Post-Game Talk: Canadiens run into a brick Woll - Lose 7-3

[Whitesnake]

Maybe Pezz is a real pro for St.Louis, but St. Louis isn't pro his players if he keeps handicapping the whole team for one single waiverable player. If you really want to participate in the playoffs, it's not by asking too much to your lineup in January.

So either you call up somebody and you think he can play 10 minutes, or you go get a 4th liner for a 5th round pick.

 

[Habssince89]

Maybe Pezz is a real pro for St.Louis, but St. Louis isn't pro his players if he keeps handicapping the whole team for one single waiverable player. If you really want to participate in the playoffs, it's not by asking too much to your lineup in January.

So either you call up somebody and you think he can play 10 minutes, or you go get a 4th liner for a 5th round pick.

Someone made a good point that laval is playing a backtoback and a call up would be playing their 3rd game in a row.

I would expect a call up for tomorrow with that player having a day off (still 3 games in 4 nights)

 

[Theodore450]

Brutal. Caufield had a great game though

 

[The Great Weal]

He hasn't been good since the year turned to 2025. Only game he played really well was the Dallas game.

Even if this were true, we should disregard everything before that?

He lost against Chicago finishing with a .846 save percentage.

1st Hawks goal was a 5 on 3 where Carrier failed to cover his man in the slot, no goalie is stopping that.
2nd Hawks goal was a last second tip because Dach was puck watching and doesn't cover Foligno.
3rd Hawks goal was a 2 on 1 against basically where Guhle fails to cover the pass or shot and skates backwards for some reason.
4th Hawks goal had the entire team thinking the initial shot was in.

It's just further proving how the stats don't tell the whole story, I don't see any goalie stopping the first 3 goals here.

We managed to pull out an OT win against Vancouver with him finishing with an even worse .800 save percentage.

Yes he was awful against the Nucks too.

He had his 2nd best game of the season against Dallas that we lost in a shootout (best game was 1st game). He had a .972 save percentage.

Don't think I need to breakdown the goals here then.

Utah he was back to below. 900 finishing. 888.

He was definitely more good than bad against Utah, we had the worst 1st period of the season with all that shorthanded time. Again, the stats aren't representative.

Tonight was a bad game, he finished. 818.

He was awful tonight for sure.

4 of his last 5 starts since the New Year have been well below average starts, but Montreal didn't need him because they were getting quality depth scoring with the 2nd line coming around, Evans & Heineman on the 4th line adding depth scoring.

If you're strictly looking at stats then sure, but if you expect him to save every cross crease odd man rush against while on a 5 on 3 where the dman doesn't pick up their guy, it's extremely disingenuous.

He's .500, 2-2-1 in those 5 games. Dobes went 4-0-0 against better competition (Monty got the 2 weakest teams in Utah & Chicago).

Yeah Dobes has been better in this extremely small sample size (people said Primeau was better in the 2nd half of last year too). Things will even out as the sample size increases.

He should definitely make more key saves although I think people easily forget the key saves because the goals overshadow them. I also don't think he should be the go to starting goalie in terms of work load in order to maximize our winning chances. Around half the goalies with similar amount of games played as him have comparable save percentages.

 

[Noble]

Let's stop pretending what? Using save percentag as an argument on a team that was horrific defensively for most of the season doesn't prove anything. Monty is 12th in goals saved above expected. Funny how people were complaining that he was too good for the past 2 years and now he sucks for some reason when his stats are comparable to other goalies in similar situations.

Team Canada didn't choose him because he's a vet with intangibles, he's a good goalie. Big whoop, he had a stinker tonight as did the entire team. He stole a point against Dallas just last week. Was peppered in shots while being shorthanded against the Yotes but made some monster saves to keep us in the game when we came back.

You're the one that replied to my comment that his sv% stats have been bad this season man. If you don't think that's sv% is a reliable indicator of performance then you should have said that initially or just disregarded my post entirely instead of trying to say it was because of a bad team start.

You said that the stats I posted were deflated by a bad team performance before the Carrier trade. I posted evidence showing that what you said was completely false.

His sv% is worse after the Carrier trade than it was before it. That's not debatable. You say sv% isn't a reliable indicator for performance behind a bad defensive team, which I can get behind, but why is it that his sv% is even worse behind a team defense that has been significantly better since the team turned it around?

And what's so funny? I've been saying he's not a legitimate #1 goalie on a contender for years. Even last year. Even the one before. It has nothing to do with just this year. This year is just more evidence of that.

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

I noticed that too. That's why I didn't really see the Huet comparisons making sense, that dude was a friggin beast in 05-06.

I think Dobes can be something special. A good ole goalie controversy though, Montreal Typical lol.

Comparing Monty to Huet is wack indeed, he couldn't hold Cristobal's jockstrap if his life depended on it.

 

[The Great Weal]

You're the one that replied to my comment that his sv% stats have been bad this season man. If you don't think that's sv% is a reliable indicator of performance then you should have said that or disregarded my post entirely.

I replied to your comment as you said "Idk why some pretend montys been good this year". I didn't feel the need to disregard something that was just flat-out wrong no matter what skewed stats you tried to present while ignoring the context and the stats I brought up.

You said that the stats I posted were deflated by a bad team performance before the Carrier trade. I posted evidence showing that what you said was completely false.

His sv% is worse after the Carrier trade than it was before it. That's not debatable.

A prime example is the Hawks game which I just broke down above. You're just blatantly lying if you think that Hawks game warranted that save percentage which further proves how save percentage isn't a representative statistic in certain cases. If you think these few games dictate everything after being outworked like crazy, then sure he's a horrible goalie and Dobes is a HOFer. I'm willing to bet that's not the case though.

Weird how all the critics come out after his stinkers yet they vanish after his good games where he's had way more.

 

[not quite yoda]

LOL i love the guy who said Monty had an "off night." Monty was HANDED a 3-0 lead on a silver F******** platter and he shat the bed. And this ain't the first time the boy has done it. I'm telling you, he SUCKS SUCK SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS and the Habs needs to do something about it.

they are doing something: dobes will start tomorrow and the season continues. take a chill pill.

 

[Habssince89]

Caufield was buzzing all night I bet he scores some points tomorrow.

 

[HabsAddict]

I know I will cause a lot of itching but here is a bit of reality...Hutson was directly responsible for four of the goals. He finished with -5.

He simply can't defend against bigger guys and they take advantage of his inability to physically stop anyone.

1st goal...Hutson is at the Laff redline...WTF is he doing that deep? Breakaway for the Laffs

3rd goal...Hutson just can't skate fast enough and the Laff pulls away from him for a breakaway.

5th goal...Hutson makes ZERO effort to block Matthews shot.

6th goal...Hutson goes behind our net to get possession, fails, pass goes out and goal result.

Here is what reality looks like...

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Yes, he's exciting, he's dynamic, he floats like a buttery and stings like a bee....but tonight he stunk up the joint. His defensive lapses and shortcomings were on full display. Those will be the kind of results in any playoffs. Probably worse.

MSL tells us he's the smartest coach in the entire universe...so he better figure out how to shield Hutson.

 

[Noble]

I replied to your comment as you said "Idk why some pretend montys been good this year". I didn't feel the need to disregard something that was just flat-out wrong no matter what skewed stats you tried to present while ignoring the context and the stats I brought up.

A prime example is the Hawks game which I just broke down above. You're just blatantly lying if you think that Hawks game warranted that save percentage which further proves how save percentage isn't a representative statistic in certain cases. If you think these few games dictate everything after being outworked like crazy, then sure he's a horrible goalie and Dobes is a HOFer. I'm willing to bet that's not the case though.

Weird how all the critics come out after his stinkers yet they vanish after his good games where he's had way more.

What is skewed about the stats exactly? You said his stats were deflated by a bad team start. That isn't true. His stats are worse after the Carrier trade. There's nothing skewed about the numbers other than you don't like them.

I'm not sure who you're talking about but I certainly don't vanish when he has a good game. Go through my posts and you'll see I even point out the good saves he makes and am excited when stands on his head. My only issue is, and I'll say it again, I don't think he's a legitimate #1 goalie.

I vanish because I'm fair and don't hate on him while he's playing well like 90% of other posters on here who identify their whipping boy? But I'm a hater when I talk about the stats that support my view. Sure man. Whatever you say.

 

[HabsAddict]

Reality is that NOBODY gets a pass to play like a fool.

This game is on MSL and Hutson.

Read the charts.....and ask yourself why the Laffs are not feasting on X or Guhle.

SMarty, the smartest coach in the known universe is putting out his weakest defensive defenseman in the second, with a 3 goal lead and preserving X and Savard. Keep them fresh...to mow his lawn.

 

[Theodore450]

Wha, cause he got 10 shots? Since when does getting a lot of shots mean someone had a great game?

Man...how low our expectations have sunk here in Habland.

I didn’t say anything about shots. He was dangerous and finding his chances while playing a decent 2 way game. What more can you ask forn

 

[LesCactus]

I hope this team finds a way to sell Gallagher/Anderson to another team. Wouldn’t mind missing out on a WC spot if it meant getting them off the books. Don’t think Anderson is necessarily bad, but his contract is.

 

[zx81]

Maybe Pezz is a real pro for St.Louis, but St. Louis isn't pro his players if he keeps handicapping the whole team for one single waiverable player. If you really want to participate in the playoffs, it's not by asking too much to your lineup in January.

So either you call up somebody and you think he can play 10 minutes, or you go get a 4th liner for a 5th round pick.

and since Laval played Friday and Saturday, it's now obvious we are going to have the same lineup against the Rangers. Honestly I expect a frustrating game against the Rangers. Something like a 3-0 loss. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[not quite yoda]

Wha, cause he got 10 shots? Since when does getting a lot of shots mean someone had a great game?
Man...how low our expectations have sunk here in Habland.

caufield had many good chances and was dominabt in the O zone. the goalie had caufield's number tonight. i do not know you but i find you very negative tonight.

 

[admiralcadillac]

I’ve had it with Montembault. He can’t steal any games. Carey Price was the guy until career ending injury. Montembault is because the freaking French media like myself keeps wanting one. But like Theodore, the biggest French trash. The team, the city needs winners. They don’t need to be French. I’m French and I’ve had it. Montembault sucks balls.

You should be ashamed of your post, seriously.

Is there any reason mods allow this type of bullshit other than that this forum is English?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I know I will cause a lot of itching but here is a bit of reality...Hutson was directly responsible for four of the goals. He finished with -5.

He simply can't defend against bigger guys and they take advantage of his inability to physically stop anyone.

1st goal...Hutson is at the Laff redline...WTF is he doing that deep? Breakaway for the Laffs

3rd goal...Hutson just can't skate fast enough and the Laff pulls away from him for a breakaway.

5th goal...Hutson makes ZERO effort to block Matthews shot.

6th goal...Hutson goes behind our net to get possession, fails, pass goes out and goal result.

Here is what reality looks like...

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Yes, he's exciting, he's dynamic, he floats like a buttery and stings like a bee....but tonight he stunk up the joint. His defensive lapses and shortcomings were on full display. Those will be the kind of results in any playoffs. Probably worse.

MSL tells us he's the smartest coach in the entire universe...so he better figure out how to shield Hutson.

He was terrible

 

[HuGort]

Our worse game ever. For the live of God I hope they start Dobes next game. It's only good come out of this collapse

 

[admiralcadillac]

Wha, cause he got 10 shots? Since when does getting a lot of shots mean someone had a great game?

Man...how low our expectations have sunk here in Habland.

If you think getting shots in an NHL game is easy, why aren’t more players getting 10 shots a night? It rarely happens in a player’s career. Most players never come close.

 

[zx81]

LOL i love the guy who said Monty had an "off night." Monty was HANDED a 3-0 lead on a silver F******** platter and he shat the bed. And this ain't the first time the boy has done it. I'm telling you, he SUCKS SUCK SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS and the Habs needs to do something about it.

why does it look like a post from a second account created just to vent?
Afraid to post your rant with you real account ?

 

[Pure Laine]

You people and your f****** sample sizes. Here's an analysis based on a BIG sample - Samuel Montembeault sucks large time. The guy is horrible. Not money. Not clutch. Nowhere near what Montreal needs going forward. But meanwhile you folks are happy to say "Oh just you wait....Dobes will come back down to earth." It's like you f******* WANT Dobes to not excel, like it'll prove your little point or something. There's such a FAILURE CULTURE among Habs fans it makes me sick to my stomach. Honestly, I feel like puking my guts out sometimes reading some of the crap you people post. Failure culture is what it is.

Lol breathe

 

[Miller Time]

Yeah, it's pissing me off, too. Pezz is unplayable. MSL doesn't trust him. We don't need him, waive him. Who cares if he gets picked up by Chicago or San Jose?

3rd line should be Anderson with Evans & Armia. Dvorak & Gallagher need to be part of a 4th line. Bring up Tuch to give them some speed & size that they're losing in Anderson.

Agree except about Tuch... Not sure he would get any more ice time than Pez.

I think you gotta bring up Roy or Beck and play them on 3rd line with Evans/Armia until Heineman is back, or go out and add a decent vet bottom 6 player.

Id prefer the latter. A guy like Brandon Tanev would be a good target.

 

[HabsAddict]

and since Laval played Friday and Saturday, it's now obvious we are going to have the same lineup against the Rangers. Honestly I expect a frustrating game against the Rangers. Something like a 3-0 loss. I hope I'm wrong.

[sarcasm]

Heinaman injury was unknown and Pezz no longer good enough to play on this team was a complete suprise.

Or that we are playing Laffs and Rags.

Yup

[/sarcasm]

Hughes could of pulled Beck or Davidson out of the lineup days ago. In fact the day Heinamans injury was known, which was Thursday.

I've said this a thousand times....WINS don't matter for Laval. Only who is developed for the big club.

 

[ReHabs]

I know I will cause a lot of itching but here is a bit of reality...Hutson was directly responsible for four of the goals. He finished with -5.

He simply can't defend against bigger guys and they take advantage of his inability to physically stop anyone.

1st goal...Hutson is at the Laff redline...WTF is he doing that deep? Breakaway for the Laffs

3rd goal...Hutson just can't skate fast enough and the Laff pulls away from him for a breakaway.

5th goal...Hutson makes ZERO effort to block Matthews shot.

6th goal...Hutson goes behind our net to get possession, fails, pass goes out and goal result.

Here is what reality looks like...

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Yes, he's exciting, he's dynamic, he floats like a buttery and stings like a bee....but tonight he stunk up the joint. His defensive lapses and shortcomings were on full display. Those will be the kind of results in any playoffs. Probably worse.

MSL tells us he's the smartest coach in the entire universe...so he better figure out how to shield Hutson.

Let's be fair -- he's a rookie and the Leafs are a veteran team that is desperate to make their mark after years of failure and choking. They targeted Hutson with a specific gameplan, it seems, and MSL didn't take efforts to mitigate or protect against that. Call it a learning opportunity and an inflection point. Hutson won't be able to coast forever, if he's the real deal he'll adapt his game -- if he's not, all the better we don't find out too late, eh?

It's easier said than done but the prescription is simple: Hutson was always going to have to play a more efficient game (or "simplify his game" but I don't like that term) and MSL has long needed to add some tactical complexity to our gameplan. The playoffs are tough and we can't get through with just being well-drilled, which we are and hats off to MSL for bringing us here, but there is the in-game aspect too, and gamesmanship, and all the other stuff.