Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[Redux91]

Where are you getting the sense I'm married to anything Michkov is other than a blue chip elite prospect. With great upside?

And if you think there's isn't concrete viable options available to all in the top 4 of this draft, I dunno what to tell you.

So then this... is your first time following a draft..?

Oh and where I'm "getting the sense" from you would be ohhh I don't know, pages 300 to 357 of this thread lol

 

[HabbyGuy]

So then this... is your first time following a draft..?

Say what now?

 

[HabbyGuy]

So then this... is your first time following a draft..?

Oh and where I'm "getting the sense" from you would be ohhh I don't know, pages 300 to 357 of this thread lol

Point to me one post where I gave any inclination to that and I'll give you a cookie, deal?

 

[Redux91]

Say what now?

You cannot guarantee us concrete viable options in drafts.

I know you think you can. But you can't.

 

[HabbyGuy]

You cannot guarantee us concrete viable options in drafts.

I know you think you can. But you can't.

LOL this doesn't make sense. Concrete as in solid. You do realize words can have different connotations in the english language right?

 

[ottawa]

The habs are a team that generally play it "safe" and that is why I doubt they will pick Michkov if he is available at 5.
Playing it safe however has never worked with this team in more than a generation now.30 years and counting without a cup.
Hab's fans are starved for talent and potential exciting players like Michkov,Drouin even though he flopped and Kovalev years back.
We idolize them, but this generation of hab's fans rarely get any players to be excited about unlike the glory days of the past.
I think picking a guy like Michkov with so many question marks surrounding him would actually be a wise decision as it would inject a huge amount of excitement and anticipation into the fanbase that would equal that of a stanley cup in many ways
There have been so many dismal years recently, that we need something to energize us and while choosing a safe player like Leonard,Reinbacher or Benson would be "sensible", it would just me more of the status quo in many ways.

This board has only been with us for 1 draft and they did anything but play it safe last year lol...throw in the Romanov for 13th for Dach trade on top of the Slaf pick and it just shows that they're not afraid to go against the grain to get who they want.

 

[417]

I keep trying to put myself in the shoes of Hughes ahead of this draft

And if Michkov is available @ 5, and I consider who we’ve drafted in the 1st round the last 2 years (Mailloux, Slafkovsky),…man

I don’t envy Hughes if he’s in that position.

That’s a lot of risk/reward in 3 consecutive years.

 

[ReHabs]

God I can't believe that scouts have actually convinced themselves to pick the guy with 30% fewer points than his linemate at 1st overall. If this guy with 75pts has such great "tools" and "upside", isn't it a problem that he finished 30 points behind his linemate???? Don't they know these players are linemates so that means the guy with 105 points is better??????????
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Exceptions are exceptions. It’s not reasonable to dismiss any criticism or doubt about your preferred player just because you’ve convinced yourself you prefer him.

I thought it was Reinbacher, now it’s Leonard huh?

 

[The Real Timo]

I'd take Michkov in a heartbeat. Not like any of the other ones not named Bedard will make NHL sooner than Michkov.

 

[HabbyGuy]

@Redux91 are you laughing at my posts because you're attempts have been refuted, or are you admitting you're trolling me?

I'm still waiting for clarification. Your cookie awaits. Looks good no?

 

[sheed36]

I guess the Caps may think Michkov could be gone before they pick @ 8th, if he's the guy they really want and if you also believe that tweet from Pagnotta.

 

[waitin425]

I guess the Caps may think Michkov could be gone before they pick @ 8th, if he's the guy they really want and if you also believe that tweet from Pagnotta.

Florida 1st for Carter Hart?

 

[Redux91]

LOL this doesn't make sense. Concrete as in solid. You do realize words can have different connotations in the english language right?

Yes, thank you for the lesson!
So concrete viable options, where viable means feasible, and feasible means possible.. so "solid possible option" yes yes , words can be magical.
Now, according to you (trust me), there are only and ONLY 3 "solid possible options" at 5 not named Connor Bedard or Matvei Michkov.
I'd just like to know who drew the line in the sand that everybody not named "Leo Carlsson, Will Smith, Adam Fantilli" is NOT a "solid possible option" to draft if we don't take Michkov?
I mean they're "solid" options yeah, but they're not Michkov are they?

So why can't Columbus take Michkov..?
Why can't San Jose take Michkov...?
OH right! Because they have "solid possible options" that they hope pan out..?
What's Montreal's excuse! Right!?
...


So it's just Michkov or an ocean of bums and busts for us I guess.

@Redux91 are you laughing at my posts because you're attempts have been refuted, or are you admitting you're trolling me?

I'm still waiting for clarification. Your cookie awaits. Looks good no?

Uhh are you okay dude? It ain't a competition, youve been going a little wild the passed couple days, especially obsessing over the Michkov situation like youre Frank Grimes or something
Lol do some breathing exercises, it's just HF draft season

Tho I will admit in your defense, this year is turning out WAAAY worse than last year holy shit lol

 

[HabbyGuy]

Yes, thank you for the lesson!
So concrete viable options, where viable means feasible, and feasible means possible.. so "solid possible option" yes yes , words can be magical.
Now, according to you (trust me), there are only and ONLY 3 "solid possible options" at 5 not named Connor Bedard or Matvei Michkov.
I'd just like to know who drew the line in the sand that everybody not named "Leo Carlsson, Will Smith, Adam Fantilli" is NOT a "solid possible option" to draft if we don't take Michkov?
I mean they're "solid" options yeah, but they're not Michkov are they?

So why can't Columbus take Michkov..?
Why can't San Jose take Michkov...?
OH right! Because they have "solid possible options" that they hope pan out..?
What's Montreal's excuse! Right!?
...


So it's just Michkov or an ocean of bums and busts for us I guess.

Wtf are you talking about? Ofcourse any of them can take Michkov, hence the term "options" Any of the top 5 would be great options for the 2nd 3rd or 4th pick. sans Bedard who'd clearly be the only option at 1 at this juncture. When you get to 5 these options disappear atleast in this tier.

I don't understand what you're saying.

 

[Redux91]

God I can't believe that scouts have actually convinced themselves to pick the guy with 30% fewer points than his linemate at 1st overall. If this guy with 75pts has such great "tools" and "upside", isn't it a problem that he finished 30 points behind his linemate???? Don't they know these players are linemates so that means the guy with 105 points is better??????????
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I've brought up the "Drouin/Mackinnon" parallel before lol
There's definitely something there I find when it comes to Leonard and Smith

I just can't give that much props to Smith for getting extra apples in 10-1 win blowouts vs 16 yr olds
And then knock Leonard who scores the u18 OT Golden goal but only had 1 pt in the game..

 

[Runner77]

I keep trying to put myself in the shoes of Hughes ahead of this draft

And if Michkov is available @ 5, and I consider who we’ve drafted in the 1st round the last 2 years (Mailloux, Slafkovsky),…man

I don’t envy Hughes if he’s in that position.

That’s a lot of risk/reward in 3 consecutive years.

Would align with how we heard Hughes was aggressively pursuing moving up.

Although, if you were really in his shoes, you’d also be eying that nice lump sum Hughes got from selling his partnership shares and probably thinking to yourself, do I really need this shit.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I understand questions need to be answered, all you're doing is basically pointing out the reasons that have already been established as to why we're even having this discussion.

If they find out his intentions are to come here as soon as possible (3 years) which I'd feel most would think much more likely than not. That it would be a huge obstacle removed. Further more I have seen you support opinion that's it's reasonable to have to wait 6 years for Leonard to hit his ceiling (Matthew Tkachuk) and yet somehow use this 3 year wait on Michkov as a deterrent. Which I personally find conflicting in your opine that you're not a detractor. Or atleast at the minimum hypocritical.

Secondly these so called character issues will very comfortably be clarified via the habs connections in Russia and through the interview process, this should be he easiest of things to obtain and work on. So if anyone will have a handle on this it will be our habs.

Using Apron's explanation as reason why we might pass is laughable because they don't make sense. His defensive deficiency should be the least of our concerns versus his offensive potential. Defense can be taught, elite offensive Hockey sense not so much. I don't care how big he is, that's easily worked around aswell.


Well you shouldn't have concerns for me. I am a great believer in Hughes and company. (sans Molson) I have expressed many times my trust in him Gorton and MSL and their judgement. So if they pass I'm expecting rock solid reasons as to why they would.

They would have to be, that's my point. Up til now I haven't seen or heard any reason clear enough as to why he shouldn't be the obvious choice.

The reasons why they may be trepidatious are clearly understandable, but without these concrete answers, these issues on the surface at this time, shouldn't supercede the reward staring at them right in the face. It would seem to me all these so called "issues" could be clearly assertained and worked on, if all seems copacetic after due dilligence.

OK but the reasons we are having this discussion is because those things matter and those things make up the risk profile of Matvei Michkov.

If the interview goes really well and they like the player and they have no concerns, then the risk profile can change but we are discussing based on what we know today and what we know today is that there is still a high risk profile attached to Michkov otherwise, if his perceived upside was a universal truth, he would not be in a discussion for our pick at all, right?

And I didn't support any opinion on Leonard taking 6 years but for reference, it took 7 years for Kucherov to score PPG, and Kaprizov wasn't even in the NHL 6 years after his draft year.. so I'm not sure why Michkov gets billed as immediately being a PPG+ superstar as soon as he comes over from the KHL, no one knows that and it's highly likely he has to adjust and develop in the NHL as well. The difference being that for 3 (and maybe more) years of that, the Canadiens or any other team have 0 control over his development and that is an issue for teams, whether you think so or not.

The character concerns might be clarified, they might not be, but again, those questions are there and have to be answered and remain part of the risk attached to Michkov.

I think based on the balance of everything we've seen and heard on Michkov it's not as simple as just picking the offensive talent. There are a myriad of questions and uncertainty about his contract, Russia itself, him as an individual, and his overall play as a hockey player.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Yes, thank you for the lesson!
So concrete viable options, where viable means feasible, and feasible means possible.. so "solid possible option" yes yes , words can be magical.
Now, according to you (trust me), there are only and ONLY 3 "solid possible options" at 5 not named Connor Bedard or Matvei Michkov.
I'd just like to know who drew the line in the sand that everybody not named "Leo Carlsson, Will Smith, Adam Fantilli" is NOT a "solid possible option" to draft if we don't take Michkov?
I mean they're "solid" options yeah, but they're not Michkov are they?

So why can't Columbus take Michkov..?
Why can't San Jose take Michkov...?
OH right! Because they have "solid possible options" that they hope pan out..?
What's Montreal's excuse! Right!?
...


So it's just Michkov or an ocean of bums and busts for us I guess.


Uhh are you okay dude? It ain't a competition, youve been going a little wild the passed couple days, especially obsessing over the Michkov situation like youre Frank Grimes or something
Lol do some breathing exercises, it's just HF draft season

Tho I will admit in your defense, this year is turning out WAAAY worse than last year holy shit lol

I'm nearly defending my stance from people coming at me with false accusations, or nonsensical takes. Is this wrong?

I have one guy saying I've compared Michkov to Gretzky, I got you saying I'm married to Michkov being a superstar. None of this is remotely true.

If you feel there are better options without knowing the full truth of Michkov's complexities, at 5, I'd have every right to question it.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I've brought up the "Drouin/Mackinnon" parallel before lol
There's definitely something there I find when it comes to Leonard and Smith

I just can't give that much props to Smith for getting extra apples in 10-1 win blowouts vs 16 yr olds
And then knock Leonard who scores the u18 OT Golden goal but only had 1 pt in the game..

I have them pretty even, with Smith having the higher ceiling and Leonard the surer bet, which I'm sure is not an unpopular opinion. I wouldn't really be mad either way, though Leonard would probably be a better fit at this point. I think for me it's one of the rare instances where BPA is so close that I actually would go for fit.

That being said, BPA is less close if Michkov is on the board

 

[Team_Spirit]

Move in he top 4 or cry yourself to sleep, Daniel Briere.

Matvei is ours.

 

[Redux91]

I'm nearly defending my stance from people coming at me with false accusations, or nonsensical takes. Is this wrong?

Nope, keep it up kiddo. You do you.
Just try not to freak out on here too much if they don't take Michkov is all I'm saying , which is a very highly likely outcome.
I don't know if you've ever heard the expression "is this the hill you want to die on" but I just hope you got enough ammo for that AR lol

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

hopefully he's right

 

[HabbyGuy]

Nope, keep it up kiddo. You do you.
Just try not to freak out on here too much if they don't take Michkov is all I'm saying , which is a very highly likely outcome.
I don't know if you've ever heard the expression "is this the hill you want to die on" but I just hope you got enough ammo for that AR lol

LOL I've already stated at this time without all the information that Michkov at 5 is a hill I'm willing to die on. So in essence my line in the sand has been drawn. It's called conviction. I would hope Hughes has the same conviction when he steps up to the podium when he selects whomever he chooses.

And I always do me. I can't be anyone else. I the person will be fine with whatever happens draft day. The hockey fan if not Matvei disappointed. Thanks for the exchange.

As you can see I got plenty of ammo.

 

[Runner77]

I think based on the balance of everything we've seen and heard on Michkov it's not as simple as just picking the offensive talent. There are a myriad of questions and uncertainty about his contract, Russia itself, him as an individual, and his overall play as a hockey player.

That myriad of uncertainty has a lot us doing what we normally don’t like to do, which is welcome an appeal to authority. There are so many variables that go into this as you’ve stated but the act of evaluating them and managing risk is beyond the scope of those who don’t have access to the team’s due diligence results.

Hopefully no fans come back with “I told you so” after all is said and done — none of us will be held accountable one way or the other.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That myriad of uncertainty has a lot us doing what we normally don’t like to do, which is welcome an appeal to authority. There are so many variables that go into this as you’ve stated but the act of evaluating them and managing risk is beyond the scope of those who don’t have access to the team’s due diligence results.

Hopefully no fans come back with “I told you so” after all is said and done — none of us will be held accountable one way or the other.

That's really where I've been trying to stay this whole time.

We don't and can't have all the information.. this isn't a situation where you are looking at a couple prospects in a normal environment and you can pit your hockey analysis against the team.

We will not be able to interview Michkov or talk to anyone around him. Most teams haven't been able to do that -yet- and it's 6 days until the first round. This isn't using the 25th pick on Kuznetsov, or the 16th pick on Tarasenko, this is using a top 5 pick in one of the deepest top end of a draft we've seen.