Canada's Golden Era

[Lollipop]

Compared to IIHF refs? A resounding yes!!!

This clearly show your Canadian bias. If they are so much better then why all these threads with complains? I never heard this much complains about the refs in SHL as example.

I really hope IIHF refs ever won't be as bad as the refs in NHL.

 

[daver]

This clearly show your Canadian bias. If they are so much better then why all these threads with complains? I never heard this much complains about the refs in SHL as example.

I really hope IIHF refs ever won't be as bad as the refs in NHL.

I'm sure IIHF and the NHL takes the pulse of HFBroards to evaluate their refs.

Anyway, Canada's # 1 and so are our refs!

 

[Lollipop]

I'm sure IIHF and the NHL takes the pulse of HFBroards to evaluate their refs.

Anyway, Canada's # 1 and so are our refs!

Says the Canadian homer. sorry your post proof that you don't care about NHL is best ir not. You just think it's fine that Canada have 7 referees in gold medal game because you know it can favour Canada.

BTW, NHL shouldn't haven't anything to do with the selection of referees. That should be IIHF's selection only. Or else KHL, SHL ect should have their say too.

BTW, I'm not talking only about HF. I don't see that kind of complains in Sweden at all. Not even in media.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

Still so many people complain about the NHL refereeing during the seasons. So you mean they are bad in NHL but best in the world in olympics?

Good God, there has been nary a whimper about NHL refs in the olympics.

Like I said, go make a poll in the Swedish section and see if they agree with you that NHL refs have been terrible.

It's an excuse from you,a reason to *****, nothing more.

Canada wins because they are good, it is nothing new in the game of hockey. They have been doing this for a long time.

 

[JackSlater]

Vast majority of people agree ut was a well refereed game? Loooool, what a great majority of Canadians. sorry, but this is too funny.

Make a poll then. You are literally the only person on this website who I have seen complain about the referees since the game was actually played. Let's see where the majority will vote. Put it on the Swedish section if you like. We both know that you won't do that, because you know how it will turn out.

Sorry, if the game really was that great then proof it. Proof that NHL referees are the best in the world. But I guess you can't. Once I again it's no point to proof anything for you. You will think your Canadian darlings are the best in the world no matter what.

The proof that the game was was reffed is in the video. I already proved it. NHL referees being the best in the world is a completely different point, but it's already clear to anyone watching the NHL and also IIHF tournaments. As far as my "Canadian darlings", who says that NHL referees have to be Canadian? Many are American, and ideally they would incorporate more referees from other countries. Sorry if that gets in the way of your strawman though.

Players and fans complain for everything when they lose. I'm pretty sure those European players you are talking about have been mad on referees in NHL too. Stop to act as your Canadians referees never do mistakes or are like Gods.

Why didn't any of the players at the Olympics complain about the referees then, since most of them also lost? Also, I am amused by your strawman attempts. I am actually getting embarrassed responding to someone who is clearly (hopefully?) still a child.

To be clear, NHL (not Canadian... NHL) referees tend to be superior officials than IIHF referees. That does not mean they are gods or that they never make mistakes, because unfortunately there is a massive gap between "IIHF ref" and "ref who makes no mistakes".

What should they do? Complain? But then their focus and energy should have been on negative things instead for the games. Canada would be favoured in that case too. No they said it was okay because there's nothing to do about that. They wanted to focus on the game. I doubt any of swedish players thought 7 Canadian players in the final is good.

Doubt it all that you like but Niklas Kronwall and Erik Karlsson, two actual members of the Swedish team, disagree.

Add that to Peter Forsberg who was very mad. He has played many years in NHL and should have thought it was good but no he was mad. Why that if NHL referees are so fantastic?

Good question. Luckily we have actual game evidence that clearly indicates that Forsberg's complaints were unfounded. Like you, he has the option of going through the game and indicating when and where the officials actually favoured Canada. He won't do that however, just like you won't, because his complaints were proven wrong.

Sorry, I'm not wrong. The refereeing wasn't that fantastic. Only reason there's not much complains is because it hasn't any affect on the result of the game.

You are obviously wrong, and your failure to indicate even a single refereeing error in the video only proves that point further.

 

[Lollipop]

Make a poll then. You are literally the only person on this website who I have seen complain about the referees since the game was actually played. Let's see where the majority will vote. Put it on the Swedish section if you like. We both know that you won't do that, because you know how it will turn out.



The proof that the game was was reffed is in the video. I already proved it. NHL referees being the best in the world is a completely different point, but it's already clear to anyone watching the NHL and also IIHF tournaments. As far as my "Canadian darlings", who says that NHL referees have to be Canadian? Many are American, and ideally they would incorporate more referees from other countries. Sorry if that gets in the way of your strawman though.




Why didn't any of the players at the Olympics complain about the referees then, since most of them also lost? Also, I am amused by your strawman attempts. I am actually getting embarrassed responding to someone who is clearly (hopefully?) still a child.

To be clear, NHL (not Canadian... NHL) referees tend to be superior officials than IIHF referees. That does not mean they are gods or that they never make mistakes, because unfortunately there is a massive gap between "IIHF ref" and "ref who makes no mistakes".



Doubt it all that you like but Niklas Kronwall and Erik Karlsson, two actual members of the Swedish team, disagree.



Good question. Luckily we have actual game evidence that clearly indicates that Forsberg's complaints were unfounded. Like you, he has the option of going through the game and indicating when and where the officials actually favoured Canada. He won't do that however, just like you won't, because his complaints were proven wrong.



You are obviously wrong, and your failure to indicate even a single refereeing error in the video only proves that point further.

As I said I will not waste any time to proof anything for you. You can go and watch the game and if you can't see the errors then you will not see them even I post them here.

I still want your proof of NHL referees being the best in the world.

I have a poll for you: make one about if peopke want to see 7 Canadian referees in a gold medal game between Canada and their own home country. You could do this for the international players too. You will see. If Karlsson and Kronwall should vote they should say NO, I'm sure about that.

 

[JackSlater]

As I said I will not waste any time to proof anything for you.

Actually, you can't prove it, and you know it. Hence your refusal. If you were concerned about wasting time, you wouldn't spend time embarrassing yourself like this and would just prove your point.

You can go and watch the game and if you can't see the errors then you will not see them even I post them here.

I can't see them because they aren't there. That also happens to be the reason you refuse to point them out.

I still want your proof of NHL referees being the best in the world.

I already said this twice for you, but I guess that is not enough. Look at the level of officiating in the Olympics with NHL referees, and then look at the level of officiating in the World Championships. The Olympics is consistently higher.

I have a poll for you: make one about if peopke want to see 7 Canadian referees in a gold medal game between Canada and their own home country. You could do this for the international players too. You will see. If Karlsson and Kronwall should vote they should say NO, I'm sure about that.

Why would I care if people want that? I couldn't care less if people want 7 (why 7? I have no idea but I will go with it) Canadian referees in the finals or not. In fact, I would rather have referees from a different country officiate the final game if they were proven at that level. Many Canadians, Don Cherry included, did not want Canadian referees. The fact is that the Canadian (NHL) referees in the Olympic gold medal games have always done a tremendous job, even in the three games that featured Canada. I'm also glad to know that you speak for Karlsson and Kronwall, even when your own statements contradict things they have actually said. Congratulations on that.

 

[Yakushev72]

Why not? Your inability to even support your point in any way with all of the evidence at your disposal shows how valid your complaints really are.



Glad to see that you agree with Don Cherry. Luckily there were no mistakes.



Yeah, who cares how well the game was refereed? The feelings and opinions of Lollipop matter far more than whether or not the referees actually did a good job.



The last World Cup had a single final game. I don't really see how anything (other than potential travel issues) hinders the chances of the opposition. The Canadian fans, refs etc. didn't seem to hinder any of Canada's opposition at the 2010 Olympics (in fact I think the pressure hurt Canada).

Its still a huge advantage for Canada and a massive disadvantage for European teams in a series that many will argue is suitable for world ranking, but I guess a European team winning the World Cup is at least theoretically feasible in a single final game.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

Its still a huge advantage for Canada and a massive disadvantage for European teams in a series that many will argue is suitable for world ranking, but I guess a European team winning the World Cup is at least theoretically feasible in a single final game.

More then theoretical, it has already been done.

It was almost done last World cup too, 3-2 Canada over Finland.

A Canadian victory by by the slimmest of margins. Canada just got by the Czechs by the skin of their teeth also, they were actually outplayed by the Czechs in that game and with a little bit more puck luck for the czechs we would not even have had Canada in the final.


While I agree it would be best to have all travel time equal and host venues rotated and such, too much is made of the supposed advantages.

They are not massive like you make them out to be.

 

[Jablkon]

Some of your points here are valid but I don't buy that a tournament like this would be a coronation for Canada at all, several teams could possibly win this but if Canada did win it would be because the other teams were just not good enough to win it and you cannot stop holding tournaments because of that .It is up to the countries involved to improve to the point where they can win world tournaments, not Canada's.

Just because Canada would be the favourite in a best on best tournament in Canada is no reason to stop holding them there, let's face facts, Canada would be the favourite going in a best on best tournament held anywhere, not just Canada.

There is very little imagination or thirst for adventure amongst so many of the European fans . Having a world class tournament on small ice and in the motherland of hockey which provides for a very different and interesting contrast in international hockey styles should be looked on as a great challenge/opportunity/honour amongst European fans.

Sadly, the fear of failure seems to be the main reason they do not want it and cannot see the value in it.

But so many of you think you are beaten before you even begin.

International hockey and dare i say the game of hockey itself will never get out of it's world niche sport status with this kind of exclusionary and unimaginative thinking.We cannot build any global excitement about the game this way.

A regular best on best tournament in Canada using the NHL style and a best on best tournament in Europe using the european style should be worked towards as a means of establishing a new tradition in the global game that will increase tradition and excitement.

The rigidity in hockey fans thinking is keeping this game from growing.We just cannot build a "wimbledon" type historical tradition globally in hockey for several reasons, fans attitude being one of the reasons. In this line of thinking, they would refuse to play wimbledon unless it is moved around from country to country and played on ashphalt and clay in rotating years.

Attitudes and unwillingness to change of the fans and the bottom lines of leagues like the NHL and KHL that prevents them from co-operating and trying new things are holding the game back.

You describe era of 70s when these two hockey worlds faced each other for the first time or later very rarely (till the beginning of 90s). So having tourney in hockey motherland is not smth. very special now, I think you can compare it to soccer world cup in Brasil - it is good but does not have any woow efect. Plus you have to add so many hockey culture differences (smaller size, completely different hockey crowd etc.). No one in Europe consider these canadian differences as a model they would like to follow. SO it makes it even less attractive for europeans.

And if you think that fear or failure is main reason why somebody does not want it i can response that in my personal point of view I do not really understand to the purpose and aim of this tourney. You talking about Wimbledon but we already have Olympics......so tell me which fan base is too much rigid???

 

[The Bad Guy*]

You describe era of 70s when these two hockey worlds faced each other for the first time or later very rarely (till the beginning of 90s). So having tourney in hockey motherland is not smth. very special now, I think you can compare it to soccer world cup in Brasil - it is good but does not have any woow efect. Plus you have to add so many hockey culture differences (smaller size, completely different hockey crowd etc.). No one in Europe consider these canadian differences as a model they would like to follow. SO it makes it even less attractive for europeans.

And if you think that fear or failure is main reason why somebody does not want it i can response that in my personal point of view I do not really understand to the purpose and aim of this tourney. You talking about Wimbledon but we already have Olympics......so tell me which fan base is too much rigid???

Please forgive me as I am not trying to offend you when I say that I am not sure if I understand all of your arguments here due to your english.

I kind of get the gist of it, kind of.

 

[YMB29]

Teamwork opens up the space and certainly can make individual skills look better. Also stick handling and skating are important but only two of many factors which make a hockey player effective.

So in what skills were Canadians better?

Absolutely, they were the top tournaments of their time. There were always injuries, declines and questionable roster choices but those tournaments along with the post 98 OG stand heads and shoulders above the others.

Well of course, for you a tournament is only important if Canada has all or most of its best players. Whether other countries have most of their best players does not matter...

Yes, they had a massive team advantage, and plenty of time to adjust after the USSR fell.

The massive team advantage is just a typical excuse.

But I am saying that once the playing field was levelled (more countries losing players to the NHL instead of playing at the WC) results were different.

You mean that Canada started winning some of them?

 

[Mr Kanadensisk]

So in what skills were Canadians better?

The most important skill of all. Overall effectiveness.

Well of course, for you a tournament is only important if Canada has all or most of its best players. Whether other countries have most of their best players does not matter...

Nope. I look for tournaments where people aren't barred from participating (other than legit suspensions) and where the vast majority of the top players attend.

The massive team advantage is just a typical excuse.

It is the truth.

 

[Mr Kanadensisk]

As I said I will not waste any time to proof anything for you. You can go and watch the game and if you can't see the errors then you will not see them even I post them here.

I still want your proof of NHL referees being the best in the world.

I have a poll for you: make one about if peopke want to see 7 Canadian referees in a gold medal game between Canada and their own home country. You could do this for the international players too. You will see. If Karlsson and Kronwall should vote they should say NO, I'm sure about that.

I'd honestly enjoy having a debate / discussion about these issues but your posts are so lacking in substance that there really isn't anywhere to start. Looking back at your post history since joining a year ago it is pretty clear to me that you have a huge inferiority complex about Canadian and American hockey and you have pretty much defined what being a homer is.

Being married to a Swede and having been to Sweden a number of times all I can really say is thankfully almost no Swede's think like you.

I thought for context it would be interesting to show the subject matter and opinion of your first three posts on HF boards. Congrats for being here almost 1 yr!!


from July 2013....

This must be a troll thread or a big joke.

I don't think Canada's A team is the team to beat in Sochi. The goalies are too weak.


Sweden's A team is superior the Canadian B-team. Sweden A is more balanced than Canada's A-team too.

Canada's depth isn't that superior than the other top teams as they want to believe it is.

it is. Sweden don't have any weaknesses in the team. But Canada has one big weakness and it's the goaltending. No one of Canada's goalies is even close to Lundqvist's level.

Defense is close to equal. Canada has the advantage in offense but it's not that big to make up the difference in goalies. Especially not on big ice. I rather have the Sedins on big ice than Crosby bad Stamkos.

It's the same for all top teams.

From the swedish gold medal team to the olympic camp.

G: Jonas Enroth
D: Erik Gustafsson, Henrik Tallinder and Alexander Edler. Edler didn't even play a whole game since he was suspended.
F: 7 players

As you can see Canada isn't the only team to not have their best players in WCH. Canada always are saying that they can have two or three teams that can compete for gold. But when they do bad as they do right now in WCH they bring up excuses as their best players are in PO and WCH don't mean anything. There's no excuses Canada. If you have that much depth as you are talking about then you shouldn't missed out from the medal rounds 4 years in row.

and your NA bashing has continued on almost without stopping, except for the 2 months you didn't post anything after the Olympics.

 

[The Bad Guy*]

And that wraps this up!!

Well done K-man.

 

[Lollipop]

Actually, you can't prove it, and you know it. Hence your refusal. If you were concerned about wasting time, you wouldn't spend time embarrassing yourself like this and would just prove your point.

You can start to prove that NHL referees are the best in the world.

I will not prove anything to you before you can take away your homer glasses.

I can't see them because they aren't there. That also happens to be the reason you refuse to point them out.

I can't see the prove that NHL referees are the best in the world.

I already said this twice for you, but I guess that is not enough. Look at the level of officiating in the Olympics with NHL referees, and then look at the level of officiating in the World Championships. The Olympics is consistently higher.

I have look at them many times. And no NHL referees aren't any better. Only Canadians think so.

Why would I care if people want that? I couldn't care less if people want 7 (why 7? I have no idea but I will go with it) Canadian referees in the finals or not. In fact, I would rather have referees from a different country officiate the final game if they were proven at that level. Many Canadians, Don Cherry included, did not want Canadian referees. The fact is that the Canadian (NHL) referees in the Olympic gold medal games have always done a tremendous job, even in the three games that featured Canada. I'm also glad to know that you speak for Karlsson and Kronwall, even when your own statements contradict things they have actually said. Congratulations on that.

You said to me that I should make a poll here? If I do it then why not you? Why should I care more if people in here think it should be 7 Canadian refs or not?

Here's the problem. You Canadians are saying you will rather have referees from other countries if they good enough. But when will the other countries have their say? As long NHL and Canada give their ultimatum to IIHF with our referees or else no NHL players in olympics then the other countries will never get their chance. Canada will always say our referees are do much better and they deserves to be in the major games.no matter if they are really best or not.you are saying your referees are best in the world. Fine. But you are Canadian and you are hardly objective. Now if KHL, SHL ect are allowed to decide the referees as NHL and Canada do you really that we will see a whole Canadian referee staff in the olympic gold medal game? I don't think so.

There are American NHL referees. Where were they during the final? But no, Canada want their referees. So stop to say you want referees from other countries because you clearly don't.

Nowdays World cup and Olympics are pure crap. All teams should have their say not only you precious Canada.

 

[Lollipop]

I'd honestly enjoy having a debate / discussion about these issues but your posts are so lacking in substance that there really isn't anywhere to start. Looking back at your post history since joining a year ago it is pretty clear to me that you have a huge inferiority complex about Canadian and American hockey and you have pretty much defined what being a homer is.

Being married to a Swede and having been to Sweden a number of times all I can really say is thankfully almost no Swede's think like you.

I thought for context it would be interesting to show the subject matter and opinion of your first three posts on HF boards. Congrats for being here almost 1 yr!!


from July 2013....






and your NA bashing has continued on almost without stopping, except for the 2 months you didn't post anything after the Olympics.

And what about Canada's (USA) bashing of the other teams? Ohhhhhhhg, we are number # 1. We should have our referees in all major games.

Canadian fans like you are the most cocky and arrogant fans in the world. Not strange that people hate Canada so much.

How was it now? USA and Canada would dominate Olympics and European teams will not have any chance? Like every best on best?

 

[Mr Kanadensisk]

And what about Canada's bashing of the other teams? Ohhhhhhhg, we are number # 1. We should have our referees in all major games.

Canadian fans like you are the most cocky and arrogant fans in the world. Not strange that people hate Canada so much.

Canada is #1 in hockey because we have far and away the most people playing the sport (exc. USA), and that volume of people obviously gives us a big advantage and saying that is not bashing anyone else. You might hate Canadians, men jag älskar sverige, and I don't think you represent anyone but yourself.

 

[Get North]

You can start to prove that NHL referees are the best in the world.

I will not prove anything to you before you can take away your homer glasses.

Nowdays World cup and Olympics are pure crap. All teams should have their say not only you precious Canada.

You're looking like a fool. You made a point but never backed it up and now you're still going on. You have no proof, that's the truth and you tried to get around a false point hoping nobody catches you now you've been caught and you're in a hole.

You hate Canada don't you?

 

[stv11]

No need to keep this going...