer + 2nd +3rd for Barberio/Graves/Connauton has been discussed earlier this summer and seemed reasonable to both fan bases, give or take a round or two in the value of picks. For reference I also wrote a detailed post outlining why a trade like that would make sense for both sides here:

Reimer + 3rd + 3rd <---> Barberio

• $3.4m / 2 years <-----> $1.45m / 1 year

From Carolina's perspective:

• Nedeljkovic just won the Calder Cup and deserves a chance at No.2 in net for them.

• Trading Reimer and promoting Nedeljkovic would ease the log-jam at AHL level. Going forwards Carolina would still have Forsling / Booth / Helvig in the AHL.

• There's a risk involved with going with an inexperienced No.2, but Mrazek is an experienced NHL goaltender and would help Nedeljkovic settle in the NHL.

• Carolina has the assets with 3 2020 3rd round picks (and 6 picks in the first 3 rounds).

• Carolina only has 6 defenseman on their NHL roster, so Barberio would be nice insurance to add as 7D.

• Carolina is a small-market team who operate on gate receipts, and are going to be paying out big on Aho's signing bonuses after matching his offersheet. Getting out of Reimer's $3.4m would make financial sense for them in the short-term.

• There was noise about Carolina looking to flip Reimer immediately when they acquired him:

From Colorado's perspective:

• Colorado needs an experienced NHL-calibre goaltender as No.3 to insulate Grubauer/Francouz and support Werner in the AHL. Reimer ticks these boxes.

• They have a gluttony of depth defenseman (Barberio/Connauton/Graves/Rosén/MacDonald) along with some younger guys looking to make the team (Timmins/Byram/Meloche), so moving a depth defenseman to fill a need makes sense.

• Colorado will have around $5-8m in capspace this season after signing their remaining RFA's, and can easily afford to take on Reimer's cap hit.

• In summer 2020 Barrie's retention ($2.75m) and Orpik's buyout ($1.5m) open up another $4.25m in capspace, meaning that Avs can afford to take on the 2nd year of Reimer's $3.4m contract as well. In 2020 Colorado's only significant contracts up for renewal are Jost; Girard; Zadorov; and Francouz, and Colorado should have more than enough capspace to resign them even with Reimer on the books.

• Colorado lack a 2020 2nd pick so I could see them pushing for a 2nd here instead of two 3rds, but with these 2 3rds they could package them (perhaps with their other 3rd) in another trade to get a 2nd.

Now, building on the suggestion in the quoted post above, perhaps a trade could work with Faulk included instead of the picks? That is, Reimer + Faulk for Barberio/Connauton (+pick?)

That might be a bit underwhelming for Faulk in isolation, but it would get Carolina out of Reimer's contract and get some cap relief. Maybe Colorado would need to include a pick as well to make it work, but as a basis for a trade I think it works well for both sides.

From Carolina's perspective:



Carolina is currently $1.55m over the cap, and a trade like the one mentioned would see them gain about $6.8m in capspace ($8.23m from Reimer/Faulk, minus $1.375 / $1.45 for Connauton or Barberio), leaving them about $5.25m under the cap, which they could to make some other moves, like adding another forward for example. Carolina's defense would then look like this:

Slavin - Hamilton
Gardiner - Pesce
Forsling - Van Riemsdyk
(+ Fleury, Priskie, and one of Connauton/Barberio)

• Mrazek
• Nedeljkovic

• Forsberg
• Helvig
• Booth

From Colorado's perspective:



For Colorado it would really solidify two positions of need in one go (i.e. 3rd pair RHD, and veteran No.3 goalie), without giving up anything significant other than capspace (for 2 years in Reimer's case), a depth defenseman, and maybe a pick. Colorado defense would then look like this:

Girard - Makar
Zadorov - Johnson
Cole/Byram - Faulk
(+ 3 of Barberio / Connauton / Rosén / Graves)

• Grubauer
• Francouz

• Reimer
• Werner

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So, with all that said, to reiterate:

What would be a reasonable return for Faulk + Reimer from Colorado?

Would Reimer + Faulk for Barberio/Connauton (+pick?) work?

 

[NotOpie]

Another week, another headline. As is tradition.

Also, holy ****.

I think you will have to wait for next week's installment of "Canes stay in the news" for that. this week's headline is already sorted, in grand fashion.

We got a 2-fer with the JWilly thing and now the Gardiner signing.....can't stop, won't stop!

This is fun. We should enjoy it, though. This offseason is definitely different. It's not always going to be like this.

Why? It might be....

I'm not. If I'm Winnipeg, I'm insisting that Svech is involved, and that's a non-starter for Carolina. I don't think we get Laine for four quarters. I was commenting about the Faulk NTC only. I think if it becomes obvious he's being passed-over here and losing his job on the PP, he's far less likely to block *any* trade, seeing as how he's entering his UFA season and needs to establish himself.

I just don't think the team will put itself in that salary cap position with a Laine acquisition....between Necas and Svech, I believe the front office sees a few more "affordable" years at nearly the same production (combined, of course).

My guess is if Faulk would be moved to Winnipeg, the return would be a pick plus something like Jack Roslovic. He's a 22 yr. old, right shot center/RW who definitely has some offensive upside. And, he's still waiver exempt.

My guess is if Faulk is moved out, we're taking little to no salary back.

Also, I think the team is quite comfortable with Reimer penciled in as our 1B or #2 goalie. There was probably some thought of moving him earlier, but he's a pretty good option behind Mrazek, given that we don't have 100% surety in Petr's consistency.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

Wings fan who has always had a soft spot for the Canes.

Great signing. Think you’re here to stay

 

[emptyNedder]

My guess is if Faulk would be moved to Winnipeg, the return would be a pick plus something like Jack Roslovic. He's a 22 yr. old, right shot center/RW who definitely has some offensive upside. And, he's still waiver exempt.

I think a right-shot who is another speedster would be a decent return. Though I would think Winnipeg would also need to move salary if they obtain Faulk and re-sign both Laine and Connor.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

With Gardiner in Carolina now, that likely puts Faulk on the block. With that in mind, what would be a reasonable return for Faulk + Reimer from Colorado?

Colorado could use another RHD to balance the defence, as only Makar and Johnson are RHD's on the roster. Timmins & Meloche need another year in the AHL, so Faulk for a year would fit well in the meantime.

Carolina were reported at the time of the Reimer/Darling trade to be looking to flip Reimer, and Colorado are one of few teams who have a need for a veteran No.3 goalie AND capspace to acquire Reimer's $3.4m for 2 years, and/or Faulk's $4.83m hit.

Specifically, Colorado currently has $15.6m space. Assuming that Rantanen signs for ~$9.5m, that would leave ~$6.1m in space. Reimer ($3.4m) + Faulk ($4.83m) combined are $8.23m, so Avs would need to open about $2.1m to make it work. That could be found by for example including Connauton ($1.375m) or Barberio ($1.45m) in the trade and sending Nichuskin down ($850k).

A trade around Reimer + 2nd +3rd for Barberio/Graves/Connauton has been discussed earlier this summer and seemed reasonable to both fan bases, give or take a round or two in the value of picks. For reference I also wrote a detailed post outlining why a trade like that would make sense for both sides here:



Now, building on the suggestion in the quoted post above, perhaps a trade could work with Faulk included instead of the picks? That is, Reimer + Faulk for Barberio/Connauton (+pick?)

That might be a bit underwhelming for Faulk in isolation, but it would get Carolina out of Reimer's contract and get some cap relief. Maybe Colorado would need to include a pick as well to make it work, but as a basis for a trade I think it works well for both sides.

From Carolina's perspective:



Carolina is currently $1.55m over the cap, and a trade like the one mentioned would see them gain about $6.8m in capspace ($8.23m from Reimer/Faulk, minus $1.375 / $1.45 for Connauton or Barberio), leaving them about $5.25m under the cap, which they could to make some other moves, like adding another forward for example. Carolina's defense would then look like this:

Slavin - Hamilton
Gardiner - Pesce
Forsling - Van Riemsdyk
(+ Fleury, Priskie, and one of Connauton/Barberio)

• Mrazek
• Nedeljkovic

• Forsberg
• Helvig
• Booth

From Colorado's perspective:



For Colorado it would really solidify two positions of need in one go (i.e. 3rd pair RHD, and veteran No.3 goalie), without giving up anything significant other than capspace (for 2 years in Reimer's case), a depth defenseman, and maybe a pick. Colorado defense would then look like this:

Girard - Makar
Zadorov - Johnson
Cole/Byram - Faulk
(+ 3 of Barberio / Connauton / Rosén / Graves)

• Grubauer
• Francouz

• Reimer
• Werner

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So, with all that said, to reiterate:

What would be a reasonable return for Faulk + Reimer from Colorado?

Would Reimer + Faulk for Barberio/Connauton (+pick?) work?

Unless we have another huge move in the works (like, Laine huge), why would we need “cap relief” from Reimer and why would we give away Faulk to get it when we could trade Faulk for like a 2nd and get “cap relief” from his contract? Even without a Faulk trade the team fits neatly right under the cap as is. We just don’t really need this.

 

[Richard88]

Unless we have another huge move in the works (like, Laine huge), why would we need “cap relief” from Reimer and why would we give away Faulk to get it when we could trade Faulk for like a 2nd and get “cap relief” from his contract? Even without a Faulk trade the team fits neatly right under the cap as is. We just don’t really need this.

A move for a forward is what I had in mind. That's why I said "leaving them [i.e. Carolina] about $5.25m under the cap, which they could to make some other moves, like adding another forward for example."

Maybe Kreider, Laine, Hoffman, Schenn?

Whatever the case it seems like Faulk is the odd one out on what was already a pretty stacked D even before Gardiner signed.

Whether it's with Reimer included or not, I think Colorado is a feasible trade partner. What would you want from Colorado for Faulk only? Ideally we'd want to send a depth LHD back, but I'd guess that you'd want like a 2nd+ as the main part of the deal?

How about Faulk for Barberio + Kamenev + 2nd?

 

[zman77]

 

[zman77]

 

[SlavinAway]

A move for a forward is what I had in mind. That's why I said "leaving them [i.e. Carolina] about $5.25m under the cap, which they could to make some other moves, like adding another forward for example."

Maybe Kreider, Laine, Hoffman, Schenn?

Whatever the case it seems like Faulk is the odd one out on what was already a pretty stacked D even before Gardiner signed.

Whether it's with Reimer included or not, I think Colorado is a feasible trade partner. What would you want from Colorado for Faulk only? Ideally we'd want to send a depth LHD back, but I'd guess that you'd want like a 2nd+ as the main part of the deal?

How about Faulk for Barberio + Kamenev + 2nd?

There’s no way we take back a D of any sort. And if we’re going big game hunting we will need to use our excess D as part of that package.

 

[Mathios]

If his back helps, this could very well be one of the best D contracts in the league.

And yet, it’s not even the second best D contract ON THIS TEAM.

Feels good caniacs, feels good.

 

[spockBokk]

A move for a forward is what I had in mind. That's why I said "leaving them [i.e. Carolina] about $5.25m under the cap, which they could to make some other moves, like adding another forward for example."

Maybe Kreider, Laine, Hoffman, Schenn?

Whatever the case it seems like Faulk is the odd one out on what was already a pretty stacked D even before Gardiner signed.

Whether it's with Reimer included or not, I think Colorado is a feasible trade partner. What would you want from Colorado for Faulk only? Ideally we'd want to send a depth LHD back, but I'd guess that you'd want like a 2nd+ as the main part of the deal?

How about Faulk for Barberio + Kamenev + 2nd?

No need for any D coming back to CAR, pls try to grasp that with any future proposals.

 

[Richard88]

There’s no way we take back a D of any sort. And if we’re going big game hunting we will need to use our excess D as part of that package.

Fair enough. I could definitely see Canes trying to make a move for Laine, and Winnipeg does need RHD's now that they've lost Trouba and Myers so they could be a good potential trade partner.

Looking at your cap situation I'm sure you could get back to being compliant with some fringe roster moves (seeing as it's only $1.5m over), but to fit Laine in you'd need to move considerably more than Faulk in terms of cap.

With that in mind, Reimer + 2nd + 3rd to Colorado for a prospect/depth player/bag of pucks seems like a good move to make space, as it would save you $8.23m (Reimer $3.4m and Faulk's $4.83), which would go a long way to making room for Laine (assuming that Faulk goes to Winnipeg).

Carolina has 6 picks in the first 3 rounds in 2020, including 2 1sts, and if you could entice Winnipeg to accept a futures deal for Laine with a collection of the many picks plus Faulk, that would be huge for you. In that case I'd also be happy if Colorado could leverage the extra capspace to pick up some picks and plug that No.3 goalie spot with Reimer.

Faulk would probably need to waive for Winnipeg though right? He might like that option though as he's sure to get plenty of ice-time there in a contract year.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Pretty sure all wives are Jedi knights. There really isn't any other explanation.

 

[NotOpie]

I'm also wondering if the RHD that ultimately goes on the block is TVR. He's very solid, much better than some assume. He cannot, however, play his off side very well....not that it matters on this team. However, I could see him being the odd man out. Which would then truly give us a stacked defense that looked something like:

Slavin/Hamilton
Gardiner/Pesce
Fleury/Faulk
McKeown

That's a pretty solid group.