Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[CanHeDoIt99]

She said this in a court of law, under penalty of perjury?
When, why hasn't this been made public knowledge?

It seems like such an event would make settling this kind of case really counter-intuitive on the part of the people who were supposed to be representing her.

Believing one person a priori while dismissing another person's claim (if it even exists) is wrong in criminal cases.
Dismissing the allegations is just as wrong as assuming their complete legitimacy.

That's the reason investigative bodies exist: to investigate alleged criminal activity, without prejudice, in order to come to a more complete and truthful understanding of the events alleged. If criminal activity occurred, they are to make such recommendations to the judicial system.

The fact that some people are perfectly willing to forego due process and to jump to conclusions is appalling.

What those people should be incensed at is that such a potentially damning event could have been settled out of court in the first place. There shouldn't be an option for settlements out of court for sexual assault complaints.

At the same time, the stigma (real or perceived) of someone having been the victim of a sexual assault, has to go away completely.
Only when we take away all of the limiting factors, will victims of such abuse come forward with more frequency and immediacy.

Why do I need to hear from her under oath? I don't give a shit about the criminal case or lackthereof. Its irrelevant to whether or not I believe the victim over the alleged perpetrators in a sexual assault allegation. We know how difficult it is to get convictions in this area, we know how difficult it is for survivors to come forward, and we know how few survivors are lying.

On the bolded - one of the ways we can get rid of the stigma around sexual assault is by believing victims. Until I have reason not to believe her, i'll believe her.

 

[swiftwin]

Neither option is adding to the elimination of the problem, I was talking strictly to this direct situation and how it is being dealt with in this thread and even on a more general level the court of public opinion just isn't a good option is a situation as charged as this.

The court of public opinion is the only option in this situation. What else do you propose?

 

[c3z4r]

Quote from Jordin Tootoo's biographical book, All The Way: My Life on Ice with respect to the 2003 World Juniors

But frick, we were just kids back then. The shit that we did. . . . We were horny young men. We were in Halifax and we had every goddamned girl hitting on us. What are you going to do? Let's start slaying these broads. And it wasn't just one-on one action. A few of the guys would get a couple of girls after practice and head into one of the rooms. Enough said.

 

[Off Sides]

It seems pretty clear that Hockey Canada has been operating with the mantra of, "It it's not criminal, it's not our problem." As soon as London Police closed the criminal investigation, Hockey Canada moved on.

The victim, seemingly, did as well, since she didn't pursue the case for 4 years. But when she filed the civil claim a few weeks ago, they probably said, "Oh shit... let's settle this quickly and not make a big deal of it."

The issue is that it is a pretty big deal and HC's standards should be significantly higher than, "Don't be a convicted felon."

If that is true, then some of the people who can ask them questions should probably verify if HC gave the police the same information as they gave to the 3rd party investigation.

I also would like them to ask more about why they contacted their insurance company to report this.

What exactly were they reporting to them, and for what purpose were they reporting anything to them?

Like did they try to claim this under their insurance, how did they explain what they were trying to claim or report, and what answers did they get?

 

[Mingus Dew]

She said this in a court of law, under penalty of perjury?
When, why hasn't this been made public knowledge?

It seems like such an event would make settling this kind of case really counter-intuitive on the part of the people who were supposed to be representing her.

Believing one person a priori while dismissing another person's claim (if it even exists) is wrong in criminal cases.
Dismissing the allegations is just as wrong as assuming their complete legitimacy.

That's the reason investigative bodies exist: to investigate alleged criminal activity, without prejudice, in order to come to a more complete and truthful understanding of the events alleged. If criminal activity occurred, they are to make such recommendations to the judicial system.

The fact that some people are perfectly willing to forego due process and to jump to conclusions is appalling.

What those people should be incensed at is that such a potentially damning event could have been settled out of court in the first place. There shouldn't be an option for settlements out of court for sexual assault complaints.

At the same time, the stigma (real or perceived) of someone having been the victim of a sexual assault, has to go away completely.
Only when we take away all of the limiting factors, will victims of such abuse come forward with more frequency and immediacy.

She brought a civil suit. So for all intents and purposes yes she said this in a court of law.

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Oh I am calm. It’s just if you’re going to talk shit, back it up. Bit ridiculous to assume that I’d make a document and leave out a player because I cheer for a team.

I mean not that ridiculous its the internet. Have you seen some of the comments on here? Lmao

 

[swiftwin]

2) The players in the room, at the time, believed she was having a good time and was up for whatever was happening.

Unlikely, considering the players made her film a video at 4am saying she consented to all this.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Criminal investigation in London re-opened.

https://www.londonpolice.ca/en/news/statement-from-chief-of-police.aspx

 

[Caje]

Not every single organization facing a sexual assault allegation hires the law firm that forced the Supreme Court of Canada to issue a ruling defending the constitutionality of rape shield laws. That’s like hiring a fox to investigate a scandal in the hen house.

I sincerely hope you understand that a defence attorney's job is to defend their clients to the best of their abilities, and that what they do in their the pursuit of that obviously does not reflect their personal views.

This shouldn't even need to be said.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Quote from Jordin Tootoo's biographical book, All The Way: My Life on Ice with respect to the 2003 World Juniors

Nothing like committing your wrongdoings to paper lmao.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

I sincerely hope you understand that a defence attorney's job is to defend their clients to the best of their abilities, and that what they do in their the pursuit of that obviously does not reflect their personal views.

This shouldn't even need to be said.

So you admit that the firm is not as independent as you initially indicated in your post then?

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I've never had the thought cross my mind after sex that the best thing to really tie up the evening would be for the sweaty balls of 7 of my closest guy friends to join us in the room.

Or as Sean Avery calls it -- sloppy sevenths.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Criminal investigation in London re-opened.

https://www.londonpolice.ca/en/news/statement-from-chief-of-police.aspx

Wow, this certainly will ratchet up the heat.

 

[NYR94]

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

Quote from Jordin Tootoo's biographical book, All The Way: My Life on Ice with respect to the 2003 World Juniors

That book was co-written by Stephen Brunt, an entrenched member of sports media in this country, who likely wrote those words himself and thought nothing of it. Politicians read that passage and afterwards, have continued to put Tootoo on a pedestal as an example for young, indigenous men.

That same media and political establishment will now turn around and gasp in shock about these allegations.

 

[Zippity]

Hockey Canada statement

Yesterday evening, Hockey Canada learned of an alleged group sexual assault from 2003 involving members of the 2002-03 National Junior Team after being contacted by Rick Westhead of TSN/CTV National News with disturbing details of the alleged incident. Mr. Westhead informed Hockey Canada he has...

hockeycanada.ca

 

[Caje]

So you admit that the firm is not as independent as you initially indicated in your post then?

I'm not sure how you got that from my post that you just quoted, but no, I'm not saying that at all. They weren't hired as defence attorneys in this case. Pretty clear distinction.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

I'm not sure how you got that from my post that you just quoted, but no, I'm not saying that at all. They weren't hired as defence attorneys in this case. Pretty clear distinction.

Maybe don't hire the firm that has such a history related to conduct your independent investigation if you want the public to take it serious.

 

[Maplebeasts]

That is good news that the London police have re-opened the case. The victim deserves the money from the settlement and justice in the form of prison time for the culprits if the allegations are true.

 

[Caje]

Maybe don't hire the firm that has such a history related to conduct your independent investigation if you want the public to take it serious.

So you'd prefer they hire a firm that has no experience in sexual assault cases?

 

[threeVo]

Hockey Canada statement

Yesterday evening, Hockey Canada learned of an alleged group sexual assault from 2003 involving members of the 2002-03 National Junior Team after being contacted by Rick Westhead of TSN/CTV National News with disturbing details of the alleged incident. Mr. Westhead informed Hockey Canada he has...

hockeycanada.ca

I have a feeling Lupul was at the center of this gang bang

 

[PostBradMalone]

So you'd prefer they hire a firm that has no experience in sexual assault cases?

How about, again, not the one known for railroading rape victims?

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

So you'd prefer they hire a firm that has no experience in sexual assault cases?

Come on - they could have hired a firm that has experience in these cases without hiring one that caused the Supreme Court of Canada to issue a ruling defending the constitutionality of rape shield laws.

 

[pcruz]

Why do I need to hear from her under oath? I don't give a shit about the criminal case or lackthereof. Its irrelevant to whether or not I believe the victim over the alleged perpetrators in a sexual assault allegation. We know how difficult it is to get convictions in this area, we know how difficult it is for survivors to come forward, and we know how few survivors are lying.

On the bolded - one of the ways we can get rid of the stigma around sexual assault is by believing victims. Until I have reason not to believe her, i'll believe her.

You know there is a dramatic difference between believing someone and "not dismissing" their claims as false.

As in, you can be hungry and willing to eat, not hungry and not willing to eat, AND not hungry, but willing to eat.

When my kids come to me and say that the neighbour's kid threw a rock at them, I'm not going to run outside and beat the kid for throwing rocks. At the same time, I'm not going to tell my kid to stop lying.

Instead, I will go and ask "did you throw a rock?" I will ask others around who may have seen the event and try to get an idea if a rock was thrown.

I am just as bad a parent if I dismiss my kid's accusation, as I would be if I just take their words verbatim without question and act accordingly.

 

[Caje]

How about, again, not the one known for railroading rape victims?

Come on - they could have hired a firm that has experience in these cases without hiring one that caused the Supreme Court of Canada to issue a ruling defending the constitutionality of rape shield laws.

Zero understanding of the role of a defence attorney.