Canada's Golden Era

[Yakushev72]

Why exactly is there so little chance for a European team to beat Canada in this setting?

If I recall correctly, the Championship round of the World Cup is a best of three playoff series. Realistically, you have to be markedly better than Canada to beat them in a best of 3 series with Canadian refs, in Canadian arenas in front of bedlam-style Canadian crowds, after carrying out a travel schedule that clearly favors the Canadians. I'm not alleging that Canadian refs are biased, but I've seen them intimidated by a crowd. Anything can happen in a one-game, winner takes all format, but you have to better than Canada to beat them 2 out of 3 on the road.

If you look at the teams individually...Sweden, Finland, Czechs, Slovaks, Swiss...all of them are fine teams, but there is very little chance that any of them would beat Canada in a best of 3. European fans are realistic enough to know it. Call it defeatist if you will, but realistically, everyone knows in advance that its not going to happen when you are a lesser team to begin with.

 

[Lollipop]

You could not ask much better from reffing in a final game then what we saw there. They let the players play and let them decide who the winner was going to be, we cannot ask for more.

for every questionable call you thought you saw that did not go in Swedens favour you can find one for Canadian fans that they may have felt did not go in their favour.

You have not provided any examples of bias because there were not any. If you feel Sweden was robbed make a poll in the Swedish section and let's see what the results are amongst your fans.

To be clear: i don't think Sweden was robbed. Canada was much better and deserved the gold. But the refereeing wasn't fantastic. And yes I'm not only talking about Sweden favour . I'm also talking about Canada. When a referee call his win team it will not be any room for mistakes. If they go against Canada people will say it's because they don't want be biased or if they favour Canada then they are biased.

As I said there's no point to provide any examples. Why? Yes, even if the refereeing was fantasic(it wasn't) it doesn't matter. Canada shouldn't have 7 referees in their gold medal games.

I don't understand how you can talking about how hockey can grow worldwide and then think it's okay to have 7 referees from Canada in the gold medal game. This if anything proof hockey has a loooooong way to go before it can grow worldwide.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

There were some questionable calls that even swedish media talked about. But there's no point to bring them up here because it's not the point.

So you would accept a whole referee staff from KHL/Russia in a gold medal game between Canada and Russia?

If the refs are respected professionals with years of experience working tons of games at the highest level of hockey played I would not care for one whit where they were from in a game involving my team, even if the opponent my team is facing happens to be from the country those refs. I might actually prefer it as I think they are more likely to err on the side of caution of my team to ensure fans against any perception they are doing some "home cooking"

 

[Lollipop]

If I recall correctly, the Championship round of the World Cup is a best of three playoff series. Realistically, you have to be markedly better than Canada to beat them in a best of 3 series with Canadian refs, in Canadian arenas in front of bedlam-style Canadian crowds, after carrying out a travel schedule that clearly favors the Canadians. I'm not alleging that Canadian refs are biased, but I've seen them intimidated by a crowd. Anything can happen in a one-game, winner takes all format, but you have to better than Canada to beat them 2 out of 3 on the road.

If you look at the teams individually...Sweden, Finland, Czechs, Slovaks, Swiss...all of them are fine teams, but there is very little chance that any of them would beat Canada in a best of 3. European fans are realistic enough to know it. Call it defeatist if you will, but realistically, everyone knows in advance that its not going to happen when you are a lesser team to begin with.

Funny that you name those teams but not Russia. Why? Russia's chances to beat Canada in best of 3 is smaller than Finland's and Sweden's chances.

 

[Lollipop]

If the refs are respected professionals with years of experience working tons of games at the highest level of hockey played I would not care for one whit where they were from in a game involving my team, even if the opponent my team is facing happens to be from the country those refs. I might actually prefer it as I think they are more likely to err on the side of caution of my team to ensure fans against any perception they are doing some "home cooking"

Then I hope it will happen to see if it's true. I guess we should see many complains from Canadian fans. We already see many complains from you about the European referees.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

To be clear: i don't think Sweden was robbed. Canada was much better and deserved the gold. But the refereeing wasn't fantastic. And yes I'm not only talking about Sweden favour . I'm also talking about Canada. When a referee call his win team it will not be any room for mistakes. If they go against Canada people will say it's because they don't want be biased or if they favour Canada then they are biased.

As I said there's no point to provide any examples. Why? Yes, even if the refereeing was fantasic(it wasn't) it doesn't matter. Canada shouldn't have 7 referees in their gold medal games.

I don't understand how you can talking about how hockey can grow worldwide and then think it's okay to have 7 referees from Canada in the gold medal game. This if anything proof hockey has a loooooong way to go before it can grow worldwide.

I think it is o.k FOR THE TIME BEING since they have proved they are the best and most competent refs around. Hopefully this changes and when it does we can get refs from anywhere calling all games, until it does I want the best ones working no matter who they are and where they are from. We don't need any horror shows like just happened at the last WHC at best on best events.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

Then I hope it will happen to see if it's true. I guess we should see many complains from Canadian fans. We already see many complains from you about the European referees.

It is not just Canadians who complain about the European IIHF referees, I can assure you of that.

 

[Lollipop]

I think it is o.k FOR THE TIME BEING since they have proved they are the best and most competent refs around. Hopefully this changes and when it does we can get refs from anywhere calling all games, until it does I want the best ones working no matter who they are and where they are from. We don't need any horror shows like just happened at the last WHC at best on best events.

How have they proved to be the best and most competent refs in the world?

BTW, all the NHL season long we hear about how bad the NHL refs are! But when Canada want their help they suddenly are best in world? Lol!

 

[Lollipop]

It is not just Canadians who complain about the European IIHF referees, I can assure you of that.

And no one complains about the NHL referees? Sorry if you think so then you live on another planet.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

And no one complains about the NHL referees? Sorry if you think so then you live on another planet.

I don't.

Everyone always complains about referees, in every sport.

But there is a big difference between what is inevitable fan behaviour and recognizing who is the most and least competent. And when we look at the work between the NHL refs and IIHF refs most fans (and players for that matter) have no problem making that distinction.

A good writer isn't perfect but he is easily better then a poor one and it doesn't take much to see it.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

How have they proved to be the best and most competent refs in the world?

BTW, all the NHL season long we hear about how bad the NHL refs are! But when Canada want their help they suddenly are best in world? Lol!

How have they proved it?

Just go watch any game worked by the best NHL refs and watch the foolishness that goes on at the worlds every year and you should have all the proof you need.

Professional hockey is like any other profession.................cream rises.

The NHL is the oldest, best and most experienced pro hockey league in the world with the best players and like anything else when you have that behind you, you naturally have the best refs too.

 

[Lollipop]

I don't.

Everyone always complains about referees, in every sport.

But there is a big difference between what is inevitable fan behaviour and recognizing who is the most and least competent. And when we look at the work between the NHL refs and IIHF refs most fans (and players for that matter) have no problem making that distinction.

A good writer isn't perfect but he is easily better then a poor one and it doesn't take much to see it.

This is only Canadian view. Once again where's the proof that NHL referees are the best in the world?

I'm pretty sure that every European prefer IIHF refs ahead of 7 Canadian refs in the final.

BTW, is all NHL refs from Canada?

 

[The Bad Guy*]

This is only Canadian view. Once again where's the proof that NHL referees are the best in the world?

I'm pretty sure that every European prefer IIHF refs ahead of 7 Canadian refs in the final.

BTW, is all NHL refs from Canada?

Look, I get where you are coming from in that all things being equal it would be preferable if we had a large cache of refs from all over so that all games could be worked by competent refs so we would not have this issue but the fact is that right now we don't and we don't need games getting marred by some sub par guy from the danish league who is completely out of his element at that level just so we can say we had assured neutral reffing.

And even when our preferred neutral scenario does happen do not think for a second that it is going to stop fans from screaming about refs calls, just go take one look at the global sport of Football at this world cup and you can see that.

The bottom line is that this past olympics the NHL refs did a solid and competent job with now where near the moaning and groaning that the world cup has generated.

Bottom line, it would be preferable to have the scenario you want described but so far NHL refs have not been a problem and certainly were not this olympics and in that SWE-CAN game.

And we can be thankful for that, FIFA in their sport cannot make the same claim.

 

[Lollipop]

Look, I get where you are coming from in that all things being equal it would be preferable if we had a large cache of refs from all over so that all games could be worked by competent refs so we would not have this issue but the fact is that right now we don't and we don't need games getting marred by some sub par guy from the danish league who is completely out of his element at that level just so we can say we had assured neutral reffing.

And even when our preferred neutral scenario does happen do not think for a second that it is going to stop fans from screaming about refs calls, just go take one look at the global sport of Football at this world cup and you can see that.

The bottom line is that this past olympics the NHL refs did a solid and competent job with now where near the moaning and groaning that the world cup has generated.

Bottom line, it would be preferable to have the scenario you want described but so far NHL refs have not been a problem and certainly were not this olympics and in that SWE-CAN game.

And we can be thankful for that, FIFA in their sport cannot make the same claim.

The fact that IIHF needed to explain the choices of referees in gold medal game says alot how big problem it was. And no the the NHL referees weren't that great. But I understand that you as Canadian feel you need to defend your referees especially when it's a favour for your country.

Still is all NHL referees from Canada?

 

[daver]

The fact that IIHF needed to explain the choices of referees in gold medal game says alot how big problem it was. And no the the NHL referees weren't that great. But I understand that you as Canadian feel you need to defend your referees especially when it's a favour for your country.

Still is all NHL referees from Canada?

Write the IIHF then cause they certainly don't have an issue. It's been 5 OG and nary a wimper about questionable calls at all, let alone for the home team. The NHL refs are simply far superior to the IIHF ones who do the WHC's.

 

[Yakushev72]

Funny that you name those teams but not Russia. Why? Russia's chances to beat Canada in best of 3 is smaller than Finland's and Sweden's chances.

The World Cup will apparently be held in September, which is during the KHL regular season. Russia will not enter the World Cup because it has too many of its best players in the KHL (e.g., Kovalchuk, Radulov), and there probably wouldn't be support in the RHF either. I am assuming that Russia won't enter.

 

[Lollipop]

The World Cup will apparently be held in September, which is during the KHL regular season. Russia will not enter the World Cup because it has too many of its best players in the KHL (e.g., Kovalchuk, Radulov), and there probably wouldn't be support in the RHF either. I am assuming that Russia won't enter.

Well that's too bad. Then this will not be called best on best. I think Finland will lose some players too?

 

[Lollipop]

Write the IIHF then cause they certainly don't have an issue. It's been 5 OG and nary a wimper about questionable calls at all, let alone for the home team. The NHL refs are simply far superior to the IIHF ones who do the WHC's.

Lol, there are questionable calls from NHL referees. You are homeblind or from another planet if you don't see that. Well, NHL want their referees or else NHL players won't participate. IIHF have no other choices than to accept it, that doesn't mean they don't have a issue with it. This is why I think Canada and NHL is the HUGE problem on why the game hockey can't grow worldwide.

If NHL referees are that superior then why do we hear complains about then during the whole NHL season? Sorry but people complain as much on NHL referees as they do with other referees.

 

[JackSlater]

To be clear: i don't think Sweden was robbed. Canada was much better and deserved the gold. But the refereeing wasn't fantastic.

Why not? Your inability to even support your point in any way with all of the evidence at your disposal shows how valid your complaints really are.

And yes I'm not only talking about Sweden favour . I'm also talking about Canada. When a referee call his win team it will not be any room for mistakes. If they go against Canada people will say it's because they don't want be biased or if they favour Canada then they are biased.

Glad to see that you agree with Don Cherry. Luckily there were no mistakes.

Yes, even if the refereeing was fantasic(it wasn't) it doesn't matter.

Yeah, who cares how well the game was refereed? The feelings and opinions of Lollipop matter far more than whether or not the referees actually did a good job.

If I recall correctly, the Championship round of the World Cup is a best of three playoff series. Realistically, you have to be markedly better than Canada to beat them in a best of 3 series with Canadian refs, in Canadian arenas in front of bedlam-style Canadian crowds, after carrying out a travel schedule that clearly favors the Canadians. I'm not alleging that Canadian refs are biased, but I've seen them intimidated by a crowd. Anything can happen in a one-game, winner takes all format, but you have to better than Canada to beat them 2 out of 3 on the road.

If you look at the teams individually...Sweden, Finland, Czechs, Slovaks, Swiss...all of them are fine teams, but there is very little chance that any of them would beat Canada in a best of 3. European fans are realistic enough to know it. Call it defeatist if you will, but realistically, everyone knows in advance that its not going to happen when you are a lesser team to begin with.

The last World Cup had a single final game. I don't really see how anything (other than potential travel issues) hinders the chances of the opposition. The Canadian fans, refs etc. didn't seem to hinder any of Canada's opposition at the 2010 Olympics (in fact I think the pressure hurt Canada).

 

[Lollipop]

Why not? Your inability to even support your point in any way with all of the evidence at your disposal shows how valid your complaints really are.

Why should I prove anything. You Canadians will say the refereeing was fantastic no matter what. You will decline my proof. There were questionable calls but if you Canadians already now can't see them why would you see them if I show you. You can go and watch the gold medal game.

What if you Canadians could bring up some valid proof on why NHL referees are superior than IIHF referees?

Yeah, who cares how well the game was refereed? The feelings and opinions of Lollipop matter far more than whether or not the referees actually did a good job.

Who cares about fair game that has a great chances to grow worldwide? Not you and your home blind Canadian friends.

No matter how well it was refereed because as long Canada want help from their dear countrymen there will always be issues. No game should start with this issue. No oppenent should feel they have huge disadvantage because the officials.

 

[Lollipop]

How have they proved it?

Just go watch any game worked by the best NHL refs and watch the foolishness that goes on at the worlds every year and you should have all the proof you need.

Professional hockey is like any other profession.................cream rises.

The NHL is the oldest, best and most experienced pro hockey league in the world with the best players and like anything else when you have that behind you, you naturally have the best refs too.

Still so many people complain about the NHL refereeing during the seasons. So you mean they are bad in NHL but best in the world in olympics?

 

[JackSlater]

Why should I prove anything. You Canadians will say the refereeing was fantastic no matter what. You will decline my proof. There were questionable calls but if you Canadians already now can't see them why would you see them if I show you. You can go and watch the gold medal game.

The onus is on you, since the vast majority of people agree that it was a very well refereed game. Your inability to even find a single issue demonstrates (embarrassingly so) indicated the high level of officiating. It's obvious that if these issues existed, you would post them. In all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually have not watched the game. You can also note that it isn't just Canadians who cannot see the questionable calls - on this website you are literally the only poster I have seen who have ever mentioned it, with posters from every other country admitting that at least that one game was very well refereed.

What if you Canadians could bring up some valid proof on why NHL referees are superior than IIHF referees?

Tune in to the IIHF WC each spring and see the proof for yourself. Compare that with the level of officiating at the Olympics, and you can see your answer. You could also take a look at the European players who have stated how they prefer NHL referees to IIHF referees.

Who cares about fair game that has a great chances to grow worldwide? Not you and your home blind Canadian friends.

No matter how well it was refereed because as long Canada want help from their dear countrymen there will always be issues. No game should start with this issue. No oppenent should feel they have huge disadvantage because the officials.

Swedish players like Kronwall and Karlsson stated before the game that they were quite content with the referees. If you choose to value your own paranoia over what actually happened, that is your own fault. A fantastically refereed gold medal game proves Kronwall and Karlsson right, and you very wrong.

 

[Lollipop]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1661313&highlight=nhl+referees

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1644257&highlight=nhl+referees

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1652151&highlight=nhl+referees

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1638575&highlight=nhl+referees

This is only few threads about the FANTASTIC, BEST IN THE WORLD referees from NHL. Not very positive. Much complain about those guys.

Once again: are they terrible in NHL and then they are GODS in Olympics?

 

[daver]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1661313&highlight=nhl+referees

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1644257&highlight=nhl+referees

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1652151&highlight=nhl+referees

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1638575&highlight=nhl+referees

This is only few threads about the FANTASTIC, BEST IN THE WORLD referees from NHL. Not very positive. Much complain about those guys.

Once again: are they terrible in NHL and then they are GODS in Olympics?

Compared to IIHF refs? A resounding yes!!!

 

[Lollipop]

The onus is on you, since the vast majority of people agree that it was a very well refereed game. Your inability to even find a single issue demonstrates (embarrassingly so) indicated the high level of officiating. It's obvious that if these issues existed, you would post them. In all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually have not watched the game. You can also note that it isn't just Canadians who cannot see the questionable calls - on this website you are literally the only poster I have seen who have ever mentioned it, with posters from every other country admitting that at least that one game was very well refereed.

Vast majority of people agree ut was a well refereed game? Loooool, what a great majority of Canadians. sorry, but this is too funny.

Sorry, if the game really was that great then proof it. Proof that NHL referees are the best in the world. But I guess you can't. Once I again it's no point to proof anything for you. You will think your Canadian darlings are the best in the world no matter what.

Tune in to the IIHF WC each spring and see the proof for yourself. Compare that with the level of officiating at the Olympics, and you can see your answer. You could also take a look at the European players who have stated how they prefer NHL referees to IIHF referees.

Players and fans complain for everything when they lose. I'm pretty sure those European players you are talking about have been mad on referees in NHL too. Stop to act as your Canadians referees never do mistakes or are like Gods.

Swedish players like Kronwall and Karlsson stated before the game that they were quite content with the referees. If you choose to value your own paranoia over what actually happened, that is your own fault. A fantastically refereed gold medal game proves Kronwall and Karlsson right, and you very wrong.


What should they do? Complain? But then their focus and energy should have been on negative things instead for the games. Canada would be favoured in that case too. No they said it was okay because there's nothing to do about that. They wanted to focus on the game. I doubt any of swedish players thought 7 Canadian players in the final is good.

Add that to Peter Forsberg who was very mad. He has played many years in NHL and should have thought it was good but no he was mad. Why that if NHL referees are so fantastic?

Sorry, I'm not wrong. The refereeing wasn't that fantastic. Only reason there's not much complains is because it hasn't any affect on the result of the game.