Post-Game Talk: Canadiens run into a brick Woll - Lose 7-3

[Non Player Canadiens]

You people and your f****** sample sizes. Here's an analysis based on a BIG sample - Samuel Montembeault sucks large time. The guy is horrible. Not money. Not clutch. Nowhere near what Montreal needs going forward. But meanwhile you folks are happy to say "Oh just you wait....Dobes will come back down to earth." It's like you f******* WANT Dobes to not excel, like it'll prove your little point or something. There's such a FAILURE CULTURE among Habs fans it makes me sick to my stomach. Honestly, I feel like puking my guts out sometimes reading some of the crap you people post. Failure culture is what it is.

this man so tilted by one game after 8-1-1 win streak

 

[zx81]

[sarcasm]

Heinaman injury was unknown and Pezz no longer good enough to play on this team was a complete suprise.

Or that we are playing Laffs and Rags.

Yup

[/sarcasm]

Hughes could of pulled Beck or Davidson out of the lineup days ago. In fact the day Heinamans injury was known, which was Thursday.

I've said this a thousand times....WINS don't matter for Laval. Only who is developed for the big club.

Totally agree. I don't know if they were blinded by the recent wins with Pezz in the lineup but that's piss poor management. Pezz doesn't even have the confidence of the coach so it's really puzzling. Maybe they thought he was their good luck charm.

We really miss Heineman.

 

[ReHabs]

Totally agree. I don't know if they were blinded by the recent wins with Pezz in the lineup but that's piss poor management. Pezz doesn't even have the confidence of the coach so it's really puzzling. Maybe they thought he was their good luck charm.

We really miss Heineman.

Part of being a "player-friendly" organization is not being so hasty with roster moves -- I figure their approach is: players are friends and good vibes matter especially when you're not a veteran, winning, heavy team. Until we raise our standards and expectations for results, I don't think we'll see Hughes cut players until they really have to. See how they handled Primeau. A contender wouldn't have given him so much rope. A contender probably wouldn't have given Dach so many opportunities and so much TOI either. Maybe a contender would've fired MSL after the horror-show to start the season. A 'rebuilding' team can afford to tolerate some of this.

 

[HabsAddict]

Let's be fair -- he's a rookie and the Leafs are a veteran team that is desperate to make their mark after years of failure and choking. They targeted Hutson with a specific gameplan, it seems, and MSL didn't take efforts to mitigate or protect against that. Call it a learning opportunity and an inflection point. Hutson won't be able to coast forever, if he's the real deal he'll adapt his game -- if he's not, all the better we don't find out too late, eh?

It's easier said than done but the prescription is simple: Hutson was always going to have to play a more efficient game (or "simplify his game" but I don't like that term) and MSL has long needed to add some tactical complexity to our gameplan. The playoffs are tough and we can't get through with just being well-drilled, which we are and hats off to MSL for bringing us here, but there is the in-game aspect too, and gamesmanship, and all the other stuff.

Does SMarty even recognize that the Laffs are targeting Hutson?

There was no reason in the world to keep playing Hutson in the second, with a 3 goal lead, when X and Savard were slapping and shutting them down.

Tactical complexity...when have you seen THAT from SMarty?

I give SMarty credit for learning on the job. He has changed since he started, but he still needs years and a few playoff series where he's turned into a biatch to figure out he can't will wins or infuse IQs.

As for Hutson, he needs to adopt but there is no chance in hell that he can adopt himself out of his shortcomings. He needs to be protected when he's targeted...and a coach who can think through the use of his players abilities.

 

[Hacketts]

sickening

 

[HabsAddict]

Agree except about Tuch... Not sure he would get any more ice time than Pez.

I think you gotta bring up Roy or Beck and play them on 3rd line with Evans/Armia until Heineman is back, or go out and add a decent vet bottom 6 player.

Id prefer the latter. A guy like Brandon Tanev would be a good target.

You got to bring up Beck just because you don't know if he can handle the NHL.

We don't want to be at the same place we were last year when Hughes assumed Mailloux was ready and traded Kovacevick. BIG MISTAKE. Two games is not enough to evaluate a player, yet that is all we did with Mailloux.

Bring up Beck and see if he's got the abilities to replace Dvo or Evans.

This is straight up Captain Obvious moves....

 

[sampollock]

Embarassing loss
Learning lose
Hudson mistake

 

[sampollock]

Stupid penalties

 

[LV426]

We were 8-1-1, we lose a stinker and everbodys on suicide watch.

Yeah, it was a punch in the gut, but these things happen. Monty stunk and Woll played great.

Some of you need to relax. We still in da mix.

 

[yianik]

I made chicken fajitas , came down to watch the game , out like a light. Woke up, thought damn. I see a text from a buddy " et le but, et let but and et le but". Wow I thought, then checked the score. Damn.

Sucks it was the Leafs, and at home. Otherwise , it's expected and going to happen even in the year we hoist the Cup again.

I hope its out of our system and the boys play well for Dobbie tomorrow as it's his home opener.

 

[Archijerej]

Funny thing is that I think we played a solid 2nd period. Had at least as many quality scoring chances as the Leafs and yet, we lost 0-2 and allowed them back into the game.

That said, you probably don't want to give up an odd man rush when up by 3 goals. It's the other team's job to make itself vulnerable to counterattacks.

 

[JianYang]

Game seemed to shift after that late 2nd period goal.... and to think that dvorak hit the crossbar right before the 3-1 goal.

Although the team has been red hot, they haven't really had a game in this run where they stomped all over someone for an early 3-0 lead. It was new territory.

Maybe this is a lesson learned for a young team because they clearly got rattled. That 3rd period was like old times with loose coverage.

If Dobes plays lights out tomorrow....

It won't happen unless the Habs tighten up again. Monty was left out to dry in the 3rd period.

 

[Lshap]

Yes, some of you nailed it: The world is ending. Montreal will never win another game. Montembeault is the worst goalie to ever play.

Seriously, crap the game out of your system and move on, instead of shoveling it back on your plate and eating it again.

 

[GrandBison]

That's for sure a team that has to learn to play with a lead. But they are right where HuGo predicted. As for Montembeault, looking at recent goalies signatures, it's expected that a 3.1M$ goalie is not stealing all the games.

 

[Andy]

I get some of the frustration, but a lot of the doom and gloom I’m reading here is so exaggerated.

The habs were unquestionably the better team in the first and second. They made the leafs look foolish. The only thing stopping a habs blowout was Woll.

In the third, the score is misleading because, ya the leafs scored 5, but they weren’t that much better than the habs. Monty just didn’t make key saves while Woll continued to just play out of his mind. The only thing stopping the habs from tying the game in the 3rd was Woll.

But because they blew a lead, didn’t get help from their goalie, everyone is now pushing weird narratives about MSL, the use of Pezz (like it even mattered), and are coming down heavy on their favorite scapegoats. But the reality is, the habs schooled the leafs for the majority of the game, but their goalie prevented a blowout, while our goalie couldn’t stop the expected Leafs 3rd period counter. Oh and Woll DID stop the habs counter in the 2nd half of the 3rd.

 

[OpenIceHit]

The difference was the goaltending. Woll was great and a bit lucky. Monty was a .900 goalie on a below average night.

 

[Ezpz]

To be expected when you start the backup.

 

[sampollock]

I would post this in the room
MSL you happy?

 

[morhilane]

That's a worst loss than I was expecting when I went to bed after 3-3. I actually expected OT...

When I went to bed, the high danger chances were 12 for the Habs and 6 for the Leafs. It finished 17-13. Expected goals were 3.73 for the Habs vs 3.63 for the Leafs by the end of the game. Monty let in twice the goals he should have. That's a putrid night for a goalie.

For people saying Monty has been good this year, he's also been very bad. He's been replaced 4 times in the first half of the season (last time in December) and looks like this should have been game #5, but since it's a b2b Marty probably decided against it. He's been very inconsistent.

People should expected them to lose more, I said it a few days ago, they were on the road for 16 games, that doesn't leave much time for "life distractions" impacting the players.

Finally, leave one inch to the Leafs and they will always rally. Habs forgot that, and MSL needs to fix PP2 or just play PP1, I don't know, goes with the next thing:

Dvorak & Gallagher are getting worse game by game. We have to move Dvorak.

Gallagher is running on fumes, Dvorak haven't been great all season long, but it didn't show that much when Gallagher was playing well on that line along Andy. Even Dvo's faceoffs were probably mostly thanks to Gally (faceoffs wins are awarded to the team who win possession).

 

[HespelerGreenFlash]

You people and your f****** sample sizes. Here's an analysis based on a BIG sample - Samuel Montembeault sucks large time. The guy is horrible. Not money. Not clutch. Nowhere near what Montreal needs going forward. But meanwhile you folks are happy to say "Oh just you wait....Dobes will come back down to earth." It's like you f******* WANT Dobes to not excel, like it'll prove your little point or something. There's such a FAILURE CULTURE among Habs fans it makes me sick to my stomach. Honestly, I feel like puking my guts out sometimes reading some of the crap you people post. Failure culture is what it is.

Youve been here on this board for what...ten minutes. Already you are sick to your stomach with posts on the board!! Take the f ... off . Telling good posters to "Sit down!" Sorry son.... you dont get to tell anyone when to stand or sit.
This team hasnt won a damn thing since 93, many years have been absolutley embarrasing for this proud franchise. Its not failure culture, its disappointment.
You seem to have some knowledge and are passionate about hockey but being a jerk is not going to add anything to this board.

Chill bro. ohh and welcome to the board!

 

[Zalos]

I get some of the frustration, but a lot of the doom and gloom I’m reading here is so exaggerated.

The habs were unquestionably the better team in the first and second. They made the leafs look foolish. The only thing stopping a habs blowout was Woll.

In the third, the score is misleading because, ya the leafs scored 5, but they weren’t that much better than the habs. Monty just didn’t make key saves while Woll continued to just play out of his mind. The only thing stopping the habs from tying the game in the 3rd was Woll.

But because they blew a lead, didn’t get help from their goalie, everyone is now pushing weird narratives about MSL, the use of Pezz (like it even mattered), and are coming down heavy on their favorite scapegoats. But the reality is, the habs schooled the leafs for the majority of the game, but their goalie prevented a blowout, while our goalie couldn’t stop the expected Leafs 3rd period counter. Oh and Woll DID stop the habs counter in the 2nd half of the 3rd.

Damn, it's so rare to see a thoughtful analysis of a Habs loss on here. Thanks! I agree.

 

[Laine5GoalGame]

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[sandviper]

I just view last night as a blown opportunity. The Leafs first goal was just bad luck with the crossbar and the puck going back the other way. Second goal was the end of a PK and not a bad deflection to be honest. I felt the team was still in a good spot going into the third but then the wheels fell off.

Woll was really good last night but I did feel that defensively, we just gave up (or just not play) in the third. It was an embarrassing collapse.

On the plus side, during our current run, we’ve only lost to shit teams, so this was expected

Anyhow, too bad, we need these points.

 

[eklund the clown]

Just yuk .Short memory,have to kick the Rangers ass tonight

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Does SMarty even recognize that the Laffs are targeting Hutson?

There was no reason in the world to keep playing Hutson in the second, with a 3 goal lead, when X and Savard were slapping and shutting them down.

Tactical complexity...when have you seen THAT from SMarty?

I give SMarty credit for learning on the job. He has changed since he started, but he still needs years and a few playoff series where he's turned into a biatch to figure out he can't will wins or infuse IQs.

As for Hutson, he needs to adopt but there is no chance in hell that he can adopt himself out of his shortcomings. He needs to be protected when he's targeted...and a coach who can think through the use of his players abilities.

So, we should’ve benched Huston in the 2nd?

What???

We had the game well in hand. We came within a crossbar of putting it away and then their goalie turned into Carey Price. Full marks for the Leafs and coming back but we easily could’ve put up double digits tonight.

Disappointing loss but some of you need to give your heads a shake. We easily could’ve won that game.