Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[HabbyGuy]

oh yeah absolutely. @MadMslm summed it up pretty well. Mailloux has higher offensive upside I'd say. Reinbacher's D is much much better.

I think Reinbacher's a guy that can put up solid point totals while not being super flashy by just making smart plays. Good stretch passes from what I've seen. Plus he rushes the puck pretty well. He was only .06 (or something close to that) less PPG than Josi's at the same age and same league. Reinbacher's offence will likely never be elite but 40-50 is doable from what I can see while giving you prime shut down D. His advanced stats I think are better than Seider's at the same age.

He just projects really really well. Not a lot of flash but just rock solid.

Rock solid top 4 imo, top 2 is his absolute ceiling if EVERYTHING and I mean everything goes to his optimal development. And not worth the 5th pick in this draft, that's a reach to me when what we need is some dynamic offense up front. Especially in a draft lauded for it's high skill forward depth in it's first round. Specifically top 5.

We're very likely not going to pick this high again in the near future as we move along with our rebuild. (unless we get lucky with Calgary's pick) It would behoove us to strike now for that forward help and grab a D next year in a draft considered deep in defensemen.

Taking Reinbacher imo, who, while solid, is a step backwards or a stagnant move at best at 5. When you consider our young D depth is our greatest strength. I like Reinbacher and he would look good in our pipeline, a solid pick, but just not at this cost, it would be a wasted opportunity.

Again, in my opinion.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I appreciate the negativity and skepticism but at some point it has to end no? Team is literally rebuilding for the first time in my lifetime give it some time. I've been the biggest negative nancy for like 20 years with this team but to see you keep trucking on truly puts my past negativity to shame.

I tip my hat to you sir

It's not negativity , I have been pretty positive from all the trades that Hugues did since he arrived , but I've been saying it before they drafted last season that picking Slaf was an horrendous idea because he proved absolutely nothing.
Like I mentionned before many times , they also rushed his development to sell tickets. Instead of sitting him 1-2 years in the AHL and sending him to the world junior where everyone else except him went , that's terrible management.

I don't care if they rebuild , I don't care if they make trades to make the team better faster or try to fix a broken part by giving other assets.

All im asking is to get the BPA once for all. 90% of this board was punching air last draft when Stephane ''Idontknowprospect'' Leroux leaked the pick. Then people started to read the 500000 articles that pushed the narrative it was BPA.

I want BPA , rest I don't care. They could trade for Nurse while Shipping Gallagher and Paris Hilton blowup doll and I couldnt care less. Pick BPA that's all im asking.

If they want to trade the other 1st pick with 2nd picks for Dubois or whoever else , I don't care. Just don't fck it up like they always do.

Michkov or Smith at #5 that's all.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It's not negativity , I've been saying it before they drafted last season that picking Slaf was an horrendous idea because he proved absolutely nothing.
Like I mentionned before many times , they also rushed his development to sell tickets. Instead of sitting him 1-2 years in the AHL and sending him to the world junior where everyone else except him went , that's atrocious.

I don't care if they rebuild , I don't care if they make trades to make the team better faster or try to fix a broken part by giving other assets.

All im asking is to get the BPA once for all. 90% of this board was punching air last draft when Stephane ''Idontknowprospect'' Leroux leaked the pick. Then people started to read the 500000 articles that pushed the narrative it was BPA.

I want BPA , rest I don't care. They could trade for Nurse while Shipping Gallagher I couldnt care less. Pick BPA that's all im asking.

If they want to trade the other 1st pick with 2nd picks for Dubois or whoever else , I don't care. Just don't fck it up like they always do.

Michkov or Smith at #5 that's all.

But you'd be here crying if we took wright so you're entire paragraph is nonsense.

Or is it now Logan Cooley who was the obvious first overall pick duh , anyways dosent matter the narrative will change in 2-3 years and you will be saying whoever has the best career from that draft should have been picked first over slaf in hindsight and say you were right all along

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

But you'd be here crying if we took wright so you're entire paragraph is nonsense.

Or is it now Logan Cooley who was the obvious first overall pick duh , anyways dosent matter the narrative will change in 2-3 years and you will be saying whoever has the best career from that draft should have been picked first over slaf in hindsight and say you were right all along

I had #1 Wright #2 Cooley #3 Jiricek #4 Nemec #5 Gauthier and #6 Slaf. I wouldnt care if they picked any of the top 3 because that draft the BPA was not an obvious one. But once again they decided to go fancy.

I will not change my opinion in 2-3 years. If Wright flops Nemec is a 35 points dman with high % defensive abilties so be it.

Id rather go for the best player than missing the boat for things you can't control.

We pick Smith at 5 and he busts , I don't care. Atleast they picked BPA at #5.

That'S my reasoning. Im not gonna change the players I liked of 2022 draft because of some results of their developments. You have been reading my post for a while and you should know im not switching opinions every 2 games.

Im tired to have our best player barely getting 60 points a season while every other teams in the NHL get a PPG or close to one.

So yes if they pick Benson or Dvorak 2.0 at #5 im gonna go ham.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I always found the term BPA humorous. Aside for specific cases, BPA is all relative. There are a handful of players that can be taken at any rank, so BPA for one person is not BPA for another. So how do you agree who the BPA really is? You don't. Sure, one player will end up having a better career than the other, but at the moment of the draft, what constituted someone the BPA?

It definitely makes it fun to have the debates and interesting discussions. It would be boring if we didn't have that. But I simply find the term BPA pointless.

In 2019, when Habs were selecting 15th, you can argue Caufield was the BPA. However, Minnesota had the 12th pick and they had Boldy and Caufield available to them. Who is the BPA at that point? Some would have said Boldy, others would have said Caufield. Minnesota went with Boldy as their BPA. Minnesota doesn't regret that selection. They wouldn't have regretted if they took Caufield, either. But that's why I find the term BPA overused and in 99% of the cases, has no real meaning.

Same in 2020, Habs took Guhle at 16th. They had Dawson Mercer on the board at that pick. It can be argued that Mercer was the BPA (he's had a 40+ point rookie season last year and 50+ point sophomore season). So in the end, whether it was Guhle or Mercer, it can be argued either one could be the BPA at the moment of the pick.

 

[yianik]

Thoughts on us trading 5OA for Logan Cooley ?

 

[Omar]

Sounds very interesting. So a future lineup of?

Guhle - Reinbacher
Matheson - Mailloux
Xhekaj - Barron

No. If we draft a defenseman at 5 in this draft considering our depth, that’s a fireable offense.

 

[Omar]

Michkov’s talent is unquestioned. It’s all the noise that it’s surrounded with. Will he be here in 3 years? 5 years? More?

If it were just a matter of selecting a BPA, he wouldn’t even be available at our drafting slot. And might not even be, it’s murky at this point as some have him going at 4 or even slipping to the 6-10 drafting slots. What a quagmire.

Has a Russian player ever been held back from playing in the NHL? I don’t think there’s been a single instance.

Thoughts on us trading 5OA for Logan Cooley ?

The top 5 in this draft would have all gone 1st overall last year. If Cooley was drafted at 3, the value isn’t there for me.

 

[salbutera]

Thoughts on us trading 5OA for Logan Cooley ?

Can’t say that thought hasn’t crossed my mind….not sure what I’d do TBH - would need to reevaluate based on who’s available @ 5OA

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

No. If we draft a defenseman at 5 in this draft considering our depth, that’s a fireable offense.

We're not deep at the RD position. If Reinbacher is truly that #1 RD it wouldn't be a bad thing. I'm not saying that's what they will do, I'm just talking possibilities about that poster's idea. I personally want Michkov but I doubt he will be available. With Suzuki and Dach at center and with Beck coming up, why do we need Smith?

 

[26Mats]

I always found the term BPA humorous. Aside for specific cases, BPA is all relative. There are a handful of players that can be taken at any rank, so BPA for one person is not BPA for another. So how do you agree who the BPA really is? You don't. Sure, one player will end up having a better career than the other, but at the moment of the draft, what constituted someone the BPA?

It definitely makes it fun to have the debates and interesting discussions. It would be boring if we didn't have that. But I simply find the term BPA pointless.

In 2019, when Habs were selecting 15th, you can argue Caufield was the BPA. However, Minnesota had the 12th pick and they had Boldy and Caufield available to them. Who is the BPA at that point? Some would have said Boldy, others would have said Caufield. Minnesota went with Boldy as their BPA. Minnesota doesn't regret that selection. They wouldn't have regretted if they took Caufield, either. But that's why I find the term BPA overused and in 99% of the cases, has no real meaning.

Same in 2020, Habs took Guhle at 16th. They had Dawson Mercer on the board at that pick. It can be argued that Mercer was the BPA (he's had a 40+ point rookie season last year and 50+ point sophomore season). So in the end, whether it was Guhle or Mercer, it can be argued either one could be the BPA at the moment of the pick.

When I use the term I refer to BPA at the moment of the pick.

For example, when we had Weber and Petry, Timmins explicitly said they were targeting LD's. He drafted a ton of them. If, each time he drafted one, there was a pool of players that were indistinguishable in terms of long term projected level of impact as individual hockey players, then they were drafting BPA.

If on the other hand, they drafted a lesser individual talent LD because they thought they needed LD's to make them a better overall team, they weren't drafting BPA.

A problem with not drafting BPA is that if needs change by the time the player is ready for the NHL, then you drafted a lesser player if both players hit your projection. and/or you increase you chances of drafting a player that doesn't hit their projection, if what made the player a lesser prospect was having a lower probability of hitting their projection.

I would suspect we drafted KK despite having him in a lower tier than Tkachuk, because the feeling was getting a center was so important to the team need, that overall it would be better for the team. Also Timmins is only so strong at projecting forwards to begin with.

 

[Hacketts]

Cooley > Smith

Miracle this sh!t, trade it for him.

 

[Michoulicious]

Cooley > Smith

Miracle this sh!t, trade it for him.

If you thought Cooley had good stats in his D+1 in College with Snuggerud/Knies, just wait to see what Smith-Perreault-Leonard do in BC next year.

It will be crazy.

People are sleeping big time on Smith because he doesn't skate like Cooley, but IMO he is a way smarter player.

Two excellent prospects, but I would have drafted Smith ahead. Stats are not everything, but such a discrepancy is certainly something to notice.

 

[Canadienna]

I always found the term BPA humorous. Aside for specific cases, BPA is all relative. There are a handful of players that can be taken at any rank, so BPA for one person is not BPA for another. So how do you agree who the BPA really is? You don't. Sure, one player will end up having a better career than the other, but at the moment of the draft, what constituted someone the BPA?

It definitely makes it fun to have the debates and interesting discussions. It would be boring if we didn't have that. But I simply find the term BPA pointless.

In 2019, when Habs were selecting 15th, you can argue Caufield was the BPA. However, Minnesota had the 12th pick and they had Boldy and Caufield available to them. Who is the BPA at that point? Some would have said Boldy, others would have said Caufield. Minnesota went with Boldy as their BPA. Minnesota doesn't regret that selection. They wouldn't have regretted if they took Caufield, either. But that's why I find the term BPA overused and in 99% of the cases, has no real meaning.

Same in 2020, Habs took Guhle at 16th. They had Dawson Mercer on the board at that pick. It can be argued that Mercer was the BPA (he's had a 40+ point rookie season last year and 50+ point sophomore season). So in the end, whether it was Guhle or Mercer, it can be argued either one could be the BPA at the moment of the pick.

I disagree. I think the difference here is that while there's no objective BPA, your team has their BPA.

I think what fans mean when they say "pick BPA", is "pick the best player available, according to you and your scouts, without worrying about other things" (politics, position, team needs etc.).

 

[Doublechin]

Thoughts on us trading 5OA for Logan Cooley ?

I think Smith has more upside offensively bit Cooley might be a bit more polished overall bit why would Phoenix entertain this? Unless they go Smith at 5, Leonard at 6 and Perreault at 12. Can't blame them if that's the plan.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

I disagree. I think the difference here is that while there's no objective BPA, your team has their BPA.

I think what fans mean when they say "pick BPA", is "pick the best player available, according to you and your scouts, without worrying about other things" (politics, position, team needs etc.).

But then again, fans, without any inside knowledge, will claim that the team didn't pick their BPA all the time.

The only "recent" times we have any indication that Montreal didn't pick who they thought was BPA is MAYBE LeBlanc (nationality; although he was not a reach at this spot) and McCaron (size; although they probably thought he was BPA anyway even if they were wrong).

 

[Hacketts]

If you thought Cooley had good stats in his D+1 in College with Snuggerud/Knies, just wait to see what Smith-Perreault-Leonard do in BC next year.

It will be crazy.

People are sleeping big time on Smith because he doesn't skate like Cooley, but IMO he is a way smarter player.

Two excellent prospects, but I would have drafted Smith ahead. Stats are not everything, but such a discrepancy is certainly something to notice.

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I'll take Cooley in the playoffs, I'm not there with Smith yet.

Smith seems like he'll be a fantastic player, but I'm not completely sold on him.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Thoughts on us trading 5OA for Logan Cooley ?

Why do that when you can draft dvorsky

 

[Beer and Chips]

Smith plays with a stacked line on a stacked team, pretty easy to get points, no?

 

[SwiftyHab]

Thoughts on us trading 5OA for Logan Cooley ?

There’s a chance that Cooley never signs a contract with Arizona and we pick him up for free in 3 years. He already said no to an entry level deal this week when the referendum failed. I’d hold out on him.

 

[Michoulicious]

Smith plays with a stacked line on a stacked team, pretty easy to get points, no?

Same can be said of Cooley in Minnesota.

Smith/Perreault broke records this year in the program. He has almost 3 ppg in U18.

Gotta give credit at some points. He's an elite prospect, and it's no slight on Cooley to prefer Smith for his offensive upside.

 

[Kennerback]

Smith plays with a stacked line on a stacked team, pretty easy to get points, no?

Do your homework (if you haven’t already), compare all 3. Leonard and Perrault are outstanding but Smith is the offensive brain on that line.

Same can be said of Cooley in Minnesota.

Smith/Perreault broke records this year in the program. He has almost 3 ppg in U18.

Gotta give credit at some points. He's an elite prospect, and it's no slight on Cooley to prefer Smith for his offensive upside.

I prefer Cooley’s two way play, his knowledge of the center position, his skating and speed, everything else (includind stickhandling), Smith is superior.

 

[TomKosto]

There’s a chance that Cooley never signs a contract with Arizona and we pick him up for free in 3 years. He already said no to an entry level deal this week when the referendum failed. I’d hold out on him.

We are not the only one who's gonna want him if he becomes ufa...

I would do the trade but we should have picked him first OV last year..!

 

[Kennerback]

I'll take Cooley in the playoffs, I'm not there with Smith yet.

Smith seems like he'll be a fantastic player, but I'm not completely sold on him.

Focus on his passing and stick handling in tight and how he processes solutions to hit guys in the most favourable offensive positions. He does it over and over, game after game. No one else can do that.

He also has an unstoppable thirst to score. The downside is it still does affect his two-way play.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Thoughts on us trading 5OA for Logan Cooley ?

No just take Smith.